Moon UFOs (Or why would someone fake this)

originally posted by: ArMaP
After a couple of hours or so with Blender I was able to make a very crude simulation to see how the shadows would behave.
Assuming Blender is right (which I'm sure it is), my idea was wrong, the direction of the shadows doesn't change with the position of the object being closer to the equator or the poles.

Parallel light rays from a distant source (defined as infinity in Blender) project parallel shadows, as seen below.

So that part of my theory about the video was wrong, the direction of the shadows in the video appears to be correct.

That is very impressive, I admire your ingenuity and commitment to discovering the truth.

I will start following your information and history.

a reply to: saladfingers123456

I have to laugh at anyone that categorically takes a firm position

You mean like your original response?

I also laugh when people use their job as a know it all line in the sand that proves one or the other. Maybe 'touche' would have been a better response to mine?

I may have bad eyesight now but that doesn't mean I'm blind. I did mention the means in which I overcame the eyesight issue. You also have visual conclusive evidence and of course that was dismissed.

But yes, it's an opinion but it's also an educated opinion. I never said it was a fact. The only facts are my experiances and the visual evidence that was given. It's also an educated opinion that you fall short of the skill you claimed to have. I'm not saying you aren't what you say, I'm just saying your view is flawed based on what I'm seeing.

There are those times when someone can see something so plainly obvious where supposed experts can look at the same and can't see the lie.

Like you, I don't much care if you take my evidence with a grain of salt. Just don't let that salt get into your wound and make you all defensive.

You say you feel based on your experience that this is real. I'm saying based on mine, it isn't and your experience is lacking. Both equal opinions. Who has more experience? If it bugs ya, we can always pull out the rulers and start measuring sizes.

Let's just agree to disagree, shall we?

I just think it sad that a video such as this is cast aside so easily by some.

It's also sad that someone would just cast visual evidence, credible and dare I say obvious evidence aside to defend something like 'UFOs and Aliens', neither of which anyone has given credible evidence to date, save for the latest and greatest tic tac sightings - and even then, we still have no evidence of what it really is and if it is or isn't an explainable natural phenomenon.

I would ask one other question, What is the size of these craft .

I've heard it said the moon is roughly the size of the USA, now considering the moon is a sphere and we are only seeing but one small part of it at one time. I would estimate the part of the moon we see when its full is maybe the same land mass as Alaska, I'm not sure really just guessing.

How big would that make those craft, and how fast do you think they are moving. ??

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Big. Really, really big. For velocity, see here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Big. Really, really big. For velocity, see here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Its the speed that is throwing me off, the shear amount of ground they are covering in seconds is astonishing, and the size of the craft would have to be miles in length right??

I dunno the more I watch it , the more it seems fake.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Perhaps you underestimate the capabilities of the breakaway civilization and/or our space brothers.

Or, it might be a hoax.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Big. Really, really big. For velocity, see here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Its the speed that is throwing me off, the shear amount of ground they are covering in seconds is astonishing, and the size of the craft would have to be miles in length right??

I dunno the more I watch it , the more it seems fake.

Yes, they are moving way too fast to be in orbit without breaking the orbital laws of physics.

I guesstimated the size as a large fraction of the length of Manhattan which is 13 miles long, maybe 10 miles long for each UFO, though they could be as long as Manhattan on the high end of my estimate. Here's a satellite view of Manhattan:



So that satellite image of Manhattan is my visual image of roughly how big the UFOs would be.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Big. Really, really big. For velocity, see here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Its the speed that is throwing me off, the shear amount of ground they are covering in seconds is astonishing, and the size of the craft would have to be miles in length right??

I dunno the more I watch it , the more it seems fake.

Yes, they are moving way too fast to be in orbit without breaking the orbital laws of physics.

I guesstimated the size as a large fraction of the length of Manhattan which is 13 miles long, maybe 10 miles long for each UFO, though they could be as long as Manhattan on the high end of my estimate. Here's a satellite view of Manhattan:

So that satellite image of Manhattan is my visual image of roughly how big the UFOs would be.

Agreed and the speed requires several layers of math that I am unfortunately unqualified for.

But it covers a distance that is 1000's of miles in seconds , so I mean wouldn't that put the speed in the Hundreds of thousands MPH. Again I'm flat out guessing.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Agreed and the speed requires several layers of math that I am unfortunately unqualified for.

But it covers a distance that is 1000's of miles in seconds , so I mean wouldn't that put the speed in the Hundreds of thousands MPH. Again I'm flat out guessing.

In principle the speed calculation shouldn't be too hard for the UFOs that fly over the 125 km diameter crater. We know the crater is 125 km from outer rim to outer rim approximately.

