What are we going to do about Seattle ?

a reply to: HalWesten

I don’t about strong or weak. But “abandoning” citizens in the “occupied” area is definitely the wrong thing to do. By all levels of government.

a reply to: HalWesten

You don't speak for the people in Seattle.

If they want a more socialist-communist system within the Constitutions of the US and Washington state, that's their call.

There are problems on the ground in Seattle as there are in many cities across the country.

What is being presented here is ludicrously one-sided. I thought you aren't right-wing? Why are you buying into their media?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: HalWesten

I don’t about strong or weak. But “abandoning” citizens in the “occupied” area is definitely the wrong thing to do. By all levels of government.

The Police Chief for Seattle was in the area on Thursday, reviewing the situation in preparation for reopening the East Precinct. Also, many of the businesses in the area are supporting the protests.

That said, there are issues. The roving gangs of thugs that are exhorting citizens has to stop.

Source

originally posted by: Baddogma
It strikes me as odd when conspiracy theorists side with a government that is violent, fascistic, untruthful and corrupt. Before whataboutisms, let me be clear that both parties are guilty and corrupt.

A bunch of kids (even if some are imported by foreign governments) have set up a zone where there's no organized arm of control and the old weirdos freak out and insinuate they should be shot as an example? What are you doing on a famous conspiracy site, then?

Is love of country now tied to rule by force? Remember way back when the citizens of the U.S. hated government for the eons of repression and murder they had committed throughout that thing called history? We tell ourselves we govern ourselves, but then some of us wish for rule by jackboot?

Priceless.

While I agree that the use of force should be a last option you cannot have any group close down sections of a city, barricade those sections, then declare those sections as their own under their own rule of law. You just can't, it's that simple. I can give you a long list of reasons why and ramifications if you'd like. But like I said, I would try every other possible way to get them to release control of these areas before any force.

Removing ideologies from the equation and seeing the event for what it is, it's silly and frankly down right dangerous to just take control of an area and trying to set up your own land. I personally don't care if they are the far left, right, up, down or center you cannot let a group of individuals to just seize control in areas of a city in the civilized world.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: HalWesten

I don’t about strong or weak. But “abandoning” citizens in the “occupied” area is definitely the wrong thing to do. By all levels of government.

The Police Chief for Seattle was in the area on Thursday, reviewing the situation in preparation for reopening the East Precinct. Also, many of the businesses in the area are supporting the protests.

That said, there are issues. The roving gangs of thugs that are exhorting citizens has to stop.

Source

Sorry. A one party system should never be a serious choice. And may of the “protesters” want that. So how do you rectify that with a republic?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: HalWesten

You don't speak for the people in Seattle.

If they want a more socialist-communist system within the Constitutions of the US and Washington state, that's their call.

There are problems on the ground in Seattle as there are in many cities across the country.

What is being presented here is ludicrously one-sided. I thought you aren't right-wing? Why are you buying into their media?

You don't speak for them either and you missed the point completely as your second line clearly shows. You don't get it and until you stop parsing others' comments to make your opinion look factual and correct, you never will. You are twisting what I said to make your point look valid and it's not.

Since I know you will respond with something like "where am I wrong?", you are clearly baiting for an argument because you are ignoring what I said the way I said it. I will converse with you on facts and opinion as long as you don't twist my words like you did here. I'm not playing that game.

Force the politicians allowing it to happen to live there and set up a perimeter, anybody can go in, nobody can come out. Maybe it'll grow and take over the whole city. Let the lefties have what they want. I'm sure it'll burn down before too long.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: HalWesten

I don’t about strong or weak. But “abandoning” citizens in the “occupied” area is definitely the wrong thing to do. By all levels of government.

The Police Chief for Seattle was in the area on Thursday, reviewing the situation in preparation for reopening the East Precinct. Also, many of the businesses in the area are supporting the protests.

That said, there are issues. The roving gangs of thugs that are exhorting citizens has to stop.

Source

Sorry. A one party system should never be a serious choice. And may of the “protesters” want that. So how do you rectify that with a republic?

We have a one party system in the US with two "opposing" wings.

The situation in Seattle is under control. It's up to the city and the State how to handle their situation.

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Baddogma
It strikes me as odd when conspiracy theorists side with a government that is violent, fascistic, untruthful and corrupt. Before whataboutisms, let me be clear that both parties are guilty and corrupt.

