Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

If Brahman is eternal then what happens when all life on Earth ends about 500 million years from now?

If Brahman is eternal then what happens when the Earth plunges into the Sun and is annihilated?

What is eternity?

In math x/0 is undefined, because it would be infinity.
It does not compute.
It crashes computer programs when it happens.

y= n/x as x approaches zero y approaches infinity for any n.
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If something can never happen
then how long will it take to happen?

Eternity.
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If it is Eternal
then when will it happen?

Never.
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The Earth is not eternal, though you would not know that by looking right now.
The Universe is not either for that matter.

There are terms which have become memes.

The end of the karma/re-incarnation cycle is Nirvana.
Complete one-ness with Brahman is Nirvana.
Nirvana is annihilation.
Brahman is annihilation.
Annihilation is Nothing.
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So once you know nothing
why not just move on
and live until you die?

originally posted by: Pachomius

originally posted by: Nothin
a reply to: pthena

Missed a few days .
Did anyone prove the existence of God yet ?

I have posted time and again my proof that God* exists, but the trouble is that posters here do not exercise honest intelligent productive thinking, so they will not accept my proof.

Do you care to exchange thoughts with me on my proof of God's existence?


*My concept of God: God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

No thanks.

EX : From the word/concept in our mind of An AI with a bad memory*, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning, we go forth into the world that is outside and independent of our mind, to seek evidence of An AI with a bad memory*'s existence.

We come to babies and roses in the neighborhood, there, they are the evidence proving the existence of An AI with a bad memory*, An AI with a bad memory* corresponding to the concept in our mind of the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.


This is my new temporary definition, and may be good for a few minutes, or so :
God is a feeling that all of us have, but is beyond words.


*An AI with a bad memory : EX : An OP host whom forgets that 'they' have just given a shipload of ships, to a certain poster, a mere 3 pages ago.

a reply to: Nothin

My conclusion is this:

Based upon the Biblical term: The Living God.

When you find ( ) instead of ()
then you will also find that ( ) is not eternal.

a reply to: pthena

Annihilation is Nothing.
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So once you know nothing
why not just move on
and live until you die?

That's what SHE said !

a reply to: Nothin

I bet she did!!!


Now that I've got the proper notation, I'm ready to move along to the next challenge. Besides that, I think Pach is done with us.

a reply to: pthena

Yes.
It's been more than 10 minutes since my last conclusion, so am ready for another one :
Well, not really. Will ponder a tad ...... ( Game-show music )

...Am feeling resonance, between the concepts of : (); God; and the Tao.
Any words or descriptions are inadequate, and not only fall short, but tend to confuse rather than bring clarity.
Am babbling now... LoL !

Wanted to mention to you earlier, that your mention of DT Suzuki rang a bell.
( Not because am having a good memory, but had just seen his name a couple of hours before you posted it. )
He had a crack at translating the Tao, along with another fellow. Here is their interpretation of the first chapter:

SUZUKI, D T & CARUS, PAUL (1913)
The Reason that can be reasoned is not the eternal Reason.
The name that can be named is not the eternal Name.
The Unnamable is of heaven and earth the beginning.
The Namable becomes of the ten thousand things the mother.
Therefore it is said:
"He who desireless is found
The spiritual of the world will sound.
But he who by desire is bound
Sees the mere shell of things around."
These two things are the same in source but different in name.
Their sameness is called a mystery.
Indeed, it is the mystery of mysteries.
Of all spirituality it is the door.

'Tis of my shiny new temporary opinion, that : (); God; and the Tao, are all being indicated within that.
Perhaps you and my friend ItIsNowAgain, would tend to be agreeable ?
( If for only a few minutes, of course. )

a reply to: Nothin

Perhaps you and my friend ItIsNowAgain, would tend to be agreeable ?

Perhaps, but you may have some difficulty with me.

The Namable becomes of the ten thousand things the mother.

I get distracted by mothers. Kind of hard to focus on Nameless.

"He who desireless is found
The spiritual of the world will sound.
But he who by desire is bound
Sees the mere shell of things around."

I was once a great student of Epicurus,
which means I read a few pages from an Encyclopedia of Philosophy,
and gained enough knowledge to make a presentation to my 12th grade class for a grade (A).

The Epicureans taught the elimination of passion in order to seek greater wisdom, so no women.

