Numbers Don't Lie

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Thenail

Can you stop that you supporter of globalism ?

No I can't stop that nor am I a supporter of globalism but these deaths were largely preventable and could have been lessened if appropriate action had been taken.

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Since the numbers seem to be pretty equal across the world, what do you think could have set us apart? I'd like to hear your Monday morning opinion on Sunday's game.

So are you of the opinion that if we HADN'T taken steps to quarantine and mask-up (as pathetic as that was executed) that the economy would have just hummed along unaffected? That a bunch of sick and old people would have died but everything else would be functioning as it had been? How about all the people that are/were hospitalized? We've been tracking upward (incrementally increasing) since early June and are currently running at a rate of about 2,500 hospitalizations/day which is increasing daily. Our current situation is AFTER some effort was made to quarantine/mask. You think if none of that effort was made the numbers would be the same? If the current hospitalization rate doesn't continue to increase (as it has been) and remains what it was yesterday (2,500), there will be an additional 402,000 hospitalizations by year's end. What do you think would happen to the economy when workers are falling ill at that rate? And keep in mind, this is based on the CURRENT situation where some effort toward mitigation. If nothing had been done -- as you suggest -- the situation would be geometrically worse. People aren't going to go to work when everyone around them is falling ill. Look at the situation with teachers. You're not looking at the entire picture with you selective use of numbers. No, numbers don't lie but used incorrectly they can lead to incorrect conclusions.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Thenail

Can you stop that you supporter of globalism ?

No I can't stop that nor am I a supporter of globalism but these deaths were largely preventable and could have been lessened if appropriate action had been taken.

No they frickin weren't, stop with the bollocks lad. The results are pretty clear, we shut down the ENTIRE PLANET and now lots of economies are in dire straits which, of course, means that the elderly and vulnerable are now in fact more vulnerable because, guess what? There is no remedy to this sh**.

Quick question: Did you lose your job? I lost mine, my brother lost his, quite a few friends lost theirs. My mother can't get a doctor's visit even though she has chronic diverticulitis on top of vascular dementia and oh!!! Just for the icing on the cake, she had to pay for an mri scan that the NHS had TOLD HER TO GET URGENTLY but it was cancelled in March and she was getting more and more worried because her sister died of the same thing just last year.

Shut down the frickin planet!

a reply to: av8r007

Great job researching!

Fact: 99.96% of us will die from something other than covid-19 at some point.

a reply to: NightVision

We can't trust the CDC for anything. Some of that is their fault and some of it isn't.

The main problem with the CDC is two fold. One they are a government agency staffed with Public Sector Union employees. Their Unions have already come out against Trump and are firmly in the Democrats back pocket. That's one of the reasons that the responsibility for compiling the statistics has gone to Health and Human Services.
The second reason is that they are / were getting outside funding from people who have a vested interest in producing a vaccine for COVID.

The reason that some of it isn't their fault is that they are getting their data from State Departments of health, instead of the direct reporting that it used to be. (this comes from a County Coroner who told me about the change)
Some of these States have an interest in this. Some of it is Political and some is Financial. My State, Pennsylvania has both. Our Governor has pretty much stated that he wants Trump out of office. At the same time, he wants to keep the State of Emergency going as long as possible to keep getting Federal funding. Other States are the same way. So you can't trust the numbers that they are getting from there.

Our State has gone so far as to have changed the metrics that they are measuring to prolong the panic.

Has anybody else noticed that all of the numbers put out are cumulative going back to March? When you dig around enough you find the percentage of cured cases. Today the State of Pennsylvania reports 105,571 cases (cumulative back to March) with 75% cured. This leaves 26,393 cases. Take that 26,393 and divide it by 12.8 million (state population) and you get 0.0020 or .2% Doesn't sound like much, does it?

One last thing I saw it mentioned that we are currently at the normal death rate for deaths of all causes.

originally posted by: NightVision

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Thenail

Can you stop that you supporter of globalism ?

No I can't stop that nor am I a supporter of globalism but these deaths were largely preventable and could have been lessened if appropriate action had been taken.

Trump shuts down the border = racist

Trump keeps border open = incompetent

Which one is it?

Neither , it has little to do with the border but much to do with someone who downplayed the danger and now is being led by events.

originally posted by: gortex
Neither , it has little to do with the border but much to do with someone who downplayed the danger and now is being led by events.

Male cow feces.
Trump could save two toddlers from being mauled by a tiger and the headline would read "Trump Cruel to Animals! Steals Their Food!"

a reply to: jtma508

I'd like to thank you. Your consistent manner of posting personifies what I believe the left to be. Based on how little anyone from the left disagrees with you, I can only surmise that your opinion is somewhat universal. But I can always count on understanding the left's perspective by your posts.

a reply to: gortex

so the numbers in the OP are wrong? if not, why don't you have criticism for all the other nations? You just like to focus on the orange guy?

originally posted by: gortex

Lies , Damn lies and statistics.
They may not matter to you but each one of those 144,000 deaths matter to the people who have lost anyone in that number , their percentage of the population makes no difference.

