Dr. Anthony Fauci's ex-employee, was jailed, finally tells all.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Know what tanstaafl i wish it was that simple.

Somehow i imagine the COVID 19 is somewhat more of a complex animal to contend with all the same.

As it stands Vitamin C has long been promoted in alternative medicine as a treatment for the common cold, cancer, polio, and various other illnesses, and yet plenty of those very same people who placed their faith in such still died from there conditions, forsaking other medical procedures and drugs that may have saved there lives.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: tanstaafl

Know what tanstaafl i wish it was that simple.

It actually is that simple.

Somehow i imagine the COVID 19 is somewhat more of a complex animal to contend with all the same.

Somehow I imagine the reality is not subject to your or my or anyone else's imagination.

As it stands Vitamin C has long been promoted in alternative medicine as a treatment for the common cold, cancer, polio, and various other illnesses, and yet plenty of those very same people who placed their faith in such still died from there conditions, forsaking other medical procedures and drugs that may have saved there lives.

Yes, that is indeed what the naysayers claim, with zero actual evidence to back it up.

Feel free to disregard the knowledge you have been given, there is no requirement that you believe it.

a reply to: silo13
Here it is:

It was filmed in 2005.

One of the comments from 2008 says it was field tested in 2007.

I am having trouble working out whether it is in the virus itself or in a vaccine.....can you let me know what conclusion you come to please?

a reply to: tanstaafl

Well, ile still feel free to drink plenty of OJ and eat fruit put it that way.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: PapaBoogaloo
She regularly collaborates with anti-vaxxers. She regularly speaks at conferences attended by anti-vaxxers.

She is against forced vaccinations. You know, that special kind of tyranny that pro-vaxxers are so in favor of.

She believes that diseases like Autism are caused by vaccines. If that doesn't make her an anti-vaxxer then I clearly don't know what an anti-vaxxer is.

An anti-vaxxer is probably very far from what you think they are.

I have repeatedly said that I actually believe that they could make a vaccine that was both safe and (reasonably) effective, but that I simply do not trust the ones pushing them - especially those who are pushing for forced vaccinations at gunpoint. But that clarification is simply dismissed - by those who otherwise claim to be against the coming tyranny (globalists, NWO, whatever you want to call it) - and I am, in their eyes, just 'an anti-vaxxer'.

This goes out to all of you:

# your 'new normal'.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: tanstaafl

Know what tanstaafl i wish it was that simple.

Somehow i imagine the COVID 19 is somewhat more of a complex animal to contend with all the same.

As it stands Vitamin C has long been promoted in alternative medicine as a treatment for the common cold, cancer, polio, and various other illnesses, and yet plenty of those very same people who placed their faith in such still died from there conditions, forsaking other medical procedures and drugs that may have saved there lives.

andy06shake,

In the same context, I note that Thousands of people placed their faith in the ventilators and medicines that did not work and they died from their conditions, forsaking naturopathic and/or other natural procedures [fasting, herbal teas, and/or dietary inclusion of fresh orange juice, sea and land plants, fresh air, water, sunshine, social company, etc] that may have saved their lives.

Also, I question the type of Vitamin C that has been used as an alternative medicine. I would assume the Vitamin C has been some laboratory concoction [identical to the real thing huh ?] or some pasteurized version of the real thing, as opposed to the fresh, raw variety with the live enzymes.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: PapaBoogaloo

And North Korea Korea call themself a Democratic Republic. That doesn't make it so.

She regularly collaborates with anti-vaxxers. She regularly speaks at conferences attended by anti-vaxxers. She believes that diseases like Autism are caused by vaccines. If that doesn't make her an anti-vaxxer then I clearly don't know what an anti-vaxxer is.