A bunch of kids (even if some are imported by foreign governments) have set up a zone where there's no organized arm of control and the old weirdos freak out and insinuate they should be shot as an example? What are you doing on a famous conspiracy site, then?

Is love of country now tied to rule by force? Remember way back when the citizens of the U.S. hated government for the eons of repression and murder they had committed throughout that thing called history? We tell ourselves we govern ourselves, but then some of us wish for rule by jackboot?

Priceless.

This hasn’t been a conspiracy site in a while. This is now a right wing authoritarian site. Just a bunch of people wishing for big government to crush people they disagree with.

Just look at the comments on this thread. People are actually wanting the government to kill its citizens because they don’t agree with their politics. You want a conspiracy? How about the conspiracy subculture in the U.S. being high jacked and turned into government authoritarians.

Nah, I’m sure that doesn’t have anything to do with the government.

That's where you are wrong as usual. No one wants anyone killed because they believe in a different political philosophy, kidnappers and terrorists don't deserve to breathe oxygen though. The US is not a communist state, there's no reason to tear down our Republic in order to establish a socialist/communist government. That is not what we're about and it's not going to happen. Mark my words on that.

The humanitarian approach for these assholes expired when they started rioting and looting. It is no longer a protest for poor Floyd. They hijacked his wrongful death sentiment to further their own agenda of hating America. Now, it is get out of here, or we are coming in after you. Not showing force when force is expected and due is weakness. The real citizens of this country have relied on the power of this government as testimony we are here and we have due evidence that weakness breeds even more insurrection. Mr. President, take care of business.

From a page or two back. You might want to read the thread before making such an asinine statement.

This entire site is filled with people chomping at the bit for the government to use force against people like this. To deny that is self imposed ignorance at best, and straight up lying at worst.

I just seriously saw Tucker Carlson call my friend Raz Simone a “warlord”. Jesus Christ.

And I bet most of the people here believe that crap too. If you want to find out what he really is, find his Facebook and watch his livestream that he has going throughout all of this.

Is this really any different than sections of Chicago or LA controlled by street gangs?

originally posted by: carewemust
Look at Seattle mayor with Chris "Fredo" Cuomo on CNN last night.

twitter.com...

"The CHAZ zone is just a big block party Chris!"

That's the problem. The local officials who should be on the front lines dealing with is are aiding and abetting by lumping it under the umbrella of "peaceful protest". It's like they ignored the pitched battle/seige between cops and Nat. Guard and the same protest groups and the 3rd precinct building in the middle of the CHAZ before they (the same local officials) ordered the cops to withdraw.

Not sure how that was "peaceful".

Additionally, at what level does it cease to become "peaceful protest"? At the rate they're going, these same local officials could call the secession of the entire South prior to the Civil War "peaceful protest" too. And in that case, the actual people of those states did vote for it.

originally posted by: underwerks
I just seriously saw Tucker Carlson call my friend Raz Simone a “warlord”. Jesus Christ.

And I bet most of the people here believe that crap too. If you want to find out what he really is, find his Facebook and watch his livestream that he has going throughout all of this.

And Kim Jong-Il is a great guy. Just go look at his personal propaganda stream!

My goodness, this should be easy. Unless they are hold people hostage and not allowing them to leave, set-up a barrier out side theirs. Turn off power, cell phone, sewer and water.

Deliver bland stuff like beans and plain water - no coffee.

Within a few days most of the kids and peaceful people will leave. Then pull the few people still there.

Now, if they are hold people hostage, that's a whole other matter.

a reply to: Daughter2

Given the number of people inside the zone who were otherwise caught up in it. It would be a simple enough matter for them to close their borders and start doing it since they have suddenly decided that borders are good when we're talking about *their* borders.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: HalWesten

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Baddogma
It strikes me as odd when conspiracy theorists side with a government that is violent, fascistic, untruthful and corrupt. Before whataboutisms, let me be clear that both parties are guilty and corrupt.

A bunch of kids (even if some are imported by foreign governments) have set up a zone where there's no organized arm of control and the old weirdos freak out and insinuate they should be shot as an example? What are you doing on a famous conspiracy site, then?

Is love of country now tied to rule by force? Remember way back when the citizens of the U.S. hated government for the eons of repression and murder they had committed throughout that thing called history? We tell ourselves we govern ourselves, but then some of us wish for rule by jackboot?

Priceless.

This hasn’t been a conspiracy site in a while. This is now a right wing authoritarian site. Just a bunch of people wishing for big government to crush people they disagree with.

