Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

a reply to: peaceinoutz

...Many were talking about the downtime was due to all kinds of gov censorship theories, which I found comical. Here’s a site that went down and if you weren’t an ATS member you’d have never heard of it.

Yep and it was all explained away : www.abovetopsecret.com...

BTW, what do you know or have you heard through these years of this thread of anything about TTSA knowing about this thread… Consequently, any kind of feedback from them or their admirers?

They probably are but what do they care? We aren't the target audience. The Cult of Zondo and the Disclosure Bros of the Twitsphere are their domain. The fanboys and girls out there who will just keep on hoping forever. It's nearly 5 years since Zondo first appeared and told us all ..."the phenomenon is indeed real". Which is vague, like most of the things he says.

If you go back to the first page of this thread. Written before the 3 amigos left TTSA, I said...

.... many of those who still believe will be believing in another year and then another decade. Long after TTSA has vanished with the money. Waiting for the US government to disclose...

Two years on they're still waiting.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: mirageman

This has just been posted out there



ufotrail.blogspot.com... =1

Did you read about the dinobeavers?

a reply to: mirageman

Did you read about the dinobeavers?

Cough.

a reply to: Baablacksheep


The face is too fat for a beaver, it's a baby bear

Seriously, what was also interesting on that site was the James Carrion YouTube about NICAP.

For some reason, it won't embed. You could access it on the link but here it is below also.


www.youtube.com...

a reply to: peaceinoutz

The face is too fat for a beaver, it's a baby bear

I don't think we will get bogged down re the finer details.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: peaceinoutz

The face is too fat for a beaver, it's a baby bear

I don't think we will get bogged down re the finer details.

THAT’S A BEAR GOD_____T
/Facetious

But as a living fable or lesson to us…

As an analogy humans kill over disputes over whether that’s a beaver or a bear
At least in ufology, they haven’t gone that far… yet

Then after killing each other and deciding it’s a beaver then they fight over whether it’s a communist or capitalist beaver

Getting back to mm's Zondo's angry man post, the second letter is very angry and threatening.

First of all, who sues the government and wins? And can one sue a government employee who works under the authority of a government agency...Like Ms. Gough?

Also, it may be that some of this has to do with confidential things or secrets the Dod doesn't want to be aired in public.

And, in the quote below, what is he going to do with congress to redress his gripes?

Maybe Zondo for his own good ought to back off threatening the department of defense. Of course, he should know if he's out of bounds

Here's the link
www.theblackvault.com...

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Lue hired Dan Sheehan as his lawyer (no stranger to UFO gurus) and made a complaint to the Inspector General of the DoD.

A Pentagon whistleblower known for speaking out about UFOs is accusing his former agency of waging a disinformation campaign against him, a report says.

Luis Elizondo, who headed the Pentagon’s now-defunct Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program, lodged a complaint with the defense department’s inspector general claiming malicious activities, professional misconduct and other offenses at the agency, according to Politico.

He said one senior-level official went so far as to threaten to tell people he was crazy, potentially jeopardizing his security clearance. “I responded … by telling him that he can take any action he thinks is prudently necessary, but that I was not mentally impaired, nor have I ever violated my security oath,” Elizondo wrote, adding he feared retribution by the official.

....

The inspector general’s office did not give Politico details on the status of Elizondo’s complaint, though his legal team said he would be meeting with IG investigators in June.

In the complaint, Elizondo also accused the defense department’s press arm of trying to discredit him through misleading comments....

Full story (archive) The Guardian

That was all 9 months or more ago. I don't know where the case stands at the moment.

Lue also appeared on the Old lady of Ufology's YT channel recently.



Anyone want to take one for the team and report back on this?

I find her to be one of the most irritatingly annoying people in ufology. Probably paid disinfo and now bat# crazy.

a reply to: mirageman

whistleblower

Such nonsense.

If one's employer is not breaking the law, this term does not apply.

Just because my boss doesn't want to share his recipe for Hungarian goulash,
and I'm determined that he does; that doesn't mean it makes sense to take it
to court.

What's even more silly, is if the employer doesn't even HAVE such a recipe,
but I'm determined to prove that he does.

Utter bollocks.

a reply to: mirageman

Thanks for that link.
Sheehan is a decent guy a little flaky maybe.
On this issue, I could have been on his side but in that Pentagon Book, Reed says, if memory serves, ATTIP was a made-up term to distract the Congress from AAWSAP.

Also, calling him a whistleblower, IMO is bad journalism.

That was all 9 months or more ago. I don't know where the case stands at the moment.
Lue also appeared on the Old lady of Ufology's YT channel recently.

Zondo is probably just blowing smoke. He's not going to sue anyone on this. Talk about blowing his confidentiality agreement.

Ironic that zondo whines about the DOD discrediting him when he discredits himself with his BS stories and affiliation with the TTSA.

