Corona Virus Updates Part 6

Is it true that china quarantined 100 million people again because of new cases?

Fauci being called out for changing the rules with his Remdesivir study

Numbers from around the world are taken from Worldometers for May 19th.

Spain - Pop: 44.6 M
278,188 Positive tests…….. or 1 out of 168 Spaniards
9.96% Deaths of positive tested
National Deaths (27,709) 1 per 1,684

Italy - Pop: 60.4 M
226,699 Positive tests….. or 1 out of 267 Italians
14.19 % Deaths of positive tested
National Deaths (32,169) 1 per 1,880

UK – Pop: 66.6 M
246,406 Positive tests….. or 1 out of 270 UKers
14.12 % Deaths of positive tested
National Deaths (34,796) 1 per 1,915

France – Pop: 67.0 M
179,927 Positive tests….. or 1 out of 372 French
15.69 % Deaths of positive tested
National Deaths (28,239) 1 per 2,372

Sweden – Pop: 10.2 M
30,799 Positive tests….. or 1 out of 332 Swedes
12.15 % Deaths of positive tested
National Deaths (3,743) 1 per 2,733

Denmark – Pop: 5.8 M
11,044 Positive tests….. or 1 out of 525 Danes
4.98 % Deaths of positive tested
National Deaths (551) 1 per 10,526

US - Pop: 330 M
1,557,770 Positive tests.... or 1 out of 212 Americans
5.93 % Deaths of positive tested
National Deaths 1 per 3,568

US death rates (2017):
1. Heart Disease …………….…………647,457 annual or 1,773 daily average
2. Cancer ……………………..……….….599,108 annual or 1,641 daily average
3. Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936 annual or 465 daily average
6. Alzheimer’s disease:…….……….121,404 annual or 332 daily average

COVID-19 ……………………………………….92,478(80 Day) or 1155 daily average

*** SURPASSED *****

7. Diabetes:………………………………….83,564 annual or 228 daily average
8. Influenza and Pneumonia …………55,562 annual or 152 daily average
9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis:..50,633 annual or 138 daily average
10. Intentional self-harm (suicide):..47,173 annual or 129 daily average
X. Auto accidents ………………….………37,461 annual or 102 daily average
X. H1N1 2009 ESTIMATED (8,868 – 18,638) for 1 year or 24 – 50 daily average

Coronavirus will never be eradicated and is 'almost uncontrollable', top scientist warns

uk.yahoo.com...

a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
From your link :

“It is so transmissible, it’s so successful, we’re so susceptible, that actually it’s a little bit of a red herring to worry about it getting worse, because it couldn’t be much worse at the moment in terms of the numbers of cases,” Prof Robertson said.

I highlighted in red.
Seems kind of uplifting, if this is as bad as it gets.

www.cnn.com... few updates navajo nation now surpasses NY state levels of infection per 100k people

The Navajo Nation has surpassed New York and New Jersey for the highest per-capita coronavirus infection rate in the US -- another sign of Covid-19's disproportionate impact on minority communities. The Navajo Nation, which spans parts of Arizona, New Mexico and Utah, reported a population of 173,667 on the 2010 census. As a result, with 4,002 cases, the Native American territory has 2,304.41 cases of Covid-19 per 100,000 people. By contrast, New York state now has a rate of 1,806 cases per 100,000 and New Jersey is at 1,668 cases per 100,000, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

so not looking good for the tribe

and from Pittsburg www.wpxi.com... lQ7zDJwkMljvzQmbO0s02VQIkTun0fbxTf9jI036SbpVSbV1E

LIVE UPDATES: Nearly 78% of all COVID-19 deaths in Allegheny Co. are in long-term care facilities

so seems your odds are much better of living if your not trapped in a nursing home

a reply to: McGinty

just making network telly about the rich/poor divide In the U.K. for the best part of the past 5 years (finally get to make the tv I want after 30 years hard studying and work in the industry). So, yeah, I’m doing my best to influence those changes. What exactly are you doing about it?

Not falling for the crap rich/poor divide and making my own way in life.
Understanding there are lazy and hardworking people, know some will smile at your face and stab you in the back at all wealth levels.
There are criminals at every aspect of the social bracket and some people always disagree with someone else being in charge from the local darts league to the managing of a country.
Know more people work an honest days work and get an honest day pay and don't want the responsibility of management of others lives.
Those that take risks and added responsibilities are rewarded and become richer then help their friends and family.
Is there a problem with this scenario of rewarding those's that work for it?

originally posted by: puzzled2
You calling the Tories and Boris a Nazi twat but if he had locked down the country and welded the doors shut of those breaking the lock down you'd call him the same Nazi twat. Wouldn't you?

