Corona Virus Updates Part 6

a reply to: Rich Z

So these were not STRICTLY CONTROLLED tests at all.

Yes, they were.
Maybe you should look up what the word "controls" mean when it come to science. The trials were controlled. The dependent variable was the effect of the vaccine on severity of infection. The placebo would be an independent variable. Confounding variables would be age and gender, for example.

www.nlm.nih.gov...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Rich Z

So these were not STRICTLY CONTROLLED tests at all.

Yes, they were.
Maybe you should look up what the word "controls" mean when it come to science. The trials were controlled. The dependent variable was the effect of the vaccine on severity of infection. The placebo would be an independent variable. Confounding variables would be age and gender, for example.

www.nlm.nih.gov...

But apparently not much else beyond half were given the vaccine and the other half a placebo was controlled. Variables that were apparently excluded were actual exposure to the wild virus concerning length of exposure, source of exposure, method and type of exposure, and which variant of the virus they were exposed to. Yeah, perhaps there were "controls" but apparently not all of them really controlled anything that mattered when the beans were counted. Appears to me that the participants were even allowed freedom of choice at various levels that could have influenced the likelihood of exposure and therefore the statistical outcome of the "success" rate claimed by the pharmaceutical companies.

Of course, it is all just idle speculation and we can all just trust the pharmaceutical companies, can't we? After all, it is their skin in the game, isn't it? Oh, heck, no it isn't...

a reply to: Rich Z

Appears to me that the participants were even allowed freedom of choice at various levels that could have influenced the likelihood of exposure and therefore the statistical outcome of the "success" rate claimed by the pharmaceutical companies

Sort of like people do when they go out and about their business on a typical day?

You might be interested in looking into subsequent studies though, with health care workers and such like. "In the wild" and suchlike. Data does continue to accumulate.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

That's an interesting apparent contradiction you found, and I wouldn't rule out some political motivations behind the ambiguous language.

Thank god! Thought i might be losing the plot and seeing weirdness where there wasn't any. Glad you see it too.

I agree that this is purely politically motivated. Whether or not we've definitively had 2 or 3 waves in the UK, the salient point is that government and media where calling the January wave the 3rd. Now they're suddenly calling the next wave the 3rd. It's convenient for the government to have deleted a wave from the national memory.

It's no shock that this habitually lying government has lied again. But what really disturbs me about this instance is the enormous size of the lie, how the msm all appear to have gone along with it without question and the total absence of anyone pointing this out. I'd expect to see the usual anti-tory activists screaming this on social media, as they do every detail, every day. But nothing - not a peep!

They say that if you're gonna lie, tell a big lie and this proves the wisdom of that. It can't have gone unnoticed in downing street and beyond that this odd psyop has worked extremely easily, so you have to wonder what they'll be emboldened to pull next.

originally posted by: McGinty

It's no shock that this habitually lying government has lied again. But what really disturbs me about this instance is the enormous size of the lie, how the msm all appear to have gone along with it without question and the total absence of anyone pointing this out.

Perhaps everything changed when, post Panama Papers, May sent in the goons to smash up Guardian servers that contained info about her husband's dodgy investments and tax avoiding activities?

a reply to: McGinty

You're not losing the plot my friend
As 'your therapist' I can say you are of perfect mind....can't comment on your body though



Rainbows
Jane

AstraZeneca 's coronavirus vaccine plausibly linked to rare brain clots, European regulators say

I'll Stick with my Immune system - God Bless "T" Cells

The European Medicines Agency said it is reminding health-care professionals and people receiving the vaccine to “remain aware” of the possibility of very rare cases of blood clots combined with low levels of blood platelets occurring within two weeks of vaccination.

So far, most of the cases reported have occurred in women under 60 years of age, the regulator said, but it said it still has been unable to work out if particular groups were more at risk than others.

Its EXPERIMENTAL after all

a reply to: St Udio

follow up of my last post:

More Vaccine Problems

This latest news from the US also highlights one of the fundamental problems which those promoting the idea of mass vaccinations routinely avoid: the fact that the COVID vaccine does not actually prevent infection of the virus, nor does it prevent those who are vaccinated from further spreading the virus.

Even the vaccine manufacturers along with numerous leading science journals – have all admitted that their experimental corporate vaccine product may only reduce or mask severe symptoms in certain cases, and do not prevent vaccine recipients from potentially becoming ‘silent spreaders’ of the virus.

21stcenturywire.com...

Still EXPERIMENTAL
Wonder Whats Next ?

COVID toes, Moderna arm, all-body rash: Vaccines can cause skin reactions but aren't dangerous, study says

Safe and Effective - Your God Given Immune System - ETA - At least mine is

Getting COVID-19 can cause all manner of odd skin reactions. A new study finds some of them, including COVID toes, a measleslike rash and shingles also can be rare, and thankfully brief, side effects of getting the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines.

Brief ... lol

So another update on the evidence based research
and interesting look at the WHO badly presented data.



They are so badly presenting the data as their own data contradicts their statement.

so many stories coming out now in the media about the effects people are having after taking the vaccine. Just today I think i read 5 different articles in the Daily Mail online. 2 were about blood clots and 1 was about women having early periods and longer periods than usual.

I still havn't had a vaccine and am really doubting their safety now more than before... who knows what the vaccine is doing to male and female bodies in the long term??

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

Frankly, if you haven't had an adverse reaction in the first 2-4 weeks, then you most likely won't get one at all.
Allergic reactions are usually, very quick to show up, this blood clot thing isn't an allergic reaction, but seems to be a bodily/immune reaction maybe (I am not a Doctor by a long shot).

I haven't read of any adverse reactions over a month after the jab, and iirc, the Blood clot thing is within two weeks.
Correct me if i'm wrong. Not had much time to read during the day, or the evenings lately.

