Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Shocking. If Zondo ever looks in we better hope the man has humour.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Any good intelligence operative should be able to get away
with claiming they are having sex with your spouse and you
still think "they are a good guy". I magine he'd be fine.

That said, seveal of the high-profile researchers I knew,
view 'internet gutter rats' like us as not worthy of
having a discussion with.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You made me smile re the gutter rat comment Kev.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You made me smile re the gutter rat comment Kev.

it wasn't hyperbole. It was a quote.

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This has caused much controversy and hate amongst the sub-genius members of the Cult of Lue.



Yet he is the source of many of the untruths and contradictory statements that are highlighted in this documentary. Much of it is covered across this thread and its predecessors.

If you can spare 45 mins then it's worth the watch.

If you can't then it paints a picture of how a group of ageing woosters hijacked a "future weapons study" for their own ends. When the Pentagon started to get twitchy about how it appeared they were frittering away the money on hunting UFOs, poltergeists and all manner of spooky things instead Harry Reid asked for it to be hidden away as Special Access Program.

Lord Lue meanwhile denied he was part of AWSAP, claimed he was Director of ATIP then he wasn't. So he carried on running an unfunded hobby project with the assistance of alien believing serviceman sending him their spooky reports.

You all know the rest of the story and how he has eventually had to climb down from his claim of being the Director of AATIP until when he filed his complaint last year he even admitted it was all just "an activity".



But disclosure is coming as achievements are measured in the inconsequential volume of conversations people have on social media.

a reply to: mirageman

Thankyou MM. I will make a point of watching this later today.

a reply to: mirageman

What an Exposé!!

Thanks for Sharing………

What a Big Fat Lying Lue


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a reply to: mirageman

MODS?

Could we get this video pinned to the top of the forum?

MM and a couple others (Jack Brewer, John Greenwald) broke this open before
the New York Post did this excellent story.

This is pure denying ignorance, the original charter of ATS.

Kev

Really, I take Leslie Kean's statement as vindicating.

I've been saying since 2013, that 'nuts and bolts ufos' were
the cover story, the 'big con' that was being put forward,
while the 'messy, irrational, impossible to prove supernatural'
was really the 'real thing' to study, the real impetuous of
this all.

And so it was... right from the horses mouth.

And admittely 'those guys' did a terrible job on that
too.. what portion was 'real' and not just BS.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Baablacksheep

Any good intelligence operative should be able to get away
with claiming they are having sex with your spouse and you
still think "they are a good guy".....

Makes me wonder why this report is among those BAASS UAP reports....

Date 21/10/2011, 12:00
City HOMESTEAD 1, BIGELOW RANCH, FT. DUCHESNE
District
UTAH
Country US

Report

Security Guard smells a perfume aroma for 2-3 seconds upon entering the trailer at Homestead 1. .

Catalog Entry: UR-20111021
Local Time: 2:02

Maybe Zondo was there that day?

But if they were classing perfume as an unidentified aerial phenomenon, then I'd like to know what those Bigelow Boys were smoking down on the ranch. Actually that would probably have been masked by the smell of perfume .

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The deception was pretending there was some "threat" to acquire funding to go hunting spooks on the ranch under the guise of a future weaponry study. The problem with it is that Skinwalker Mob seem to think that a lack of evidence is actually evidence of something that has the ability to erase any evidence. When in fact it's just lack of evidence.

Every time I can't find my keys, I don't blame it on a mysterious phenomenon wiping my memory and the government covers it up. But these guys must think everyone else is stupid!

The majority of the suits in the Pentagon didn't want this to get out and become public. How does it look? They are idiots spending money on fringe research of no value, like all the other loony projects down the decades. Nothing to do with defending the nation.

So we have two competing schools of thought. One throwing pigs off a skyscraper in the belief that one of them will eventually fly and the other wondering how someone signed off on this ridiculous pork project.

a reply to: mirageman

my comment about the 'UFO cover story' certain applied
to AAWSAP and people like Leslie Kean.

But I was also pointing to 70 years of 'UFoolOlogy';

What with books, movies and then future media
making it sound 'reaosonable in theory' for UFOs
to exist and to visit us,

that's why those with agendas for other 'beliefs'
and 'actions'

started with 'UFOs'.