So if you can tell from looking at the video how long it takes the UFOs to fly across the distance of the crater, the speed is 125 km divided by the time to cross the 125 km diameter crater. If it takes 8 seconds to cross the crater, the speed would be 125km/8s = 15.6 km/s or about 9.7 miles per second.

The hard part is timing how long it actually takes the UFOs to cross the crater because the difficulties of perspective, since we aren't looking straight down at the crater which would make it easier to time. So do you think you can time how long it takes to cross the 125 km crater from outer rim to outer rim? If you can do that, the speed calculation is straightforward.

If Jim Oberg's speed estimate is correct, it would take almost 8 seconds to fly from outer rim to outer rim of the 125 km crater, but it seems to me like it takes less than 8 seconds to cross the crater so my speed estimate is faster than Jim Oberg's estimate. In either case, it's way too fast for orbital speed.

Very easy to fake...though i havent read 90% of the posts prior to this

a reply to: Jonjonj
What a great vid. Everything looks pretty legit. Lighting and shadows seem right to me. I am just having a hard time with the speed. Moving around such a large object, they should come up on the horizon slower. They seem to pop up like they are moving around a sharp corner.

a reply to: Jonjonj

Considering there are other videos (as the other poster has submitted here) showing these white objects it would seem that these show real signs of being real. All of you saying it is not real because of this, that and the other seem very quick to dismiss and by which I doubt your credibility to the search of truth.

This to me looks very real and it is not the first time such things have been seen near or passing the moon. It seems with recent navy released videos or tictac UFO and such should start to make people see that this is not coincidence as too many coincidences rule out itself after so much evidence presents itself.

We need more eyes on this, we need more evidence. I think some kind of inspection, deal is going on.

Maybe these crafts are not only for transportation but machines that scan the moon or do something to it.

Regarding the orbital velocity - there may actually be 6 machines, one on each side of the moon, moving around it as opposed pairs, massaging the core. They are linked which prevents them from flying off.

Amazing discussion in this thread. I think of this as classic ATS.

As for the video, it's interesting. Every part of me wants to point at the screen and shout fake. I guess that's from seeing so many good fakes over the years.
With this one I'll keep an open mind. It looks pretty legit, but as i said, we've all been here before. I sheer size of the 'UFO's' is staggering if it were real.

I do wonder if this is more man made than anything else. With what's going on in the world right now, it would be the perfect opportunity to fly things around space as we're all worried about other things. Distraction if you will.

Fascinating though.

a reply to: Jonjonj

If that's fake, there was a lot of thought put into it.

The shadows of the "craft" on the surface even follows the terrain peaks and valleys, how the "craft" disappears into the moon's shadow.

Hmmm........

I find it interesting that people are always using the " but there's cameras everywhere, why then is there no pics/ vids of ufo's?" point as proof that the existence of anything beyond our understanding is bogus.
Then when an interesting video does surface they'll argue relentlessly that "it's a FAKE!", "The shadows aren't doing what I think they should be doing!", the always reliable.." how convenient they just happen to be filming there..."( Have a look on YouTube at some of the compilations of amazing coincidences sometime, people get amazing things on video all the time).
Just three of many!
Yeah anyway the debunkers are always ready to jump in and save the day, I can't imagine there will ever be a UFO video good enough that will have them admit that maybe, just maybe, they don't know everything...
It would be nice though!

I would like to just say also that debunkers in many instances are absolutely correct and do a good service for the community, it's just that sometimes i don't think they know when or how to admit that they just don't know!

Fake.

It was a nice try though, they just didn't get the color of the UFO shadows correct.



Samples taken of the UFO shadows return RBG values 195, 189, 195. When all 3 values are the same, the color is gray. Unless they are all 0 (black) or 255 (white). So the UFO shadows are almost perfect gray, with a little bit of green.

If you do an analysis of the pixels in the video you will find ALL of the pixels are dominated by the blue value. There is not a single shadow on that Moon's surface that is not blue, except for the UFO's shadows.

I guess Rayleigh scattering in the Earth's atmosphere doesn't overlap UFO shadows huh?

I also have another way to prove it is fake, but I will save it for later. This should do for now.

originally posted by: poncho1982
a reply to: Jonjonj

If that's fake, there was a lot of thought put into it.

The shadows of the "craft" on the surface even follows the terrain peaks and valleys, how the "craft" disappears into the moon's shadow.

Hmmm........

Nope definitely they do not.

Play the video slow it down to half speed at then check the shadows going through the terrain.

The shadow stays the same throughout which is my reason, and its a valid one, for calling this a fake video

Oh I forgot to mention. You can see a vapor blow off the tips of the craft as they go from hot sunny side to shadow cold side.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

if you look at that crater that it passes over then find out its name from that you could work out a rough size

but from that alone it must be at least 2 miles long