CERN Discovers Exotic Never Before Seen Particle

a reply to: agentblue

I think your post was over zealous?

The Uncertain Future of Particle Physics
Ten years in, the Large Hadron Collider has failed to deliver the exciting discoveries that scientists promised.

By Sabine Hossenfelder
Dr. Hossenfelder is a research fellow at the Frankfurt Institute for Advanced Studies.

Jan. 23, 2019


www.nytimes.com...


But big science experiments are investments in our future. Decisions about what to fund should be based on facts, not on shiny advertising. For this, we need to know when a prediction is just a guess. And if particle physicists have only guesses, maybe we should wait until they have better reasons for why a larger collider might find something new.

It is correct that some technological developments, like strong magnets, benefit from these particle colliders and that particle physics positively contributes to scientific education in general. These are worthy investments, but if that’s what you want to spend money on, you don’t also need to dig a tunnel

originally posted by: ManFromEurope

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
Cern: "We need 21 billion to make an even bigger collider, how we gonna sell that to the fools, i mean donors. Lets tell them we've discovered a new particle."

Donors: "21 billion? That could feed a lot of people for a lot of years. Thats a lot of schools we could build"

Cern: "Did we mention its an exotic particle?"

Donors: "Is 21 billion enough???!!!"

As if here would be only 21 billion in the world for this kind of projects.

Or as if this money would, if retracted from CERN, go build some schools, while in reality the money would go absolutely elsewhere. And usually not in a positive direction.

Don't kid yourself. The starvation won't be helped with this small amount of money. The illiterate won't be schooled. It would fill up some already very rich person's bankaccount and nothing else.

Better to use it on science!

Sounds like most liberal programs.......

20 billion would build lots of solar panel farms and quiet a few desalination plants for fresh water. Or air separation plants to remove CO2 from the atmosphere?

originally posted by: neutronflux
20 billion would build lots of solar panel farms and quiet a few desalination plants for fresh water. Or air separation plants to remove CO2 from the atmosphere?

The U.S. spends at present 732 billion on Defense. Most of that is spent on equipment to kill people.

21 billion is a drop in the ocean compared. At least that money can be spent on advancing science.

www.pgpf.org...

If you haven't yet heard, CERN makes bold push to build €21-billion supercollider, which will dwarf the current 27-kilometer(16 mile) collider with its 100 kilometers (62 miles) of circumference.

I've always wondered,is CERN really the world's biggest supercollider?Could there be a bigger and more powerful classified particle accelerator in the United States?Is it possible that the Texas Superconducting Super Collider (SSC) was a cover for the real thing that got built somewhere under the deserts of the US to be used by the black world "Special Access" scientific community?

The 87.1km/54.1 miles in circumference accelerator project was surprisingly canceled even after 2 billion $ were spent and 17 shafts and 22.5 km (14 mi) of tunnel were bored.They cited high costs as reason for termination,which were really pennies for a superpower like the United States.

It is known that sometimes black programs use white world programs as cover.For example it is rumoured that the NASA/Lockheeed Martin X-33 was a cover for a hypersonic military aircraft.The X-33 was mysteriously cancelled in a very advanced stage of development.I would imagine that the vast resources needed to build the SSC,like the magnets and other materials,would have raised some eyebrows on the "market" so maybe a cover program was needed in order to build this thing in secret(speculating here of course).

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: neutronflux
20 billion would build lots of solar panel farms and quiet a few desalination plants for fresh water. Or air separation plants to remove CO2 from the atmosphere?

The U.S. spends at present 732 billion on Defense. Most of that is spent on equipment to kill people.

21 billion is a drop in the ocean compared. At least that money can be spent on advancing science.

www.pgpf.org...

Good thing if Russia is putting out bounties?

Never before "seen", yes these particles are so small and exist for such a short time that they are not seen, merely "sensed" by our machines. CERN is an exercise to test science's deepest mathematical understanding of the Universe to the exclusion of the most basic of practical human endeavors.

We must live on the floating island of Laputa and these scientists are the Laputans.

a reply to: HalWesten

Wasn't the internet invented at Cern? Im going to look it up real quick..

a reply to: alldaylong

The U.S. spends at present 732 billion on Defense. Most of that is spent on equipment to kill people. 21 billion is a drop in the ocean compared. At least that money can be spent on advancing science.

This^

originally posted by: ADAMandEVIL
CERN Discovers Exotic Never Before Seen Particle..........

Ahhh! that's one mystery solved,
But will they be able to put it back into the President's head.

a reply to: ADAMandEVIL

Like many before me...this is not the time to ask people to pay for such an expensive machine... unless it can solve the most urgent problems on our planet.

a reply to: smurfy

wow the level of total stupidity on ATS never fails to surprise me.

21 billion... is nothing


America... if the Americans taxed the church, estimates come in at around 50 billion... and do the Churches do anything toward world hunger? Not as much as they love to boast about let me tell you.

Also CERN and high energy physics has pushed our understanding of many things and medicine is one of them... if you can't understand or see that, its not my problem, its you who are stupid.

What makes it 'exotic'? Just that we've not seen it before?

a reply to: ErosA433

wow the level of total stupidity on ATS never fails to surprise me.

How dare you incorporate all of ATS in a blanket statement like that, when you are at odds about what a few have said?

Rather a nube-ish thing to say if you want my opinion, but you probably don't.

The collective level of extremely talented and intelligent people in this forum would rival some of the best universities in the world. Learn a bit of respect.

For how long? 3, 4 days?

a reply to: Flesh699

Is political drivel. What does that science in turn get used for. Military applications first.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Greta?

a reply to: charlyv

Or air separation plants to remove CO2 from the atmosphere?

a reply to: neutronflux
You know plants can do that dont you . How about plant a tree .

a reply to: ADAMandEVIL

wakefeild accelerators are the new kid in town.....and they can fit on a bench top at amazingly high power levels