But our needs

Why do you feel that your rights must be respected during a pandemic ?

It's more than a little self entitled to assert your rights in the current circumstances . . Why ?

People have needs, and needs come before rights . You have needs , the same as ours.

We need , to have a lockdown , because people need , to stay healthy , and they need , to stay alive .

They need , to go to work and play in a safe environment. They need , an uncontaminated world.

And therefore , we need , to help contain a deadly threat to people's needs in life. Everyone's needs . Literally everyone , the whole world , because of the pandemic , which is everywhere at once. Of which you've been informed in full.

Do you have a right to ignore the whole world's needs ? No .

Your rights , given you by free society anyway , do end when certain shared needs of society, including yours , are more important.

Your rights are of less importance your needs , and the general needs , at the moment , are greater than your individual rights.

These are general society's needs , not anyone in particulars needs. It's not like its one person saying they need your rights from you. But all our needs are more important. Than your rights . Get used to it.

They're your needs too. You need to live in healthy environment right ? You need to stay alive , don't you ? You need to take this advice then .

All our needs are more important than just your rights. Just for the time being. Although it doesn't look good that before time , you probably had no regard for that fact either .

So , our needs , your needs .

Are your needs met for now ? It's assumed they are or you wouldn't be bemoaning your temporary loss of some of your rights. You d be complaining about your needs instead , if they weren't met , and we re certain of that. You'd forget about rights if your needs weren't met . Straight away.

That's why it's expected of you only make necessary journeys , only absolutely necessary ones.

So it's suggested you go home , stay there , and you still have a right to do that don't you. And take care not to infect others with coronavirus , or get infected yourself. It's very easy to be infected because nobody has any initial immunity to pandemic diseases . We need you to listen .

We need you to listen and if you don't , you'll immediately have less rights , and if you take this spoiled and rather overentitled abusive behaviour any further we LL have a further need , to teach you a lesson. And you'll need to learn it.

It starts with a fine of certain sum , and then after that if you don't recognise your error in asserting your rights over everyone's needs , you'll be going into custody , where you'll learn that you don't have a right to disagree with the way things are .

So , you need to respect our needs . And if you think you have a right not to , you're asking for condemnation.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

Rights are not subjective or situationally unique to each individual, needs are subjective... that is why Rights must have primacy always.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

Because I am not your keeper and it is not my job to keep you bubble-wrapped, that's YOUR job to accomplish. Asking anything else of others for excessive protection is inherently more selfish than us asking you to mind yourself and let us carry on.

What is so hard to understand about that?

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

People have a right to go provide for themselves.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: DoctorBluechip

People have a right to go provide for themselves.

Yep they also have a need to survive.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

I have a need.

I need people to respect my space and stay 6 feet away...
But everyday.....they don't.

Even if I back away,they step forward and infringe on my right to stay healthy.

If the first amendment was suspended.

You might not be able to say that with out repercussions .

Should we suspend that too?

Or should we just suspend the right you agree with ?

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

And your ignoring the mental strain of the lockdowns and the economic collapse...

Researchers warn the COVID-19 lockdown will take its own toll on health
www.reuters.com...


Now, three weeks after the United States and other countries took sweeping suppression steps that could last months or more, some public health specialists are exploring a different consequence of the mass shutdown: the thousands of deaths likely to arise unrelated to the disease

150,000 Brits will die an 'avoidable death' during coronavirus pandemic through depression, domestic violence and suicides

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Predictions for 'indirect' coronavirus deaths could surpass those of COVID-19
The pandemic is expected to have a knock-on effect on people's mental health
Charities have recorded spikes in helplines from domestic abuse victims

If your this fearful of a natural process related to over population, you go lock yourself in your basement. Let other people live.

a reply to: Darkblade71

Then don’t go out in public. Have groceries delivered to your home. We have the technology.

And stop treating people as if they are unclean. They are just people trying to make there way in life. Like you.

a reply to: neutronflux

I work grocery.

I have to be there.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: DoctorBluechip

People have a right to go provide for themselves.

Yep they also have a need to survive.

Then you stay home!

Define survival. Do they have a right not to be subjected to acts of god/nature. Do individuals have a right to not be subjected to tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes, the Spanish flu?

