Covid response is a failure in the US

originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
Maybe we should measure our response to this virus not in lives or money lost, but in how we maintain our identity as a free nation in the face of this challenge. We can't guarantee anyone life, everyone dies eventually. Our "money" is smoke and mirrors and manipulated by international bankers. The only thing we can really leave future generations are the same rights and freedoms we had, assuming we don't give them up.

How many lives is acceptable to lose?

How many of your loved ones and friends are you prepared to lose?

All lives are already lost, it's just a matter of time. No one alive today will be here 200 years from now. Not me, my family, loved ones, friends, enemies, no one. At my age, I like to think I'm prepared when I lose another loved one, but it never seems to work out that way. They die anyway, and some day so will I.

We could all self quarantine to the max and maybe prevent a few deaths due to coronovirus, only to have these people die later of a heart attack, car accident, or whatever. If we give up our rights, maybe some people will live a few years longer.

Rights are another matter. I'd like to think that 200 years from now Americans will still have the right to say whatever they believe is true, the right to bear arms, right to privacy, etc. But one thing almost as certain as death: once a government takes away a right from the people, the people never get that right back without bloodshed.

I recognize that our Constitutional Republic may not be the form of government best suited to handle pandemics. A dictatorship would be more effective. But pandemic or no, I wouldn't want to live under a dictatorship, and I wouldn't want future generations to have to live under one either.

So how many deaths would be acceptable to preserve our rights? Well, I can't give an exact number. But you could start by totaling all the lives lost in the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, the Civil War, World War I and World War II. We've already sacrificed that many lives for the rights we have today.

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originally posted by: TonyS
Rather than mandating compulsory testing prior to a persons release from home into public,

Can I choose to die rather than live in a country that locks you in your own home and forces you to undergo medical procedures if you desire to leave it?

Cause that would be my choice.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I can't speak for the UK, but I do know, if you died in a car accindent in the states, right now. . . you'd be dead due to Covid.

Not that I agree with the OP in putting all the blame on Trump because that's just bloody silly, but I've seen you and quite a few others here throwing around the "all deaths are being counted as covid-19" argument a lot recently, but have yet to actually see any proof.

Could you provide a source that clearly shows that everyone dying from car crashes/shootings/etc are being counted as covid-19 deaths? Or is that just another wildly inaccurate conclusion made based of something said by someone which you didn't understand properly?

a reply to: DanDanDat

I just had a thought with regards to what will happen in the future , with regards to the most likely outcome to the present situation. Twenty million unemployed with no money to feed themselves or their children. Food rioting and looting will be a most likely outcome. If the National guard and police shoot to kill then it can be assumed to be a planned predicted event tantamount to a culling. With nothing to do with a virus , but everything to do with an economic reset, which will get eighty per cent of the population ready and willing to work for less wages. Or to work for food.

a reply to: Navieko

Actually there’s a thread about it

a reply to: Gothmog

That's total BS.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978
he doesn't care. He has an election to win.

I heard he had staff work on ways to inflate his effective response to the virus while down playing all the mistakes and providing him with a plethora of victims to blame.
He should recruit a few folks from here to write it for him.
The spin doctors seeing to his apotheosis. St. Donald the devine.

a reply to: underwerks

That sounds like the making of a really great thread.
Do you want to start it?
I suck at starting threads.

a reply to: carewemust

Funny I saw a chart that puts it up there with cancer and heart disease.
Neither of which I might point out are contagious!

You know there's not much of a market for Monday Morning Quarterbacks.

Really no market at all

Have to keep moving forward learn from out mistakes and move forward.

Always hated management that couldn't move forward without punishing someone for the past.

They generally didn't last too long

a reply to: DBCowboy
Unassuming the dude in the bed next to the guy who tested positive who displayed Covid symptoms and declined rapidly died from Covid isn't really inflating the numbers.
It's not like they are including accident victims or gun shot wounds or people who died in house fires. The people died of Covid symptoms but because of a shortage of tests, or testing supplies, they were not confirmed.
Let's just stop the nonsense. The numbers are scary high and climbing.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Your not paying any attention but we're used to that. In Michigan if you die and get tested and your positive then you have died from the China flu. Any connection is being used.

A lot of times a Coroner will just say Natural Causes. Now it's Natural Causes with POSSIBLE China Flu. Doesn't have to be confirmed.

Anyway

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: DBCowboy
Unassuming the dude in the bed next to the guy who tested positive who displayed Covid symptoms and declined rapidly died from Covid isn't really inflating the numbers.
It's not like they are including accident victims or gun shot wounds or people who died in house fires. The people died of Covid symptoms but because of a shortage of tests, or testing supplies, they were not confirmed.
Let's just stop the nonsense. The numbers are scary high and climbing.

And just because you can make things up like DeBlasio doesn't make it true.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Trump did the right thing. He's letting the States and governor's succeed or fail on their own.



That's not leadership

That's okay. He's not "letting" them either.
That power was never his to begin with.
Which is why he has backed off that claim.

He never could handle it so letting the grownups handle it was his only choice.

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: DBCowboy

Panic pants? I’m not panicking, I’m telling you it isn’t a nothing burger. The world isn’t coming to an end, but your downplaying is straight ignorant.

This isn't even down playing. It's outright denial.