CERN Discovers Exotic Never Before Seen Particle

If you haven't yet heard, CERN makes bold push to build €21-billion supercollider, which will dwarf the current 27-kilometer(16 mile) collider with its 100 kilometers (62 miles) of circumference.
Imagine what we will discover with such a machine? Especially considering the current LHC is still producing results!

Exotic never before seen particle discovered at CERN

The Large Hadron Collider Beauty (LHCb) project has observed an exotic particle made up of four charm quarks for the first time.

The LHCb collaboration has observed a type of four-quark particle never seen before. The discovery, presented at a recent seminar at CERN and described in a paper published today is likely to be the first of a previously undiscovered class of particles never before seen by physicists.

The finding will help physicists better understand quarks, a type of elementary particle which is a fundamental building block of all matter. Quarks form together to form composite particles known as hadrons, which include protons and neutrons. This breakthrough new discovery can help scientists now understand the complex ways in which quarks bind themselves together to form these composite.

Phys.org

Check out the paper here: Observation of structure in the J/ψ-pair mass spectrum
"Using proton-proton collision data at centre-of-mass energies of s√=7, 8 and 13TeV recorded by the LHCb experiment at the Large Hadron Collider, corresponding to an integrated luminosity of 9fb−1, the invariant mass spectrum of J/ψ pairs is studied. A narrow structure around 6.9GeV/c2 matching the lineshape of a resonance and a broad structure just above twice the J/ψ mass are observed. The deviation of the data from nonresonant J/ψ-pair production is above five standard deviations in the mass region between 6.2 and 7.4GeV/c2, covering predicted masses of states composed of four charm quarks. The mass and natural width of the narrow X(6900) structure are measured assuming a Breit--Wigner lineshape."

Or, in English:

The LHCb team found the new tetraquark using the particle-hunting technique of looking for an excess of collision events, known as a "bump", over a smooth background of events. Sifting through the full LHCb datasets from the first and second runs of the Large Hadron Collider, which took place from 2009 to 2013 and from 2015 to 2018 respectively, the researchers detected a bump in the mass distribution of particles, which consist of a charm quark and a charm antiquark.

The bump has a statistical significance of more than five standard deviations, the usual threshold for claiming the discovery of a new particle, and it corresponds to a mass at which particles composed of four charm quarks are predicted to exist.

Adam & Evil

They should be putting that money and talent into finding a good, cost-effective treatment for viruses. Nothing they're doing is relevant to anyone's life.

originally posted by: HalWesten
They should be putting that money and talent into finding a good, cost-effective treatment for viruses. Nothing they're doing is relevant to anyone's life.

Neither does a $200. hammer, but we get some really good jets out of the deal! heheh

I really agree with you, I just had to say that.

I am not against science by any means, but priorities need to be considered and this is not one at the moment.

That was funny by the way. lol

21 billion would end world hunger over night. That's ridiculous.

Even more stupid is not spending that money at least on planetary defense considering earth was just rocked by a Plandemic.

21 billion would end world hunger over night. That's ridiculous.

Even more stupid is not spending that money at least on planetary defense considering earth was just rocked by a Plandemic, and how prepared were we for that?

Wow, particle research is really changing the world. Too bad it doesn't help develop vaccines or feed the homeless or do anything useful really. What an incredible investment.

originally posted by: HalWesten
They should be putting that money and talent into finding a good, cost-effective treatment for viruses. Nothing they're doing is relevant to anyone's life.

1) LHC and CERN have been around since way before the "virus"
2) They are physicists and nothing to do with the medical field .
3) Depends on what one calls "relevant" .
4) Do you absolutely know for sure that it is not relevant to anyone's life ?
5) The funding was already in place. You did know the LHC and CERN is not a US endeavor , right ?

Denying ignorance .
Why ?
Some folks need to learn

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: HalWesten
They should be putting that money and talent into finding a good, cost-effective treatment for viruses. Nothing they're doing is relevant to anyone's life.

1) LHC and CERN have been around since way before the "virus"
2) They are physicists and nothing to do with the medical field .
3) Depends on what one calls "relevant" .
4) Do you absolutely know for sure that it is not relevant to anyone's life ?
5) The funding was already in place. You did know the LHC and CERN is not a US endeavor , right ?

Denying ignorance .
Why ?
Some folks need to learn

Name three products or services it directly impacts that you use at least once a week.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: HalWesten
They should be putting that money and talent into finding a good, cost-effective treatment for viruses. Nothing they're doing is relevant to anyone's life.