Xcalibur254,

Actually, Dr. Mikovits stated that she does not believe Autism is caused by vaccines; but rather, that Autism is associated with vaccines.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
just a PSA - for people who dont know how it works :

there are several metrics - for determining how important a scientists work is [ and how important it is regarded in the scientific comunity . but for brevity 2 are a good stance :

1 - awards recieved

2 - citations of thier work by others

ignorant_ape,

In my opinion, and from my viewpoint, many people can graduate and obtain a degree; but a degree does not validate that the person is (for example), a valued scientist. Rather, the (success of failure) history of one’s work is a better indication of a learned and accomplished scientist, than a mere graduation diploma and/or a support team of partners giving awards to each other.
Consider those ‘scientists’ who cheated their way through school? Or how about having one’s parent’s PAY to have their [uninterested-in-learning] child obtain a degree?

I view fauci as a false profit.
Now, there was a time, not too long ago,
back in the day, in the U.S.A.
that when a medicine man failed to deliver the promise of his elixor
sometimes the townsmen would cause the ‘medical’ man
to be stripped to his undergarments, tarred and feathered
and run out of town on the rail.
However, I understand that times change…

Falsie predicted or 'cautioned' a death toll that turned out to be incredulously over-blown and inaccurate.
He was WRONG.
And HIS ERROR has influenced the job loss of 36 million Americans and has influenced a slow destruction of the American economy, along with the harm to other countries.

So, the proof, the history of falsie's accomplishments do not merit any citation or award that I can fathom.

Or is ok [ ? ] because false fauci is proclaimed as one of the America’s top and ‘noted’ scientists, just because he graduated [cough] and has received numerous accolades from organizations and countries [who are understandably also his Vaccine supporters / partners / associates].

And if I am to believe the local informants, Senior Guzman also earned many accolades from his associates and organizations, and he also earned a lot of support from other countries.

Mr Guzman and false fauci have both peddled drugs.
One is in jail and the other one should be.

Ol’ faucie reminds me of a side show carnie,
but in reality, he’s just a fear-mongering pus ‘n poison peddler.

a reply to: CupcakeKarma

why was that a " reply to " me - when it did not address anything i actually wrote ???????????????????????

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: CupcakeKarma

why was that a " reply to " me - when it did not address anything i actually wrote ???????????????????????

ignorant_ape,

My response was addressed as a reply to you, so yes.
Your earlier posted comment was:

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
there are several metrics - for determining how important a scientists work is [ and how important it is regarded in the scientific comunity . but for brevity 2 are a good stance :
1 - awards recieved
2 - citations of thier work by others

You post insinuates that false fauci graduated and has received accolades from his vaccine support group and
::::: THEREFORE :::::
(according to your definition)
False fauci is a scientist of value, and is regarded with importance.

I disagree, as I stated in my last post.

False fauci is a fear monger, peddling bloated, WRONG death rates that crippled an American economy.

And I do not find the HISTORY of his accomplishments to be of any value other than the fortune he has made as a peddler of pus ‘n poison vaccines that have killed and injured children and the general public.

Thus, the similarity between the two drug peddlers,
Senior Guzman, street drug czar in prison.
False fauci, medical drug czar SHOULD BE in prison.

It's good to see families who have lost loved ones speaking up, and explaining what's going on.

twitter.com...

a reply to: CupcakeKarma

I see Fauci as the Pied Piper of the CDC. Some of the masses are hypnotized by the fear, you can see it in their eyes.

Another link to the Plandemic movie can still be found on Brighteon. The censorship and deformation campaign going on against Dr. Judy Mikovits is quite consistent with many other whistle blowers. It does make me wonder what fire is going on here with all this smoke around.

Coronavirus War Room Ep19 (with Dr. Judy Mikovits) by Dr. Paul Cottrell


This is a long 3 hour interview recently done in which Judy talks a lot about the work she has done and some of the issues currently getting thrown around. For my take, it was her work with XMRV's that set the establishment against her. From my current understanding these are genetic zoological contaminants present in the current vaccination development process. For this work to be accepted it will require finding different growth mediums and cause a lot of upset to current vaccination standards.

We all know and accept that vaccinations do have some problems and risks. It is a very troubling scientific culture that is emerging where any questions, study and exposure of these risks is meet with professional ostracism. How do we get to safer vaccinations without clarification and addressing these risks?

