Corona Virus Updates Part 6

a reply to: MonkeyBalls2

www.sciencemag.org...

To save space, here is a link to a new thread about Thapsigargin being tested to treat Covid19.
Thapsigargin

Rainbows
Jane

Has anyone heard any more on this new therapy?
Israeli hospital claims it has developed drug to cure serious cases of COVID

February 5, 2021 / JNS) Researchers at Israel’s Ichilov Hospital, Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Center claim that they have developed a drug that may cure serious cases of the coronavirus.

a reply to: MonkeyBalls2

I forgot about that one:

Carter, M.J., Shankar-Hari, M. & Tibby, S.M. Paediatric Inflammatory Multisystem Syndrome Temporally-Associated with SARS-CoV-2 Infection: An Overview. Intensive Care Med 47, 90–93 (2021). doi.org...

It’s crazy, they are still trying to figure it out. Is it autoimmune? Is it the virus using ADE or Cd209 to target immune and blood cells? Is it a long term infection and the virus focuses on alternate receptors due to low ACE2 receptor count in younger patients?

Numbers Update for Europe, and Elsewhere :






New Deaths :



New Cases :



www.worldometers.info...

a reply to: puzzled2

Volume 65, Issue 3, March 2013, Pages 348-356


www.sciencedirect.com...

Numbers Update for Europe, and Elsewhere :






New Deaths :



New Cases :



www.worldometers.info...

Sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
more sleep.
sleep.
yay.

Numbers Update for Europe, and Elsewhere :






New Deaths :



New Deaths :



www.worldometers.info...

Numbers Update for Europe, and Elsewhere :






New Deaths :



New Cases :



www.worldometers.info...

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Symptoms of PIMS sound the same as Covid.

Convenient classification as PIMS rather than Covid for those who argue that Covid is not such a big issue for children, and therefore, the schools can either remain open or be re-opened.

Open schools with kids wearing sub-optimal masks and getting a false sense of security from social distancing in closed spaces (which doesn't work very well) is where Covid spreads easily and fast. That's why those profiting off of the Corona crisis or problem like to have the schools open; more profit with a bigger longer Corona problem.

So just tell the parents they don't have to worry about their kids and how much psychological and social damage closed schools do to their kids to get them on board with your business plan of maximizing the spread of Corona without making it too obvious that that's what you're aiming for (so don't take it too far).

a reply to: whereislogic

100%

I'd only add that not only do some profit from the virus, but also having kids back at school frees up the parents to go back to work and pay their taxes, rather than be paid furlough by the treasury.

The R rate exploded in Sep/Oct when the schools returned and no matter how many stooges the gov provide with partisan figures and half baked guesses about kids not spreading it... it's frakking obvious!

So apparently after a year a medical advanced country, , Ivermectin to undergo rigorous clinical trial as COVID treatment "A" as in just 1 is going to do a trial on Ivermectin.

BUT On May 8, 2020, Peru’s Ministry of Health approved ivermectin (IVM) for the treatment of COVID-19.

Sharp Reductions in COVID-19 Case Fatalities and Excess Deaths in Peru in Close Time Conjunction, State-By-State, with Ivermectin Treatments

These clinical data associated with IVM treatments beginning in different time periods, April through August 2020, in each of 25 Peruvian states, spanning an area equivalent to that from Denmark to Italy and Greece in Europe or from north to south along the US, with a total population of 33 million, provided a rich source for analysis.

For the 24 states with early IVM treatment (and Lima), excess deaths dropped 59% (25%) at +30 days and 75% (25%) at +45 days after day of peak deaths. Case fatalities likewise dropped sharply in all states but Lima, yet six indices of Google-tracked community mobility rose over the same period. For nine states having mass distributions of IVM in a short timeframe through a national program, Mega-Operación Tayta (MOT), excess deaths at +30 days dropped by a population-weighted mean of 74%, each drop beginning within 11 day after MOT start

That's a 33 million people trial and they say its not enough for Medical advance countries as it wasn't randomly applied death sentences.

Even a manufacture who has given away billions of free doses, who now has invested hundreds of millions in covid treatments is bad mouthing the safety record of it. Perhaps a class action lawsuit for giving the free unsafe medication might remind them to be careful which side they are on. Profiteers or people.

NOTE THE TITLE..."WORLD-FIRST TRIAL". THIS VACCINE HAS NOT BEEN TRIALED ON CHILDREN, SO OUR CHILDREN ARE THE GUINEA PIGS!
Whoa! So Sky newsperson reporting that vaccine is being rolled out to children now.....BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW CHILDREN WILL REACT TO IT, IT WAS ONLY EVER TESTED ON ADULTS!!
And there you have it... precious children are guinea pigs!

Children to be guinea pigs!

The elderly were never the target...it is the children!
Sorry, I'm so upset right now!

Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: angelchemuel

Sky article is saying that it's a trial, not a roll out. 600 volunteer kids aged 6 - 17 (how does a kid volunteer? That's an ethical minefield). 240 of the kids get the vaccine and the rest a meningitis jab. They're hoping to have some licensed vaccines by the end of the year.