Resorting to such ludicrous extremes to make a spurious point is a sure sign of having no valid argument. Yes, welding people’s doors shut would indeed be a bit ‘Nazi’.

It is not an extreme it is an alternate view of how a government could have kept more people safe from the virus.
The other problems resulting from that level of lock down is another issue.

Just out of interest perhaps you should start a thread about
What date do you think the lock down should have Started?
What should be done with the rule breakers?
What will be the length of Your lock down?
Where the supplies are coming from?
What are the strategies you will use for opening the economy and allowing people out?
You have the advantage of hindsight so try to stay with in the knowledge of the time.

Because in hindsight IMO
Wet markets should be banned.
On December 31st -
China should have been locked down by WHO and every person in and out isolated for 21 days.
Only essential travel permitted in the rest of the world.
January 20th all international borders closed and mass gatherings banned, isolate care homes.
No need for world wide lock downs follow the Swedish approach.

Did read your thread isn't it brilliant how you portray the rich and powerful as so intelligent to have ability to plan such fantastic detail events. How they can orchestrate over years so many different events, with out having to worry about being discovered or ever be held accountable. You must really admire their brilliance.

Try writing a plan for the , as you put it, "non-private school, council estate raised peasants, left to rot by the rich" that saves the world and become a utopia of health and happiness.

But as of right now there is a stinking virus being propagated around the world by humans and animals that we need to find a treatment for not bitching about who did what wrong.
Every step take will be a lesson
- lock down early fewer cases - But no immunity - need to be permanently isolated -
but need tourism and world trade to survive.
- release lock down slowly -causes few demands on NHS - great mental stress on population - Long term social and economic problems.
- release lock down to quickly - causes increased demands on NHS - great mental stress on population - Long term social and economic problems from more lock downs.

There are no easy answers and we are all in this storm together but in different boats unfortunately some might sink, my is leaking pretty badly plugging the holes the best I and my family can.
Stay safe and do no harm. When you do your movies look both sides of the fence.

Numbers Update for Europe, and Elsewhere (No BNO) :







www.worldometers.info...

5 Million total cases very soon.

I have a question about those official numbers... it says we are close to 5 million, but based on just a couple studies, shouldn't it be a lot more?

Here's just a few recent antibody studies:
France - 4.4% with antibodies - 2.8 million people

Spain - 5% with antibodies - 2.7 million people

New York - 21% with antibodies = 2.1 million people

That would be a total of 7.6 million infected based in those three geographic locations alone.

Am I correct in my reasoning?

a reply to: butcherguy

lol I was thinking the same thing...

Apparently so
Bloomberg

On May 12, medics arriving in over a dozen buses at Jianxingyuan compound in Shulan City, #Jilin Province, #China to do tests to residents. Over 8K have been quarantined since May 7, after a female laundry worker testing positive and several dozens of cases confirmed.

twitter.com...

After cross-infection breaking out in the No. 2 Hospital in #Harbin, #Heilongjiang Province, #China, #CCP ordered "prison style" management and deployed police there. Nobody is allowed to enter or leave.
Source: www.epochtimes.com...

twitter.com...

A district called Fengman in northeast #China city of Jilin raised #coronavirus risk alert from medium to high. Shopping malls, cinemas, gyms, internet cafes ordered shut from Monday amid concerns of second wave of infections. Supermarkets can stay open.

twitter.com...


a reply to: deccal

Nobel Prize Winner scientist
"WHO - entomologists - for them success is minimizing number of deaths from a particular outbreak. It's not at what cost"

from 23:56.


He is more a fan of the use of smart distancing, use of masks, not going out if sick, not talking, singing in each others faces.

The total deaths are roughly the same (>15%) as a the hard 2017-2018 flu season - but 2019-2020 flu is well down but corona has taken up the excess.

The science needs to track the flu age mortality to the corona age mortality. World failure is to protect those suspectable to infection.

Lots of discussion points on collateral damage or invisible blood due to people not going to hospital and getting treatment.

73 year old with a mother of 105 alive in London UK that doesn't believe in the lock down.
Points out he can't get life insurance so why is the government spending millions giving him or his mother a month or two.

