Numbers Don't Lie

originally posted by: av8r007

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Since your percentages are wrong does that mean that numbers do lie?

Do you know how to calculate percentage? It's the smaller number divided by the larger number, these numbers are so big so they can produce calculator errors... I've rounded these numbers to the ten thousandth. The actual percentages go on repeating on and on, so these are huge huge numbers, but just in the world of percentages so it's really small... I actually was incorrect in one thing... these numbers aren't "thousandths" (0.000) but actually "ten thousandths."

You may suffer from a common core education, here is a link to help you understand how percentages and numbers places work....

www.coolmath.com...

If you are going to try and insult people education it's a good idea to check your own workings, or in this case your understanding of basic maths.

You have forgotten a basic step in calculating a percentage.

My education wasnt in the US which is maybe how I know how to do percentages.

originally posted by: av8r007
I have always wondered what the death rates are relative to the population of host countries for COVID so after reading on my town's local FB all the hysteria as it relates to COVID and decided to do some math (I tried sharing the truth in there and let me tell you was not worth it, the level of brainwashing by the media is total and complete, they are convinced we are all doomed from COVID... it's kind of sad). So here are the real numbers from this site per country, it's an entire scattergraph of data, so it's good stuff and is recent as of July 24, 2020... so let's do a little math problem and see who really had COVID the worse relative to their populations...

ourwor ldindata.org

USA: 144,000 deaths / 331,000,000 population = 0.0004%
Mexico: 41,908 deaths / 128,930,000 population = 0.0003%
UK: 45,554 deaths / 67,890,000 population = 0.0006%
Spain: 28,429 deaths / 46,750,000 population = 0.0006%
Italy: 35,092 / 60,460,000 population = 0.0005%

So as we can see in all of the world's hardest hit countries by COVID they all have a relative equal death rate, somewhere between 0.0003% to 0.0006%. We shut down economies over that, we killed even more people than the virus itself over these percentages... our media relentlessly attacks the President of the US as if he has done something much worse than any other country, when relatively speaking we have lower death rates than these smaller countries with more than less, half our population... some of them are only a quarter of our population. This just goes to show how powerful the media has become that a virus with a 0.0004% (that's thousandths) has caused the mass hysteria, panic, and chaos we have seen. The numbers do not lie: COVID IS NOT DANGEROUS TO THE AVERAGE PERSON!

There I said it and feel better. We have had the wool pulled over our eyes this time, TPTB got us good and we need to keep sharing this with everyone we know until the masses realize what has been done to us. I am double, tripling, quadrupling down, COVID-19 is a scam and it is not that dangerous to the general population.... it's all b.s. after running the numbers 5-6 months down the line in the "pandemic" I think its safe to say it's time to come out of our jail cells now (our homes) and take off our gags (masks).

To get your numbers to percentages, multiply by 100. Still only between 0.03-0.06%. Still a scam, I agree. COVID not even in the top 10 highest causes of death in the US.

a reply to: olaru12

Cognitive dissonance... the idea is so horrifying that we've been lied to on this scale that you are attempting to reject reality. Seriously

a reply to: panoz77

Wrong! That's not what we are calculating... 0.06 = 6%. That would mean that 19,680,000 people died. That's just incorrect.

328,000,000 = 100%
3,280,000 = 1%
144,000 = 0.0004%

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: gortex

so the numbers in the OP are wrong? if not, why don't you have criticism for all the other nations? You just like to focus on the orange guy?

I don't think it will be the covid that brings down the orange trump. I will be the economy...it's on the brink of crashing.

People are buying Ag&Au in a panic. I think I'll sell out and just move where there isn't the possibility of civil war and / or anarchy.

I'm much to old to boogaloo....

Please do, don't forget to send a postcard. Your fear porn regarding the economy is silly, so is your supposed claim of panic buying of gold and silver. We're not like your actor friends, we won't take what you say as gospel. Don't you have any other plays in your playbook?

Can you dispute the OP's numbers? At all?

originally posted by: av8r007
a reply to: panoz77

Wrong! That's not what we are calculating... 0.06 = 6%. That would mean that 19,680,000 people died. That's just incorrect.

Yes point .06 is 6%, .0006 is.06%.

Your maths is wrong.

a reply to: ScepticScot

It's not wrong. 4% of 1% died.

www.google.com...

originally posted by: av8r007
a reply to: ScepticScot

It's not wrong. 4% of 1% died.

Let's make this simple.

If you divide 10 by 100 you get 0.1.

Do you think 10 is 0.1% of 100?