Just look at the comments on this thread. People are actually wanting the government to kill its citizens because they don’t agree with their politics. You want a conspiracy? How about the conspiracy subculture in the U.S. being high jacked and turned into government authoritarians.

Nah, I’m sure that doesn’t have anything to do with the government.

That's where you are wrong as usual. No one wants anyone killed because they believe in a different political philosophy, kidnappers and terrorists don't deserve to breathe oxygen though. The US is not a communist state, there's no reason to tear down our Republic in order to establish a socialist/communist government. That is not what we're about and it's not going to happen. Mark my words on that.

The humanitarian approach for these assholes expired when they started rioting and looting. It is no longer a protest for poor Floyd. They hijacked his wrongful death sentiment to further their own agenda of hating America. Now, it is get out of here, or we are coming in after you. Not showing force when force is expected and due is weakness. The real citizens of this country have relied on the power of this government as testimony we are here and we have due evidence that weakness breeds even more insurrection. Mr. President, take care of business.

From a page or two back. You might want to read the thread before making such an asinine statement.

This entire site is filled with people chomping at the bit for the government to use force against people like this. To deny that is self imposed ignorance at best, and straight up lying at worst.

Speaking of asinine statements...

I said nobody wants anyone killed for their political beliefs. I don't understand why you are hell-bent in distorting what people say to make a point. You can't speak the truth from what I've seen of your comments so you purposely skew what others say.

Looters don't deserve to die for their crimes but they do deserve to be prosecuted and jailed. Rioters - that's up for discussion, they should be ready for any legal methods to stop them.

For Trump the whole situation is a boon:

1. He can state that Antifa is fighting the fascism inherent in the Democratic Party by taking and establishing the CHAZ area.
2. He can say the Mayor and Governor are doing nothing to stop it due to Democrat Guilt of fascism being inherent in the party.
3. If and when they do request his help, it is because they needed Trump to fix their problems and failure like all Democrats do.

Win-win-win for Trump.

a reply to: Fallingdown


Ummm...nuke it from orbit...?

Set up a lock tight perimeter...to include air...

I think like a few other posters have stated...cut the cell towers and internet...turn off the electricity...turn off the water...

Embargo the place so no food or water gets shipped or smuggled in...

Then arrest them all as they flee...

Should take about two weeks at the most...



The quick way is to send in the troops and clear...building by building...







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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: HalWesten

I don’t about strong or weak. But “abandoning” citizens in the “occupied” area is definitely the wrong thing to do. By all levels of government.

The Police Chief for Seattle was in the area on Thursday, reviewing the situation in preparation for reopening the East Precinct. Also, many of the businesses in the area are supporting the protests.

That said, there are issues. The roving gangs of thugs that are exhorting citizens has to stop.

Source

Sorry. A one party system should never be a serious choice. And may of the “protesters” want that. So how do you rectify that with a republic?

We have a one party system in the US with two "opposing" wings.

The situation in Seattle is under control. It's up to the city and the State how to handle their situation.

The US has a constitution. That is not the same as a “one” party system.

A one-party state, single-party state, one-party system, or single-party system is a type of state in which one political party has the right to form the government, usually based on the existing constitution.[1] All other parties are either outlawed or allowed to take only a limited and controlled participation in elections. Sometimes the term de facto one-party state is used to describe a dominant-party system that, unlike the one-party state, allows (at least nominally) democratic multiparty elections, but the existing practices or balance of political power effectively prevent the opposition from winning the elections.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: HalWesten

I don’t about strong or weak. But “abandoning” citizens in the “occupied” area is definitely the wrong thing to do. By all levels of government.

The Police Chief for Seattle was in the area on Thursday, reviewing the situation in preparation for reopening the East Precinct. Also, many of the businesses in the area are supporting the protests.

That said, there are issues. The roving gangs of thugs that are exhorting citizens has to stop.

Source

Sorry. A one party system should never be a serious choice. And may of the “protesters” want that. So how do you rectify that with a republic?

We have a one party system in the US with two "opposing" wings.

The situation in Seattle is under control. It's up to the city and the State how to handle their situation.

That is your opinion only. There are more than two political parties in our country. I would hardly say the Seattle issue is under control. Part of the city is under control of occupiers, illegally, and you support that. Bravo! Your communist state is under construction! But you're correct, it is up to the city and state to deal with the criminal occupiers - unless they are violating the rights of home and business owners. Don't forget, rights go both ways.