Very long but interesting outlooks.

a reply to: puzzled2

"WHO - entomologists - for them success is minimizing number of deaths from a particular outbreak. It's not at what cost"

An outbreak of murder hornets?

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originally posted by: puzzlesphere
I have a question about those official numbers... it says we are close to 5 million

5 million what? Cases.

but based on just a couple studies, shouldn't it be a lot more?
..
That would be a total of 7.6 million infected based in those three geographic locations alone.

Am I correct in my reasoning?

7.6 million infected, or previously infected, but not 7.6 million cases.

Let's say you got infected 2 months ago, were asymptomatic so you never sought treatment or got tested then, and no longer have the virus infecting you, but now you have antibodies, because you had it.

There will be no case file on you so you won't be in the 5 million number, but you could be one of the 7.6+ million with antibodies.

originally posted by: Jamie2018
Australia's cv19 death toll just hit 100.

Our population is 25,499,884 people and 100 people have died. We destroyed all those jobs, all those Mom and Pop stores, all these dreams and aspirations, we have terrified our children and seen many cv19 related suicides.

Did the lock down work? Were all the fear tactics worth it?

100 People!!! in 5 Months

The vast majority of these deaths are people from 70 to 90 years of age with underlying health conditions.

It might not be over with yet. I would imagine that after the first wave of the Spanish flu was winding down, most people were thinking "heck, this wasn't THAT bad!"

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Yes... I do get that... I guess what I'm suggesting is there should be at least another column or figure that actually says how many people have actually had or currently have this in the world (cases + those with antibodies). "Cases" as it currently stands, is not particularly accurate or properly defined.

Since "Cases" includes those that were officially recorded (Active Cases is those that are currently still officially infected), but now may have recovered, it seems logical to include those with recorded Antibodies in "Cases", or at least have a second column of "Anecdotal Cases", which seems it would be a huge number... as suggested by the studies I referenced, aren't they technically a "case" (even statistically), if they have been recorded as having antibodies?

Research

Two studies reveal how natural immunity via ‘T’ cells developed during other cold or flu type illnesses are helping C19 patients recover.
www.cell.com...(20)30610-3
www.medrxiv.org...

UK

NHS hospitals have four times more empty beds than normal

Tens of thousands of NHS hospital beds remain unoccupied amid the coronavirus crisis — about four times the normal number — due to huge ongoing efforts to free up space, and a slowdown in admissions from other causes. www.hsj.co.uk...

SE Asia

Covid Patients Testing Positive After Recovery Aren’t Infectious, Study Shows

Scientists from the Korean Centers for Disease Control and Prevention studied 285 Covid-19 survivors who had tested positive for the coronavirus after their illness had apparently resolved, as indicated by a previous negative test result. The so-called re-positive patients weren’t found to have spread any lingering infection, and virus samples collected from them couldn’t be grown in culture, indicating the patients were shedding non-infectious or dead virus particles. www.bloomberg.com...

Asia
Most of this report is made up of twitter posts and are quite upsetting. There is no transport and migrant workers have been walking hundreds of miles to reach their homes. Police beat them for walking on roads. A pregnant woman carrying her small child starts to give birth as she walks. A man eats a live snake. A 13yr old cycles 700+miles pillion carrying her injured father. Many are dying, hunger, thirst, beatings.

Hunger, Misery, Chaos, Brutality, and Humiliation: The Nightmare That Is India’s Lockdown
www.anti-empire.com...

Africa

Burundi has ordered the country’s top World Health Organization (WHO) representative and three other experts coordinating the corona virus response to leave the country. Four officials “are declared persona non grata and as such, must leave the territory of Burundi” by Friday. www.anti-empire.com...

originally posted by: puzzlesphere
Since "Cases" includes those that were officially recorded (Active Cases is those that are currently still officially infected), but now may have recovered, it seems logical to include those with recorded Antibodies in "Cases", or at least have a second column of "Anecdotal Cases", which seems it would be a huge number... as suggested by the studies I referenced, aren't they technically a "case" (even statistically), if they have been recorded as having antibodies?

In New York, you quote an article estimating 2.1 million people with antibodies. But if you read the fine print, only 3000 people were tested and only a fraction of those had antibodies, less than 420 people. Do you really want to add 2.1 million to the statistics when the real number they actually found was less than 420? 420 is 14% of 3000 and your link said they found almost 14% of the 3000 with antibodies.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Also, some of those early antibody tests had a false positive rate of 15%