'UFOs' are a gateway drug/deception.

Now, you and I have a difference in experience,
which has led to a diffeence in observation about
the so called 'paranormal' and that's quite
understanable.

I never 'believed in UFOs' until one showe up in
my face; but then after reserach, it turned out
to not be a 'UFO' at all.

'UFOs are not UFOs' when they are not just
perceptual errors or government deception;
they are something else.

It's like wood ticks. In my home state the little
monsters are everywhere.. they are like monsters
out of fiction; they can crawl and attach themselves
in any crevice in your body and attach; and if
you remove one, it generally rips it's head off
which remains in said crevice.

Many people have never encoutered them,
or their horrors. They are 'not real' for
those people, no matter how much you
might tell stories about them.

now yes, you can photo wood ticks,
but that doesn't communicate the message
if youve never had one..

I semi-wonder if the swr ranch guys did ANY
of the usual research steps.. and I certainly
wonder if even 10% of their reports are not
pure BS.

But I won't just discount the whole thing;
and there are other, far better cases.

But certainly SWR is a 'poisoned source'.
It's not worth visiting.

Kev

Though some bugs in it, overall, this is a good report mm posted

I’ve been saying what he said at the end for a long time.

Thanks to mm, we here have always been on top of this FAKE--FROM JUMP STREET--STORY.

And I always said this actually all may be an attempt to besmirch ufology when all this comes out.
BTW, folks take the 45 minutes to watch this, it's worth it.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Yeah, he should have a permanent lie detector test attached to him.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I second that.
and an award to mm, Pullitzer or oscar...
oh no not an oscar, Zondo might try to attack mm when he receives his oscar

But...

All this exposition is great.
BUT
We still don’t know two things
WHY
And why TTSA?

I cant buy this was all stupidity or a scheme by Leslie Kean to popularize the ufo meme

a reply to: peaceinoutz

UFOs are a gateway drug for other/future shenanigans.

TTSA/other hucksters never cared about 'real ufos' (if any)
enough to not use known false props.

And why TTSA? It's all in the wikileaks dump. TDL
basically said, "I want to be a useful idiot to help you
indoctrinate the youth for you, and in return, please
feed me 'secrets' about 'life the universe an everything'.

So they did (lie to him that is).. but i bet they wish they hadn't
humor him; it made the USG look more stupid than usual.

I'd also like to bring up another point, that we haven't properly
discussed.

Inside of TTSA were believers of varous 'things' under one big
tent.

Now, it would seem that more 'occulty' things were the
'true beliefs'. I mean, look at Peter Lavena's participaton.

But again, the average citizen or religious citizen of the USA
doesn't want to hear about the 'spooky stuff' that (apparently
from what I know, from knowing several people, that was
the actual core belief in TTSA - the 'spooky').

So you use a cover story -- nuts and bolts UFOs that have
been fake promoted since the late 40's.

Fake cover stories are BOTH great 'gateway drugs' and
a great way to get credulous people to scan the sky
for you, to get free 'enemy uap observers', to cover
black ops testing, etc.

Once you control a person's mind with drivvel.. like
religion does, you largely own them.

One thing that is equally fascinating about UFOlogy
and religion, is that sometimes the 'high deceivers'
are still 'believers' even as they deceive others.

The Bottom Line…..


One thing for sure……..I got to buy Skinwalkers at the Pentagon book 🤓

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Skinwalkers at the Pentagon book

I read it.

I won't write home to mother about it,
but it was a decent read; gave it about a C+
but only because I tend to be a 'completionist'
when it comes to fiction.

The Skinwalkers at the Pentagon book was used in the video as a source for various statements and quotes by various folk involved or allegedly involved with the shenanigans leading up to the grooming of DeLonge and the media offensive of Dec 2017.

But how much do we trust the authors to supply us with factual information?

Knapp is the PR man; Kelleher the Pseduo-Scientist for the Vegas UFO Mob. The other 'author' being a rather odd character who appeared and disappeared overnight. Gave a single interview with his co-author and his story of how ASSWAP came to be sounds absolute bollocks.