No doubt if there was a Democrat in the big chair those 144,000 deaths would be a bigger deal.

How is your post here any different than some hyperbole of "you just want to kill grandma!"

originally posted by: gortex
Neither , it has little to do with the border but much to do with someone who downplayed the danger and now is being led by events.

I agree don't down play the dangers, BUT also don't up play them either... That up play has had some serious significant negative effects... Much of the up play has lead to some serious consequences that were not needed, and the numbers wouldn't be much different if we did more or less. That is how a virus works...you can slow it down some BUT you will get it sooner or later and if your later is after a vaccine then good luck on that anytime in the near future. Well at least then we can complain on how many people the vaccine kills.

a reply to: network dude

ND listen... some things are subjective. But the 'numbers play' is not. If you're honest, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, you can recall the posts about COVID back in Feb/Mar. How wrong were those folks? This is a historic event on the scale of the Great Depression and the 1918 Flu (which, BTW, originated in the USA not in Spain). Yea, we've all suffered mightily as a result and unfortunately we're not nearly done with the suffering --- economic or otherwise. But to think we could have skipped the lock-downs and everything would have been hunky-dory (except for a few hundred thousand old and sickly people) is just plain stupid. Those epidemiology models that were savaged here back in Feb/Mar are proving to have been very accurate. They projected ~300k deaths if moderate mitigation efforts wee implemented. At the current rate we''ll hit that.

a reply to: gortex
Ok, where has your heartfelt compassion been every year of your life as the same number of people in the exact same vulnerable demographic succumbed to respiratory illness every year you have existed??

You say you never knew that was the number of average annual passing from respiratory illness until operation hypocondriac successfully terrorized your heart mind and the hearts and minds of the rest of the world by way of admitted bilderberg plans of weaponised media??

No your going to pretend that this already confirmed misrepresentation of dead is a completely new phenomenon despite having lived with this virus in circulation of the human race the entirety of human existence for everyone alive on earth??

It would be a miracle in fact to find a human being in any non rural environment at least thirty years of age who have never had a corona virus. And the reason it was never bothered to be tested for in mass especially is because it either has little to no significant adverse health effects outside of the common cold.

But despite many medical sources attempting to explain just that, everyone keeps reaching for the fear and terror to consume. Lets put it in a very simple manner.

Despite the hysterics in reporting every case without proper context in a sensationalized manned for the sake of mass psychological terror and intimidation, life carries on normally for those districts not under attack by domestic terrorists over rrunning in communities abandoned by their pathetic leadership and open for business. Despite the hype in reporting using wording like "so and so state ravaged by x number of new cases", the population is just fine.

The merchandise is still delivered because nobody is dying en masse. The same employees are working at the same jobs, the same drivers are delivering goods and moving busses. The only way for such drastic measures like mandatory masks and shut down economies to be even remotely justified were if people in yoyr day to day life just started to disappear. Because thise disappearances woukd mean they are dying. But nobody is disappearing.

Itz sick that the house made that 600$ a week unemployment benefit for the sole purpose of gathering and shipping the bums and criminals to sp'ecific jurisdictions for the sake of violent criminal activity and terrorism.

This time, btw they are using box trucks and vans to move around the people more discreetly as opposed to the buses we saw in 2016. Not to mention that many of them are simply renting vehicles easily thanks to the 2400$ a month for rioting instead of working.

In my city tampa, the one night of rioting we had led to several arsons. One of these was a champs shoes store. The culprit waz caught in new York. That means that he traveled from locked down new York to Florida for the sole purpose of violent action.

That is one of the nastiest tricks of this covert op viral Intel deception. Shut down cities, use the excuse of not working to funnel a bunch of money to willing violent criminals, and then ship them to non-aligned districts to commit more acts of terror while reporting them as peaceful protesters.

News flash, when your throwing objects, missiles, committing assault, arson and hate crimes you are not peacefully protesting.

Despite actions showing the less than lethal nature of this virus based on simple observation of daily life as well as medical profesionals and institutions tryong to explain just that, instead you search and ywarn for the fear and terror iinstead.