Overall Judy does appear to be a hard lady to work alongside with strong standards and principles in a complex environment, not surprised she has upset a lot of people. I am not an immunologist and in a position to either validate or deny all of her claims. One the surface she appears to be a smart lady that has done her homework, lot of common sense with what she does talk about.

This is complex science where strong debate is healthy and actual evidence critical. When more stringent methods are used to personally attack and silence an individual rather that addressing uncomfortable facts, it brings up many lost opportunities like what happened with Dr Li Wenliang.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

That is a strange video, a LARPP is one thing that comes to mind. Some of those questions, would kinda expect it at the pentagon I guess.

Anyway, it if is legit or somewhat accurate it does present a deep capability in bio warfare. Being able to specifically design a virus that can genetically alter one's DNA at a highly targeted site that affects religious perceptions. Not too surprised that someone would at least try such folly. Just what can be possible once enough is known of the genetic language and how to write in it? It is a tough one with lots of chemistry and biology going on.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Here it is:

Again?

Apologies for bumping an old thread, but I just found the original image that the fake brain scan was based on, and it was from 2010, which proves the video is a hoax.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is a link to the paper that is causing some of this stink.

Detection of an infectious retrovirus, XMRV, in blood cells of patients with chronic fatigue syndrome

In October 2009, we reported the first direct isolation of infectious xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV). In that study, we used a combination of biological amplification and molecular enhancement techniques to detect XMRV in more than 75% of 101 patients with chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). Since our report, controversy arose after the publication of several studies that failed to detect XMRV infection in their CFS patient populations. In this addenda, we further detail the multiple detection methods we used in order to observe XMRV infection in our CFS cohort. Our results indicate that PCR from DNA of unstimulated peripheral blood mononuclear cells is the least sensitive method for detection of XMRV in subjects' blood. We advocate the use of more than one type of assay in order to determine the frequency of XMRV infection in patient cohorts in future studies of the relevance of XMRV to human disease.

a reply to: kwakakev


So, they were wrong?
sciencebasedmedicine.org...

a reply to: Phage

So, they were wrong?

Yes, No, Maybe, I don't know. Head a bit fuzzy trying to understand it all, recognize some words and concepts.

Sounds like XMRVs are difficult to detect with only trace elements mixed in with all the other genetic materials. Chronic fatigue covers a lot of things, expect many causes. Having some unwanted gunk in the blood does not help.

The case for the presence of these compounds is quite clear from the production process for some vaccinations. Just what are they exactly, what they do and what can be done about is unclear. Has there been a fair and balanced investigation of just what can of worms this may open? I guess this line of study may not be for everyone. It would be nice to see the vaccination industry a bit more proactive about these sorts of questions rather than the dismissive action that has clearly been taken.

I guess people on the edge of science build there own views and understandings of just what is going on. Trying to explain it and share it with others can difficult, lots of conflicts. Judy does appear confident and stands by her work. It does come across that there is something to her work, as for all the technicalities and neatly pinning it all down still needs some more work. I guess time will eventually work it all out, hopefully. Just how close she was, what parts needed a little refinement.

With all the conflict going on it sounds like there is still room for further study if people are willing to take it on. For those funding this research can the results negatively impact there income and bring along a whole load of headaches? Can a safer and more appropriate vaccination be found at the end of the tunnel?

a reply to: Phage
Yeah I read in the comments it was fake.......but
one comment was a link to this video (turn English captions on).

What do you make of this:

a reply to: Phage

Tried giving the paper another take and one thing that sticks out:

The high degree of similarity to xenotropic murine leukemia virus suggests that a cross-species transmission event was likely involved in the evolution of XMRV.

A big part of this study is how mouse DNA affects our white blood cells. One criticism of the study is how cross contamination of mouse DNA has taken place. The response was there is something there, but it is not mouse DNA. Hmmm....

Maybe there are too many people working on this paper, maybe I am reading it wrong. Maybe every one is just stumbling through the dark the best they can with what they have got.