1) LHC and CERN have been around since way before the "virus"
2) They are physicists and nothing to do with the medical field .
3) Depends on what one calls "relevant" .
4) Do you absolutely know for sure that it is not relevant to anyone's life ?
5) The funding was already in place. You did know the LHC and CERN is not a US endeavor , right ?

Denying ignorance .
Why ?
Some folks need to learn

Name three products or services it directly impacts that you use at least once a week.

It's not about now.
You knew that of course.
Could it possibly change radiation therapy in the future ?
Absolutely.
Let's start there.
And there are infinite possibilities (probabilities ?)

I am sure that even atoms are made up of even smaller particles. Look at what has been discovered over the last fifty years, I have always had an interest in physics. I think we are only touching the tip of the iceberg, I think that frequencies can alter almost any molecule, frequencies we cannot even measure presently. Things are way more complicated than anyone can yet comprehend in fact, the reality we live in is far from real. We will still have to develop the technology to see what is truly happening and how things are actually connected.

Maybe our reality does not actually exist, how do we know if we are not part of some very complex virtual reality made by a civilization a thousand fold more advanced than we are? It is real to me, I realize that, it hurts like hell when you hit your thumb or finger with a hammer or when you mess up your back.....but a complex virtual reality could have all that in it.

If that is the case, there is one thing to consider, who or what created the ones running the show and what are their beliefs or desires, and what is the reason for this matrix if it is real.

Name three products or services it directly impacts that you use at least once a week.

Ahem, cellular communications, super conductors, alloys for your computers, quantum mechanics. All of this science is the reason why you have the technology that you use now. Figuring out how to manipulate atoms and it’s subatomic particles is the building blocks of chemistry and metallurgy, the ability to send gamma rays and radio waves across galaxies. I could go for days on this subject.

originally posted by: HalWesten
They should be putting that money and talent into finding a good, cost-effective treatment for viruses. Nothing they're doing is relevant to anyone's life.

Ehhh...who knows? The microwave oven was invented by accident in war research. Obviously it didn't cure a pandemic (At least not as far as I know) but it probably has had more than enough humanitarian impact to pay for itself.

I don't know enough about particle physics to say whether it is or isn't going to have amazing results but you never know.

I'm openly interested and possibly naively pessimistic.

What becomes of these discoveries? Is it a common particle that's in most things or some rare thing? Does finding a particle mean it's basically in all things of matter?

If so or if not, what does the knowledge of the existence of the "new" particle do? What new things can we do now that we know this particle exists? What are the potential things that we can do?

That is all.

a reply to: HalWesten

They're looking to build a better iPhone and Xbox!
Or better yet, a bigger and more lethal bomb

Cern: "We need 21 billion to make an even bigger collider, how we gonna sell that to the fools, i mean donors. Lets tell them we've discovered a new particle."

Donors: "21 billion? That could feed a lot of people for a lot of years. Thats a lot of schools we could build"

Cern: "Did we mention its an exotic particle?"

Donors: "Is 21 billion enough???!!!"

originally posted by: HalWesten
They should be putting that money and talent into finding a good, cost-effective treatment for viruses. Nothing they're doing is relevant to anyone's life.

Not for nothing, but something called the internet was created for and by CERN. And the last time I checked physicists aren’t immunologists.
Plenty of money goes into funding research on viruses and disease; just ask Bill Gates.

Huh, LHC sure accelerate up during pandemic. Taking a risk, sure go ahead! Maybe find something great or fail miserable. Or worse diaster.

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
Cern: "We need 21 billion to make an even bigger collider, how we gonna sell that to the fools, i mean donors. Lets tell them we've discovered a new particle."

Donors: "21 billion? That could feed a lot of people for a lot of years. Thats a lot of schools we could build"

Cern: "Did we mention its an exotic particle?"

Donors: "Is 21 billion enough???!!!"

As if here would be only 21 billion in the world for this kind of projects.

Or as if this money would, if retracted from CERN, go build some schools, while in reality the money would go absolutely elsewhere. And usually not in a positive direction.

Don't kid yourself. The starvation won't be helped with this small amount of money. The illiterate won't be schooled. It would fill up some already very rich person's bankaccount and nothing else.

Better to use it on science!

100 billion dollars to study something so small we can't even interact with it.



Sounds like a good deal.

As for the guy asking for these people to work on solving viruses???
I don't think a particle physicist would get very far in that field of work.