That is what is pathetic.

originally posted by: av8r007
I have always wondered what the death rates are relative to the population of host countries for COVID so after reading on my town's local FB all the hysteria as it relates to COVID and decided to do some math (I tried sharing the truth in there and let me tell you was not worth it, the level of brainwashing by the media is total and complete, they are convinced we are all doomed from COVID... it's kind of sad). So here are the real numbers from this site per country, it's an entire scattergraph of data, so it's good stuff and is recent as of July 24, 2020... so let's do a little math problem and see who really had COVID the worse relative to their populations...

ourwor ldindata.org

USA: 144,000 deaths / 331,000,000 population = 0.0004%
Mexico: 41,908 deaths / 128,930,000 population = 0.0003%
UK: 45,554 deaths / 67,890,000 population = 0.0006%
Spain: 28,429 deaths / 46,750,000 population = 0.0006%
Italy: 35,092 / 60,460,000 population = 0.0005%

So as we can see in all of the world's hardest hit countries by COVID they all have a relative equal death rate, somewhere between 0.0003% to 0.0006%. We shut down economies over that, we killed even more people than the virus itself over these percentages... our media relentlessly attacks the President of the US as if he has done something much worse than any other country, when relatively speaking we have lower death rates than these smaller countries with more than less, half our population... some of them are only a quarter of our population. This just goes to show how powerful the media has become that a virus with a 0.0004% (that's thousandths) has caused the mass hysteria, panic, and chaos we have seen. The numbers do not lie: COVID IS NOT DANGEROUS TO THE AVERAGE PERSON!

There I said it and feel better. We have had the wool pulled over our eyes this time, TPTB got us good and we need to keep sharing this with everyone we know until the masses realize what has been done to us. I am double, tripling, quadrupling down, COVID-19 is a scam and it is not that dangerous to the general population.... it's all b.s. after running the numbers 5-6 months down the line in the "pandemic" I think its safe to say it's time to come out of our jail cells now (our homes) and take off our gags (masks).

Since your percentages are wrong does that mean that numbers do lie?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: gortex

so the numbers in the OP are wrong? if not, why don't you have criticism for all the other nations? You just like to focus on the orange guy?

I don't think it will be the covid that brings down the orange trump. I will be the economy...it's on the brink of crashing.

People are buying Ag&Au in a panic. I think I'll sell out and just move where there isn't the possibility of civil war and / or anarchy.

I'm much to old to boogaloo....

a reply to: jtma508
If this terrorist operation by the media had never went into play, the tds and impeachment would have been the only thing on the air it had been for years. But even that had failed, which is why you saw finally the top dogs of the old cabal reach for the only weapon they had left. Weaponise the media into a terrorist propoganda machine in hopes this what yoy have seen now for three months is what will finally help them retake power.

But you can see how horribly it has actually failed. Even the pathetic leaders enabling thia operation in their city have pretty much ended their careers by being disavowed by the people they try to join during the hostilities amd have zero hope of reelection.

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: NightVision

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Thenail

Can you stop that you supporter of globalism ?

No I can't stop that nor am I a supporter of globalism but these deaths were largely preventable and could have been lessened if appropriate action had been taken.

Trump shuts down the border = racist

Trump keeps border open = incompetent

Which one is it?

Neither , it has little to do with the border but much to do with someone who downplayed the danger and now is being led by events.

You said the same thing before.
Previous response still fits.

What you're suggesting is that health officers, doctors, committed mapractice in failing to act. They had the same information as Trump and Fauci about the virus. Health officers have very broad powers during a public health emergency. They have them because they are supposed to be competent. They aren't just waiting for orders. They make the orders.

It's fine to say Trump is an idiot, but this isn't just stupid political stuff. This is people obligated to act like autonomous professionals and those responsibilities don't get excused by the actions of another even if it's the POTUS.

I don't think they should have acted to impose more restrictions earlier. If you do then it's an indictment against the health officers in local and state positions. You may want to consider the implications of your accusations. If the response was a failure at local levels then you can't assign blame without most of it landing on those given the power to act.

originally posted by: olaru12
I have a new campaign slogan for trump to assure he wins the WH once again.

"Hey, it wasn't that bad"

So what you're saying is you have nothing relevant to add to the thread AND you get yet another slam against Trump. Two points for you.

On the grand scale with over seven billion people on earth and what was it - 1.5 million infected with Covid19? At this time it seems to me that all world leaders should have looked at the manner in which the Spanish Flu was handled without all the fear porn. That was, if I remember correctly, a noval virus too and no one had any idea at first how to stop it. Unless there were millions of masks available from WW1, I don't see how they could possibly have had that many on hand so it would have taken a while to ramp up then as well.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Since your percentages are wrong does that mean that numbers do lie?

Do you know how to calculate percentage? It's the smaller number divided by the larger number, these numbers are so big so they can produce calculator errors... I've rounded these numbers to the ten thousandth. The actual percentages go on repeating on and on, so these are huge huge numbers, but just in the world of percentages so it's really small... I actually was incorrect in one thing... these numbers aren't "thousandths" (0.000) but actually "ten thousandths" (0.0000).

You may suffer from a common core education, here is a link to help you understand how percentages and numbers places work....

www.coolmath.com...

Those numbers and percentages are like election polls using BS statistical models.

Fake news and not to be believed.