Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.

a reply to: Pachomius

Follow the evidence... There is none!

Verdict : God Does Not Exist

Easy

Definition of God: God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning. [17 words ]




Just let you and me, anyone you, take the task of concurring with me on the definition of God, okay?


Here is my definition of God:

"God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning." [17 words ]


Try to draft your definition in less than 20 words.

So, you should present your definition of God, I will be disappointed if you eschew this task.


From your definition and my definition, we can work together as to produce a concurred on definition of God.

Then we can proceed to prove or disprove God exists, in concept as per our concurred on definition of God.

a reply to: Pachomius

God in concept is a myth based on plagiarized pagan culture and creepypastas written by sheep herders

Definition of God: God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning. [17 words ]





Dear TzarChasm, what entity is the myth about, and what was that entity supposed to have done?

a reply from TzarChasm to Pachomius:

God in concept is a myth based on plagiarized pagan culture and creepypastas written by sheep herders
[ . . . ]

If this was Ancient Greek, Uranus had sex with the planet Earth and it made a bunch of big babies. All the while one of one or two of big babies spared by their Nephew made man out of clay.

Would Chaos nads count as a meteor? Everything as below apparently above too.

Definition of God: God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning. [17 words ]

This is the title of the thread from Pachomius:

Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.


And the OP is as follows:

[ posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 01:12 PM ]
On the assumption that mankind sincerely seeks knowledge, I submit that it is possible for any person to come to resolve the issue God exists or not, with honest intelligent productive thinking, i.e., thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas. Now, honest intelligent productive thinking on the said issue must start with working together to concur on the concept of God. What do you dear colleagues here say?

Try again, Specimen88 - continue with your critical research into the history of ideas, in particular on God, and you will land into my concept of God, namely:

"God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning."

From Specimen88
posted on Jun, 27 2020 @ 07:46 AM

If this was Ancient Greek, Uranus had sex with the planet Earth and it made a bunch of big babies. All the while one of one or two of big babies spared by their Nephew made man out of clay.

Would Chaos nads count as a meteor? Everything as below apparently above too.


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"Oh error I have become thee!"

a reply to: Pachomius

Which EL are we talking about?

God in concept is also man and the universe and everything destruction with an ending.

I think its illogical denying God.

Things just don't get created with such complexity out of nothing.

The only problem with God IMO is the massive suffering that goes on

When they say God is an absentee landlord, I always say
No, He's a slumLord!

My Grandma told me: "God helps those who help themselves."

If I help myself, then I am God.

If humanity somehow developed intelligence why is it hard to believe there exist a being or beings with advanced intelligence on the human paranormal/supernatural factor?

excellant break down reply to: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: rigel4
a reply to: Pachomius

Follow the evidence... There is none!

Verdict : God Does Not Exist

Easy

Evidence that prophecies came true. Evidence that Israel had an exodus from Egypt. Evidence the prophecy of Daniel came true; Israel a nation again. Jesus prophesied before his coming.

There is so much evidence you have to be willingly blind not to see it.

And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.


All the evidence you need is in the bible. If you are TRULY interested, just look up YT videos from prophecy teachers, or Christian Apologists.

There are literally a million questions and side notes on the existence of God. "Why so many Gods?" "How do we know which one is the real God?" "Is the bible fabricated after the fact?" "But historians say?"
You can find exact answers to these questions if you look for them. And yes, they all point to the fact that the bible is accurate.

Darwinian Evolution is being absolutely torn apart. Carbon dating, and all forms of historical dating are being crushed. But you know what is not being crushed, the story of the flood, the story of the children of Abraham, and the fulfilled prophecies of the bible.

There are forces, literally, that want to shut Christianity down. And they will eventually be successful in that endevour. Do you want to know why? Because it is prophesied in the bible.