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

You sound like the kind of person that would turn someone in to the authorities for hiding jews in their attic.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: DoctorBluechip

People have a right to go provide for themselves.

Yep they also have a need to survive.

Then you stay home!

Define survival. Do they have a right not to be subjected to acts of god/nature. Do individuals have a right to no be subjected to tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes, the Spanish flu?

That's a spectular miss the point you have going on there.

The people in the city that can't hunt for food that are restricted by the city limits and laws how exactly do they provide for themselves?

a reply to: MachineMan

The herd abides dude.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: DoctorBluechip

Rights are not subjective or situationally unique to each individual, needs are subjective... that is why Rights must have primacy always.

Well no , it's the complete opposite , and that's the point being made .

Everyone needs to drink water , that is hardly situationally unique .

Everyone needs to stay alive too .

Rights can be and often are used as a means of abuse ( eg entitled behaviours)
Needs , having actual needs , is never a means or a reason for abuse

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It’s call modern living, and having a job is providing.

Some people that think people that evaluate the dangers of vaccines are stupid? Funny many of those people live in highly populated areas ripe for a Virus do to living in unnatural conditions? I think living one on top of each other is stupid and unhealthy.

And I asked you a specific question.

Then you stay home!

Define survival. Do they have a right not to be subjected to acts of god/nature. Do individuals have a right to not be subjected to tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes, the Spanish flu?

Your survival is your responsibility. And it’s others responsibility to provide for themselves.

And your totally missing the damage to mental health caused by the lockdown which is not natural. Death is normal and natural.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

There is so much wrong with your reasoning and logic that I could cry.

First and foremost, our rights are not granted by man, and cannot be taken by man. They can only be abused by man, because our rights come from our Creator. Natural Rights from Nature and Nature's God. Self evident -- in other words, what you can do for yourself and by yourself is your right. Your God-given absolute and inalienable Natural Rights, as declared (not granted -- declared) in the Declaration of Independence, and part of our Organic Law.

Hence, you and I have every right to do what we can for ourselves and by ourselves (and with other consenting adults) to protect our health and well being. You and I have every right to nurse, nurture and sustain our bodies as we see fit.

You and I have no right to put anyone else into any position that they do not want to be, and do not need to be, to protect ourselves.

You and I have no right to put others in harm's way to protect the few who may be susceptible to worst case scenarios. And yes, we are putting EVERYONE into precarious situations -- one way or another -- with these shutdowns.

Nor are you and I responsible if someone contracts an illness from us and their body is unable to fight it's adverse effects, including fatal complications. You and I are not responsible if someone else has not taken care of their body properly and put themselves into a vulnerable position. You and I are not responsible if someone else has a pre-existing condition -- through no fault of their own -- and are susceptible to severe complications.

No one has the right to live forever. Life is a temporary situation. As you must know.

We need you to listen and if you don't , you'll immediately have less rights , and if you take this spoiled and rather overentitled abusive behaviour any further we LL have a further need , to teach you a lesson. And you'll need to learn it.

Those are fighting words. As in revolutionary fighting words. Spoiled and entitled? Excuse me??? I'm not asking for a damn thing from you or anyone else except respect to do for myself and by myself. I owe you absolutely nothing, and anything and everything I give you is from the goodness of my heart, making it an especially nice gesture on my part.

If you need a kidney, are you going to demand mine? How about my heart? Do you somehow deserve it more than I do?

Be very careful what you wish for... and what you demand.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

Everyone needs to stay alive too .

Really? Are you sure you don't want to re-think this???

So if I don't catch the Corona cooties, I'll stay alive forever? I'll be immortal? I'll live forever?

Forget me, are you going to live forever? Is anyone going to live forever???

ETA:

Rights can be and often are used as a means of abuse...

No. It is impossible to abuse anyone else by exercising one's rights, because my rights include only what I can do for myself and by myself. It does not include doing anything to anyone else. I have no right to do anything to anyone... except other consenting adults. And no obligation to do anything for anyone.

a reply to: DoctorBluechip

Let me ask YOU a question.

and I quote.."Why do you feel that your rights must be respected during a pandemic ?

a reply to: neutronflux

When the means to survival is literally shut down then what?