CERN Discovers Exotic Never Before Seen Particle

One day we will discover a partial that lives in a different dimension that parallels and interacts with ours in a strange way. That’s my prediction. Because it seems that anything that is thought up eventually is found.

a reply to: Disinformation Man

No, it wasn't.

The US military created the internet as a means to send battlefield intelligence from the front lines to the pentagon.

It wasn't until the late 80's/early 90's that the mega consumer potential was discovered.

you should see what they were testing at dugway....would be interesting to see if there were any deaths 3 in particular that died from ionizing radiation of a sorts in the US in the past 20 years....

Thanks to the OP for updating us on the recent discovery at CERN. I guessed it might have been yet another free preon observation as predicted by The ABC Preon Model coming true, but after minimal digging I see that it is not. The recent discovery concerns (from the ABC Preon point of view) bound states. While bound states are described by the ABC Preon Model, discoveries of bound states are not the type of paradigm shifting evidence that free preon events represent.

On a second matter, it is always sad to see assertions that high energy physics is too expensive to be advanced. It is through understanding the world that mankind advances. As we learn more about the fundamental particles and forces we can then use that new knowledge for practical gain. We of course can't predict what advances will occur, since we don't know what we don't know. The only thing that can be said for certain is that if we stop looking then we won't find anything new that may enable our further advance.

Economics is the study of what are called "goods". Individually, and as a society, we must decide how much of our finite resources to spend on several items, each of which is a good thing. It is my belief that accelerator and elementary physics research is a "good" deserving of some of our resources. For society, $21B spread over a decade, with costs shared by countries around the world, is minuscule compared to what we spend in other areas.

I now wish to disagree with Eros in that, in my view, taxing the church would be the last place I would look to offset any spending. In most cases those who work to spread the good news of the teachings, life, death and resurrection of Jesus earn very little while working hard to help the lives of others. (There are exceptions, of course.) Historically, I believe we should credit the teachings of the church for the achievement of allowing significant portions of mankind to escape the bondage imposed by authoritarianism. Prior to the church, the western world was marked by the constant death, torment and destruction that result from attempts by a few to achieve and maintain absolute power over many. Crucifixion was perhaps the most barbaric means of societal control ever invented. The victim lay helplessly nailed to a cross to slowly die as a demonstration to others not to step out of line. Overcoming the cross was more than overcoming death; it also eventually led to superior forms of government of, for and by the many. Jesus's foremost instruction is to treat others as we would treat our self. The church, in my opinion, is another good that is well deserving of a portion of society's resources. And the church generally survives on donations freely given, on after-tax dollars.

In the present, an admission that you are a believing Christian is all too often equated with stupidity. This is unfortunate. In the past this was not so. Most of the founding fathers of the US, as well as many great men and women throughout history were believing Christians, including Newton and Maxwell. Faith and science need not be opposites, with one wrong and the other right. True wisdom can come from both. We need not disparage one to raise the other. If we give up our religious foundations, I am afraid the despotism of authoritarianism won't be far behind.

a reply to: delbertlarson

That is exactly my point and the funny response calling me out as ignorant below it equally ironic.

I don't think the church is a force for good in the world, iv seen it act as quite the opposite for my whole life so, sorry, it should be taxed like any other business.

The other one is the part that is lost on most people... because everyone here on ATS seem to think that everything is in America or paid for by American dollars.

news flash... CERN is not in America and the US contribution isn't on the grand scheme of things... huge... it was as you point out Delbert, paid for by many nations over a period of roughly 15 years.

it is an absolute tiny drop in the bucket. To the other poster... I have to disagree, ATS... isn't a hive of hyper intelligence, except for those who believe every conspiracy under the sun... hate to break it to you. Currently its a huge Alt right hive, who love reality denial... but hey, deny ignorance right?

a reply to: ErosA433

/laugh

You must be new here

a reply to: 38181

And then soon after we will learn to trade objects with that dimensions inhabitants and a very cool science fiction meme will be real. I think that you are right about whatever we look for we seem to find.

originally posted by: bluemooone2
I think that you are right about whatever we look for we seem to find.

I don't know what makes you think that, it's far from the truth. There were many other predictions of what people expected the LHC to find besides the Higgs boson, and it didn't find all these other predictions, like supersymmetric particles.

Here's a theoretical physicist pointing out the lack of discovery of what was predicted:

Quanta Magazine

“It’s striking that we’ve thought about these things for 30 years and we have not made one correct prediction that they have seen,” said Nima Arkani-Hamed, a professor of physics at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, N.J...

Some theorists argue that the time has already come for the whole field to start reckoning with the message of the null results. The absence of new particles almost certainly means that the laws of physics are not natural in the way physicists long assumed they are.

You may say "but this thread is about a new particle!". Actually it's about the 11th or so tetraquark discovered this century if confirmed; it may not actually be a tetraquark, but instead a "a pair of two-quark particles weakly bound in a molecule-like structure" as mentioned in the OP story. In either case, the tetraquarks don't seem to be providing the big answers to the big questions that are discussed in the quanta magazine link above; we are still essentially getting a "null result" for numerous predicted particles. However, the null result is actually a valid result, so we shouldn't forget that, and we know more than we did before by ruling out some ideas, but we still need answers.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

There are some things which by the nature of the question, cannot be proven.

"Unicorns do not exist!" No way to prove that. But find one unicorn and you have disproved it.

Nulls are powerful.