BLIND

"Show me your God!" the doubter cries.
I point him to the smiling skies;
I show him all the woodland greens;
I show him peaceful sylvan scenes;
I show him winter snows and frost;
I show him waters tempest-tossed;
I show him hills rock-ribbed and strong;
I bid him hear the thrush's song;
I show him flowers in the close
The lily, violet and rose;
I show him rivers, babbling streams;
I show him youthful hopes and dreams;
I show him maids with eager hearts;
I show him toilers in the marts;
I show him stars, the moon, the sun;
I show him deeds of kindness done;
I show him joy; I show him care,
And still he holds his doubting air,
And faithless goes his way, for he
Is blind of soul, and cannot see.

John Kendrick Bangs, 1862-1922

Doesn't that nicely summarize the issue here? To the understanding one, it's clear why the poet is showing him all these pieces of evidence for God's existence and the inductive reasoning or common sense that lies behind it.*

..., whereas those who do not consider God readily draw wrong conclusions from the things that they observe.

Source: Knowledge (Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2)


*: Is Belief in God Reasonable? (Awake! 2010)

originally posted by: Pachomius
Definition of God: God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

A thought has a beginning and a feeling has a beginning......so who is it that is thinking and feeling?

Thoughts and feelings appear and disappear.......what is aware of the comings and goings?

originally posted by: whereislogic
BLIND

"Show me your God!" the doubter cries.
I point him to the smiling skies;
I show him all the woodland greens;
I show him peaceful sylvan scenes;
I show him winter snows and frost;
I show him waters tempest-tossed;
I show him hills rock-ribbed and strong;
I bid him hear the thrush's song;
I show him flowers in the close
The lily, violet and rose;
I show him rivers, babbling streams;
I show him youthful hopes and dreams;
I show him maids with eager hearts;
I show him toilers in the marts;
I show him stars, the moon, the sun;
I show him deeds of kindness done;
I show him joy; I show him care,
And still he holds his doubting air,
And faithless goes his way, for he
Is blind of soul, and cannot see.

John Kendrick Bangs, 1862-1922

Doesn't that nicely summarize the issue here? To the understanding one, it's clear why the poet is showing him all these pieces of evidence for God's existence and the inductive reasoning or common sense that lies behind it.

..., whereas those who do not consider God readily draw wrong conclusions from the things that they observe.

Source: Knowledge (Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2)

Proves nothing really.

God is spirit and all seeing......it's opposite (matter) has no sight.

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: whereislogic

Proves nothing really.

Before drawing any rash conclusions and making such absolute statements about it like that, you may want to investigate a bit deeper into the matter and why this poet brought up these pieces of evidence for God's existence. Remember:

The “understanding heart is one that searches for knowledge”; it is not satisfied with a mere superficial view but seeks to get the full picture. (Pr 15:14) Knowledge must become ‘pleasant to one’s very soul’ if discernment is to safeguard one from perversion and deception.​—Pr 2:10, 11; 18:15; see KNOWLEDGE.

Source: Understanding (Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2)

You can get a fuller picture if clicking the link under "the inductive reasoning or common sense that lies behind it.*" Or the videos and article I linked with that footnote (I edited my comment to add some extras).

a reply to: Pachomius

So you just want everyone to agree with your definition no matter what we personally think it should be.

originally posted by: whereislogic

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: whereislogic

Proves nothing really.

Before drawing any rash conclusions and making such absolute statements about it like that, you may want to investigate a bit deeper into the matter and why this poet brought up these pieces of evidence for God's existence. Remember:

The “understanding heart is one that searches for knowledge”; it is not satisfied with a mere superficial view but seeks to get the full picture. (Pr 15:14) Knowledge must become ‘pleasant to one’s very soul’ if discernment is to safeguard one from perversion and deception.​—Pr 2:10, 11; 18:15; see KNOWLEDGE.

Source: Understanding (Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2)

You can get a fuller picture if clicking the link under "the inductive reasoning or common sense that lies behind it.*" Or the videos and article I linked with that footnote (I edited my comment to add some extras).

Again, reading your link, I have to say again, this price a nothing. Religion is a belief, and everyone has a different reason why they follow their religion, and what it means to them, but it's not evidence, and it's not proof of a God in any way shape or form.

We can pretty much rule out the holy books because they are filled with nonsense, brutality and things we know now as rubbish.

But people still believe, and people are willing to ignore this in their holy book. There is absolutly no logic to a God in my opinion.