You would have to be a moron not to see zondo as a charlatan more interested in promoting himself than "disclosure"!

Actually I think he's a shill, still under contract for some 3letter styled agency that is also looking for information, like we all are.

a reply to: mirageman

I find her to be one of the most irritatingly annoying people in ufology. Probably paid disinfo and now bat# crazy.

The comment section in that video is full of praise.

I have zero tolerance when it comes to Linda and as far as Lue goes, no comment.

I thought Linda Moulton Howe was rich, her cats and cosmetic surgery are very expensive but I see she doesn't know what Champagne is, she put ice on it.
But I have a doubt, do Americans put ice in wine?
For Italians and French this is absurd ...

originally posted by: gippo888
I thought Linda Moulton Howe was rich, her cats and cosmetic surgery are very expensive but I see she doesn't know what Champagne is, she put ice on it.
But I have a doubt, do Americans put ice in wine?
For Italians and French this is absurd ...

First of all, Americans put anything in anything

Secondly, Linda, it seems with her champaign glasses and toasts is becoming the Martha Steward of Ufology.

Thirdly, Lue’s rap is pretty slick; he knows how to avoid questions with all that syrupy praise for Ms. Howe. Since he at least isn’t ready to buy into her well-known alien/ET dogma that Ms. Howe espouses.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Thirdly, Lue’s rap is pretty slick; he knows how to avoid questions with all that syrupy praise for Ms. Howe

He is very slick, but he should give up the never ending third rate podcasts , if only to give us poor suckers a break.

It will also be a wonderful day in ufology when Linda finally retires away from it all too.

Back to Zondo. It seems he has seen a UFO .

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
First of all, Americans put anything in anything
Secondly, Linda, it seems with her champaign glasses and toasts is becoming the Martha Steward of Ufology.
Thirdly, Lue’s rap is pretty slick; he knows how to avoid questions with all that syrupy praise for Ms. Howe. Since he at least isn’t ready to buy into her well-known alien/ET dogma that Ms. Howe espouses.

We also have ufologists like Linda but, fortunately, nobody knows them ...
Yes, Zondo was very skilled

One thing you see first is Lou’s patronizing words about her subscribers (a bird told him) as if that’s a hard thing to see since all one has to do is look at her YouTube page and it's for all to see, her number of subscribers.

No big thing, just Lou being unctuous.


It seems, listening to Linda, that her interest is espousing her own bizarre unproven exotic ufo theories and getting Zondo to approve them.

Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with any exotic theories AS LONG AS the espousers say IT’S A THEORY, not speak as if it is fact, like this lady and many others do.

Zondo has NEVER as I known accepted any degree of theories that Linda cult-like adheres to.

In this case, Zondo is the sober researcher, and Linda to me is the problematic cultist.

So, here I commend Zondo for not falling into her bizarreness. And it's no problem being civil and friendly but Howe is a cultist ufologist IMO espousing these crazy ET theories one might see in AA or books by Michael Salla…all unproven theories.

There have been legitimate UFO incidents about nuclear plants but all this 2 million-year-old ET nonsense is unproven cult-like dogma.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

I've long suspected that her career as a real journalist ended when Richard Doty met her, showed her some faked documents about aliens interfering with Earth, and promised her some UFO footage for her next documentary. That footage was never forthcoming. Her TV contract lapsed and Linda never got to make the documentary. Yet to this day she still recalls the details of the document Doty gave her and recites it as gospel truth.

After that I think she was recruited to spread disinformation by some group or agency.

Whenever she's pinned down (which is rarely) or gets nervous about a question she launches into a lengthy monologue about her career. I've heard her do it a number of times going back years.

She even did it once on the 'Linda friendly' Jimmy Church show. Jimmy mentioned he'd heard there were people in ufology paid to spread disinformation. Not accusing Linda directly or even indirectly.Yet off she went for 15 minutes listing her career again. Until the point was lost and the show moved on to another of her stories. Probably SERPO or something.

As for Zondo. He has his own agenda.But while there are millions of dumb people out there, unable to check facts for themselves, then they will continue to be exploited financially and mentally by charlatans.

a reply to: mirageman

As for Zondo. He has his own agenda.But while there are millions of dumb people out there, unable to check facts for themselves, then they will continue to be exploited financially and mentally by charlatans.

It's one vicious circle MM. But I don't give Linda the time of day and I'm not jumping up and down with joy listening to Zondo either at this point. I have also seen how the one Rendlesham witness reacts re Linda and it's very bad indeed.

Nuff said.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

It seems, listening to Linda, that her interest is espousing her own bizarre unproven exotic ufo theories and getting Zondo to approve them.

That's the norm in this field, right? Unless you have the nonattachment of Buddha?

Even scientists push scientism.

I've been thinking of writing a paper on it.

Really, obsession with one UFO model is like what occultists do, when they create
a compete inner world, that they they then use to perform 'magic'.