The way they are going about reassuring about the Astrazenica jab, isn't very reassuring though.
Wheeling out 'Famous People' to say "Look, i've had it, and you should have it too" is a bit condescending, and makes a lot of people even more weary of it.
Actors and Influencers are just that, why the hell should I listen to a word they say ?

Doctors getting it and saying its fine (and proving it), that's something else, but that would take time (about a month i would think), with daily video updates as proof.

In the end, it's up to everyone to make the choice for themselves whether to have a jab, which jab, or none at all.

If I had the choice today, I would get the Pfizer, or the Sputnik V, or the Chinese one (not sure if it's SinoVac, they have more than one...) in that order of availability.
We haven't validated the last two yet, and I don't think we will validate the Chinese one, so that would make it easy.

I'm also under 55, so won't be proposed the Astrazenica anyway over here.

Not enough info on the Johnson&Johnson/Janssen one as far as I can tell. The effectiveness compared to the others is low as well (66% overall, 73% in the USA).

It is said that none of the vaccines can protect you 100% from getting the virus, but they do protect you enough to not need to be hospitalized.
I suppose some protection is better than none, especially if variants are going to continue popping up all over the place, and they could be much, much worse than the one's we have spreading now.

Not having a vaccine now could bite you in the arse further down the road, but only time will tell.
It's always a long waiting game with this...

a reply to: MonkeyBalls2
That American Dr who died of 0% platelets/clots had his initial symptoms at 4 weeks before he died. Sorry can't find link at mo.

Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: MonkeyBalls2

I don't know man...

First all the reports and fear about the COVID 19 and now all these reports and fearmongering about the vaccines!

This is a pretty high rate of death if you ask me, after taking the vccine and ending up with clots:



Age range cases fatalities

18 – 29 11 3

30 – 39 16 6

40 – 49 10 2

50 – 59 12 2

60 – 69 13 3

70 – 79 5 1

Unknown 12 2


19 deaths out of 79.

www.dailymail.co.uk...


And then we have this guy who developed clots and nearly died... has to take thinners for 6 months but who knows what might develope in that time

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

The fear about Covid is real. It's a new virus we had never seen before, and it's mutating.
More than 99% of the world population have no natural protection against it.
The sheer number of people involved (7 Billion+) means that there are likely going to be many mutations, the probability is huge.
A one in a billion chance of a nasty variant would be 7, if the whole world population is infected.
1 if only 1 billion people are infected. That would mean that is is not only likely, but almost certain.

Many of the mutations are going undetected, because they are happening in countries where they can't sequence the genomes of those variants, or even detect a new variant.
They are not found until they appear in countries where they can detect them, and then sequence them.
By then, they could have become quite widespread.

The vaccines are a way to lessen the impact of the current known strains, and hopefully, variant strains.
We know the current vaccines will work with the prevalent original strains, but not much else.
it takes time, and even more time, to see if they work on the variants.
People who are vaccinated, might not even know they have a variant strain, and so might not get tested, and therefore not have it sequenced.
ideally, we should all be tested, weekly or monthly, just to check.
They need the data, to be able to work on that.
Massive testing should be something that we do regularly, just to keep a check on it and it's variants.

Data is the most important part of almost any decision.
The more data you have, the better your decision can be on how to go forward.

Basically, the vaccine is better than nothing.
Could a vaccinated person develop a mutant strain which is vaccine resistant ?
Yes, that is why we have multiple vaccines, with different attack vectors.
Hopefully we'll cover all the bases, and keep it, and it's variants, at bay.

It takes years to gather and mine data to get useful information, which is time we don't have.
They are literally going as fast as they can, and preparing as best they can for the future.

Look at what is being called 'long covid'. We have no idea why, or how it is happening.
It may be many years before we even get an inkling about it, and if the people affected have any common traits.
We might never find out.

The blood clot thing is also freaking them out, and they would be very happy to find a common trait between the people who had it.
The fact that people have died from it, does us a disservice, because we can't ask them any questions about their lives, and habits etc.
That's a whole load of data we will never have.

It's a major sh!tshow, but it's all we have at the moment.

Living in fear, isn't living at all.

To quote a Klingon " Today is a good day to die".

Sh!t happens, we're not immortal, we are all going to die.
It's just a matter of when.

We can mitigate with masks, washing hands (which should be common sense for everyone anyway), and keeping away from people who look visibly ill.
Asymptomatic people ? The surprise in the egg. You can't plan for it, or mitigate.

If you have something that you were always meaning to do in your life, do it, if you can.
(unfortunately for many people that is travel abroad, and this pandemic just shows that sometimes its best to just do it, because you never know what's around the corner...)

(You might have noticed that structured writing isn't one of my strong points, I ramble all over the place, sorry for that. The main points are there though )

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

Out of 79 people who got the clots, only 19 died.
That's pretty good odds if you ask me.
I thought that all of them died.

So if you get a blood clot, you have a 3 out of 4 chance of surviving.
75% survival rate.

"Always look on the bright side of life"

a reply to: Agit8dChop


" Mass COVID-19 Vaccination Site Shut Down After Adverse Reactions Reported "

by Epoch Times



April 8th 2021, 1:10 pm




Thine Body is Genetically PURE from Birth , it can Adapt and Heal the Body from ANY Malady to Preserve the Health of Itself in Time . Vaccines are Ineffective on a Ever Evolving Immune System .




www.infowars.com...

a reply to: McGinty



Small Penises have a Lower Chance of Directing their Seed to the Breakfast Table on Time . It's a FACT in Canada ................)

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: McGinty



Small Penises have a Lower Chance of Directing their Seed to the Breakfast Table on Time . It's a FACT in Canada ................)

Not exactly sure what you mean, but i giggled anyway. Grow up, McGinty!