To calculate the deaths per capita as a percentage you divide deaths by population and multiply by 100.

a reply to: ScepticScot

I know you think you're right and in some cases you do multiply by 100 but that's on larger scales, this is looking at a tiny percentage of a percentage, which is expressed at .0004% meaning 4% of 1%. You are not correct on this one, because multiplying 0.0004 by 100 gives you 0.04 which means 4% where I'm from and that would equate to ~14,000,000 dead in this case, so that's how I know what you are saying is incorrect. We are expressing percentage of a percentage until you get that, you'll continue to say the wrong thing about multiplying by 100.

originally posted by: av8r007
a reply to: ScepticScot

I know you think you're right and in some cases you do multiply by 100 but that's on larger scales, this is looking at a tiny percentage of a percentage, which is expressed at .0004% meaning 4% of 1%. You are not correct on this one, because multiplying 0.0004 by 100 gives you 0.04 which means 4% where I'm from and that would equate to ~14,000,000 dead in this case, so that's how I know what you are saying is incorrect. We are expressing percentage of a percentage until you get that, you'll continue to say the wrong thing about multiplying by 100.

No calculating percentages does not change depending on the size of numbers.

.0004 and .0004% are different numbers (unsurprisingly by a factor of ten).

Assuming the deaths and cases reported are not faked up 😎

a reply to: ScepticScot

.0004% means 4% of 1% if .01 = 1% adding two decimal places means we are doing .04 of .01.

331,000,000 x 0.0004 (4 hundreths of 1%) = 132,400 (the difference between 144,000 and 132,400 is a rounding error on these scales)
331,000,000 x 0.004 (4 tenths of 1%) = 1,324,000
331,000,000 x 0.04 (4%) = 13,240,000
331,000,000 x 0.40 (40%) = 132,400,000

You're trying to convert 4 thousandths of 1% into a percentage by multiplying it by 100. That's where you're wrong.

clearly fake..... thats why the US is on a travel ban for most of the world......thats a great way to make America great again *sigh*

a reply to: av8r007

While I agree with your intent I disagree with your numbers. It's misleading to use an entire counties population to make an accurate statement about the lethality of a pathogen.

New York City helps give you a better view of it.

While the stated "confirmed cases" in the city is down at 220 thousand something, ANTIBODY testing of it citizens show AT LEAST 25% percent of the population has SARS-Covid2 antibodies. Some clinics reporting rates of 68%, suggesting there are parts of the city approaching "herd immunity" which is generally 70% the population.

The best (most accurate) estimate of antibody rates in New York City, comparing clinic data, is around 35%.

So we will use that.

The confirmed death total is 22,934. To be fair there are 5,100 suspected deaths as well, bringing the total to 28,034 fatalities.

Maths:

Population: 8,398,748
Infections: 2,939,562
Fatalities: 28,034

New York City has a SARS-Covid2 mortality rate of 0.75 - 0.96%, depending if you include "suspected" deaths.

Data everywhere seems to all put the actual mortality rate below 1%. Other estimates (suggesting NYC herd immunity) puts the fatality rate as low as 0.35% of the Population.

A 3X deadlier seasonal flu.

a reply to: av8r007

To make it even easier use a calculator and multiply the US population by .1 and note the answer.

The multiply the US population by .1% and note the different answer.

a reply to: ScepticScot

.1 = 10% that would equal 33,100,000. I don't think you understand decimal places honestly.

originally posted by: av8r007
a reply to: ScepticScot

.1 = 10% that would equal 33,100,000. I don't think you understand decimal places honestly.

You seem to be in need of this

www.dummies.com...

originally posted by: av8r007
a reply to: ScepticScot

.1 = 10% that would equal 33,100,000. I don't think you understand decimal places honestly.

So you get that .1 equals 10% but you think .0004 equals .0004%?

a reply to: ScepticScot

You're trying to math geek the fact that the virus is not that dangerous. What I am saying is that 4 hundreths of 1% of the country died from coronavirus and it does not justify the economic, social, and well-being of the US being destroyed. Sorry my practical calculation got derailed by some very anal math geek terms, however my point stands this virus will kill 4% of 1% of the population.

The numbers I would like to see presented on a graph would compare the percentage of people who wear masks and follow the Covid guidelines and how it has changed over time, and the number of cases/deaths. I suspect that they both follow roughly the same curve, which would suggest that the masks are basically useless and only meant to placate the population and convince them that somebody is "doing something" about the outbreak.

I know I'm probably biased, because I wore the mask and followed the guidelines and ended up with non-Covid pneumonia anyway. And if it couldn't stop ordinary pneumonia, it ain't going to really stop Covid, either.

I would also like to see business owners shut up about blaming the people who don't wear masks for having their businesses shut down because of an outbreak wave. If the masks don't work anyway, they're being the a-holes by blaming the victims, namely all of us.