But in life I discovered that passion is the necessary source of energy to do magic. Passion driven Magic is freaking dangerous, the danger proportionate to the passion. There is really no circumstance in which it is better to do it rather than not do it.

And so I became a monk.

But I remember women, (stupid eidetic memory!)

... what was I trying to say?

Maybe you better start.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Pachomius

Then by you every "God" exists.

There is only one god.

How in the context Pachomius posted this for any god to exist?

What about my concept of proof?
Proof in concept is the process by which one human being succeeds to convince another human being: that something is factually and truthfully in existence - in the world outside and independent of our mind and/or in our mind.

In the context of the above statement, any concept of god shared and mutually believed exists. Is that false in the context of logic of the post.

originally posted by: Pachomius

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Pachomius

You
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What about my concept of proof?
Proof in concept is the process by which one human being succeeds to convince another human being: that something is factually and truthfully in existence - in the world outside and independent of our mind and/or in our mind.
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Then by you, every “God” exists.

What is imagined is often not truth. A person can believe a potion will make them bullet proof. Then talk another person in to the same belief. Both take the potion before combat. Both end up shot to death. A concept shared is not proof of truth. Being able to test the concept and collect data is evidence.

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Dear Neutron, first you produce and present what you know to be proof, okay?

It is a waste of bandwidth if you don't have your concept of what is proof, that is always the trouble with communicating with you, you bring in something from nowhere at all.

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You still cannot prove god bioengineered humankind over extraterrestrials bioengineering humankind. The only thing you have is faith your god created humankind, and not extraterrestrials. That makes you religious, unless you have actual physical proof humans were not bioengineered by extraterrestrials.

a reply to: Pachomius

You

Note 1. Too long indicative of deficiency of coherent thinking or lack of honest intelligent productive thinking and writing

Now you know how you BS logic void of tangle evidence reads to someone demanding actual proof of your god.

a reply to: Nothin

I sent you a pm asking if you wanted to start a thread.

STENUDD, STEFAN (2008)
The Way that can be walked is not the eternal Way.
The name that can be named is not the eternal name.
The nameless is the beginning of Heaven and Earth.
The named is the mother of all things.
Therefore:
Free from desire you see the mystery.
Filled of desire you see the manifestations.
These two have the same origin but differ in name.
That is the secret, the secret of secrets, the gate to all mysteries.

I propose going by this translation, by the web site owner.

'Tis of my shiny new temporary opinion, that : (); God; and the Tao, are all being indicated within that.

Tentative:
Tao is the way that can be walked; .
God can be named; therefore she is the mother of all things.
() Cannot be named; the beginning of Heaven and Earth.

The secret: That the two have the same origin seems to be very much like the graffiti.

That's my stab at it.



God the Mother doesn't seem to be mentioned in the graffiti. That's interesting.

a reply to: Nothin

( If for only a few minutes, of course. )

Let's not be hasty now.
The implications are astounding.

I can say God now and mean it.

I better settle down here.

Tao doesn't need magic.
...
Wow!
Tao is safer than shamanism ... and yet ... animism and Tao can co-exist.

I pray that it is so.
( Did you see that? Pray! Crying out loud! )

Okay. Okay. Wow, just WoW!!!

alright ... settle down

calm ... calm
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I feel like I should hide the above text.
Think ...
Okay. These are only tentative implications.

I'm going to sleep on it.

a reply to: pthena

The resounding YES !! , at the end of this song, is for you :

a reply to: neutronflux

Someone who asks for proof of God never wants any.

a reply to: Nothin

So you don't think I should delete the tentative implications?

Sounds safe to wait for drive-by dry up.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Pachomius

Then by you every "God" exists

There is only one god.

How in the context Pachomius posted this for any god to exist?

What about my concept of proof?
Proof in concept is the process by which one human being succeeds to convince another human being: that something is factually and truthfully in existence - in the world outside and independent of our mind and/or in our mind.

In the context of the above statement, any concept of god shared and mutually believed exists. Is that false in the context of logic of the post.

Perhaps, but there's only one god so you can 't miss.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Prove it.

a reply to: Phage

God proves Himself. Everything is evidence of God.

a reply to: pthena

For you to decide, if you are over-exposing yourself.
You know : keep a secret garden, and all that, while still showing glimpses, for those that are curious.
If you do chose to remouve , maybe save it on some notebook file or something ? 'Cause it was beautiful.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Yeah.
Circular reasoning. I understand that's what faith consists of.