I completely agree, though that even if these trials go well those getting the licensed vaccines are still guinea pigs, since real trials should take far longer. For kids that's not acceptable unless there's immediate threat to them. The Gov say on one hand, when they want to justify getting them back to school so parents can work, that kids aren't effected severely and don't spread the virus. If that's the case then why give them vaccine's with rushed trials? One of these scenarios is bogus.

There's plans afoot for a universal vaccine that targets the 'core' of Covid, rather than the spikes...

Universal Vaccine

Well, it's hard at this point not to be cynical and ask how if they've so far failed to do this for the Flu, then why so confident for Covid in under a year? More money, resources? Perhaps that'll do it!

Or, with so much cash to be made from booster vaccines will this go the same way as free energy (which is suppressed by big oil according to a fistful of recurring ATS threads each year)?

Or, can targeting the 'core' potentially lead to a more serious freak mutation. According to the telly (which never lies, the one thing the mutations have so far not done is become more deadly; i'm guessing that's because the mutations have only effected those clingy, needy spike proteans, so the results are confined to transmissibility. With a vaccine targeting the 'core', rather than the spike could a mishap or unknown reaction in a particular universally vaccinated host result in more than mere transmissibility changes?

Plenty to get paranoid about over my cornflakes this morning... But, that aside, good bloody luck to them and godspeed.

a reply to: whereislogic

Did you read the article? PIMS in this case is recognized being caused by COVID so of course the symptoms are similar. They just don’t know why but they do have a few theories and they’re all immune signaling and viral binding related.

The problem is, this seems rare and it very well could be, however this could be happening quite often in children without external symptoms. Let’s say it’s a receptor like Cd209, the virus doesn’t cause any severe symptoms in most children because of its primary target, ACE2 receptors. Kids have tons of the messenger available so they need fewer receptors, they’re healthier, less disease, still growing with different signaling than an adult. It starts spreading through these populations and evolves the ability to prefer Cd209 or can use it just as well as ACE2.

Now we have a problem, especially with second or long term infections because it has an alternate pathway to spread its genetic material and infect the host. This is an aspect groups spreading misinformation and becoming immunology and molecular medicine experts over the past few months do not understand. Just last year they were constitutional law experts. Between that and governments and corporations using this to take advantage, it’s an absolute mess. People in contact with others need to be vaccinated or we need to open it all up and let it burn through the population. That’s really the only way to get it to a seasonal circulation. Shutting it all down and letting it disappear will just make it come back in a few months.

The clinical trials with children should be over quickly, I would expect them to respond better to Pfizer. I think both vaccines need work though if we are going to keep using them in vulnerable groups, which we won’t see until the next vaccine. Kids may or may not have more reactions because their systems are still learning and are constantly stimulated. In the meantime, this half ass pandemic control needs to stop, reopen schools, reopen the economy, vaccinate vulnerable groups and move on. The vaccine doesn’t cause autoimmune problems, it exasperates preexisting conditions because it’s immunogenicity is so high. Covid isn’t going to stop moving through the population, the sooner people accept that the better so we can return to normal operations.

That’s why I’m all for vaccinate those that need and want it and open it back up, let nature work out the rest because it will keep evolving and evolution ALWAYS wins.

a reply to: McGinty

A little background on the flu one, as far as I know, the thing works but there are so many strains and variables they are having trouble fitting it into a reasonable amount of vaccines.

This is actually more similar to how bacteria become immune to viruses. They incorporate recognition genes and that’s it, permanently immune. When you are immune to the core construct, you are immune to that disease. Why? Because if that pathogen mutates to the extent required to evade the immune response, it’s most likely going to lose the ability to reproduce and survive in the host. Or it won’t be the same pathogen and now it’s modified somehow. Which won’t happen because it’s not going to change it’s family.

Now that’s theory, there is also the evolutionary aspect, and pathogens will find a way somehow. That’s going to take a long time though, a vaccine that’s lasts years or decades will be very useful.

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Not to go off thread, but are you familiar with the work of Dr. David Martin regarding Covid in general and the 'vaccine' in particular?

a reply to: McGinty

This is actually pretty normal for clinical trials, people are just aware of the fact because so much conflicting information is out there regarding COVID and the vaccine. Using different population groups has been going on for decades. It is a complicated process with the IRB, institutional review boards, parental consent with quite a bit of supporting documentation. Trials with children are also much stricter, they will pull it pretty quick if shenanigans begin to happen. It gets really weird with samples and who owns them after the trial plus protecting sensitive information and still providing enough data to make an accurate assessment, and who owns that data. Many people are in them and don’t know it because they sign a data collection agreement with the organization, and keep signing them.

With studies like this though, you have to separate trial personnel from healthcare personnel. You also have to blind a few different parties and then ensure accurate data collection. Children are also a little harder to read and could be influenced by trial personnel and parents. That’s quite a few variables to consider.

I’m expecting more reactions, better tolerated reactions, and better immunity in children. The hard part is getting all groups included to best represent the general population.

a reply to: Salander

He’s the ‘Plandemic’ guy right? Sort of but not really, I learned some of his claims are wrong about patents and other topics in one of my ethics courses. The general concept, honestly that wouldn’t even surprise me lol. People are twisted and they love this stuff. I haven’t watched the documentaries, or read much about him because he’s been lumped with two other doctors who spread quite a bit of misinformation and use their medical knowledge to make it sound true.

I will read more about him today though, anything I should focus on?