Moon UFOs (Or why would someone fake this)

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Sorry not ignoring you, we're just having a debate of color lol. Where did you get that picture from?

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
As to those suspecting fake because of thing not aligning consider the distortion

Distortion doesn't change perspective.

In fairness I thought your shadows claims didn’t line up very well at all, they’re very much inline in the video, good effort though, genuinely

Oops sorry

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1
a reply to: sean

My friend,
That is not gray. That is blue. All the values need to be +-10. Your's is +-21 and blue dominant.

I dare you to find a value on the Moon that is +-10.

I tried to give the benefit of doubt and pick the grayest pixel on the Moon in my image and it too is +-21. Almost all of the pixels are +-21 or higher and blue dominant.

The only pixels that are +-10 are from the UFO shadow. That is because it is fake.

NAH

Nice try

Check the grey above the purple looking deep crater

It’s identical to the shadow

Because it’s not as dark as the creator shadow, try moving around abit more you’ll find the same tones

I’m always wary of people desperate to debunk, certainly those whose first word is reply is FAKE

No trophy sorry

a reply to: TritonTaranis

There isn't really anything close by to reference it to. I just think the bright white is just drowning it out you're probably right. In fact I believe it is faked based off a lot more better info anyways. I found some near up more northern of the Moon. I am going to try something else and pull the color out, but it's late for me.

originally posted by: sean
a reply to: TritonTaranis

There isn't really anything close by to reference it to. I just think the bright white is just drowning it out you're probably right. In fact I believe it is faked based off a lot more better info anyways. I found some near up more northern of the Moon. I am going to try something else and pull the color out, but it's late for me.

The shadow looks pretty solid to me, perhaps there is something else to suggest fake but I haven’t seen anything yet and I’m keeping an open mind on all fronts

Be interested to see your other info etc

No prob. The image actually came from ATS.

a reply to: sean

a reply to: Jonjonj

Very easy to fake.

>(Or why would someone fake this)
Are you new to planet Earth and humans?

a reply to: TritonTaranis

Well there is actually info I gathered from other sources. If you watch the entire video the Moon shimmering appears to stop, but the video is still playing. I mentioned that back a few posts. Furthermore, there is a strange thing happening as they enter the blackness, just before they disappear looks like a vapor. Right now I am working on a special filter that will surely pull out the color and convert it and if there is any fake it will pop out. Likely being fake if something happen like that it would be all over the News as there are people who monitor the Moon 24/7. Anyways, the thing that baffles me is, that the way the craft itself blends right in and colors look and everything and now the shadow is darker without the extra blue that should be there. My argument was that the shadow was nearly at a 90 degree to the craft casting it and right on a nearly white surface, I thought that maybe the white would just overpower the blue. I mean there is trace of mix of blue in there and when the other fella said it was almost perfectly gray, well not really cause if you look at a perfectly true gray code is 128:128:128 & O:255 With the (O) Meaning Other, no other color needed. Not sure what they mean by that maybe other colors we cannot detect out of normal vision and infared/UV? I am not sure just throwing that out there.

Anyways, I am not as much into drawing as I was years ago, I was pretty good in drawing, I never got into cgi, coding a little bit. In fact my avatar picture I did myself. That is a picture of a real skull negative. Gave it a chrome metal look and put some lighting strikes through it and got a cool effect. LOL. I did do some basic animated gif's. I work in the IT field, so I kind of got into web development and doing animated banners for people. Nothing as sophisticated as CGI. I do have a auto cad (autodesk software) costs a couple thousand dollars and I never even got into using it. How crazy is that? It just collects dust. I thought maybe I might get into 3d printing as that is some cool stuff. Making metal gears for things that you just cannot buy parts for anymore, I hear is a good business to get into. Casting as well. I'm always open for trying out something new.

originally posted by: sean
I mean there is trace of mix of blue in there and when the other fella said it was almost perfectly gray, well not really cause if you look at a perfectly true gray code is 128:128:128 & O:255 With the (O) Meaning Other, no other color needed.

I thought "O" was for "Opacity".

a reply to: ArMaP

Yeah, I was just thinking that now. It's been a while with this paint stuff, I am pretty rusty. Here it just labels it as other.

Alright... I took another picture grab and shoved it through a heavy cyan isolation filter. You can see there is a huge strip in the middle there on the Moon where the white/gray's are so overpowering. I marked the spots where the craft themselves are replaced with cyan and the shadows from the other craft are cyan as well. This is what I was trying to convey, there is a large white/gray strip on the Moon there drowning most of the blue out. I am still on the fence about the colors. However, what is the odd part is the shimmering in the video stops at 34 seconds. That and the odds of it not being main stream media.


Again, I have caught a glimpse of a UFO in 1987 long before any sophisticated graphics, CGI and all that. I didn't have the means to photograph. Those items was more expensive than the telescope itself. If anyone ever remembers how expensive a VHS camcorder cost around that time, or a nice 35mm camera. No digital cameras around yet.

I also, wanted to comment on the other picture posts. That does remind me... I do believe, I did see a strange horizontal shock wave go north to south across the Moon. I viewed that in the mid 90's when I did have a nice 35mm camera. It wasn't digital 35mm. I was viewing the moon through a large Nikon or Cannon 200mm lens. So big and heavy lens it had to have it's own tripod. It was the older much larger lenses about foot long. Anyways, When I viewed that, I thought there was something wrong with the Camera shutter mirrors or something cracked/broken.

Later on around year 2006 or so, I had a friend come by that had a nice infrared spot scope he showed me when he came to visit from back East. He spotted it at first and said WTH is that! He shook it and thought it was broke too! By the time I looked it was gone, but a minute or so later I saw it again. Same manner... a large horizontal shock wave pulse. So we saw it through a digital starlight scope and I viewed it years earlier through a more mechanical non-digital 35mm camera. So, there is something definitely very strange going on with the Moon. Whatever in the world it was it was really happening. Anyway, I thought I would share that. I completely forgot about it, till just now I been meaning to post that a long time.

I knew that simplifying the color explanation to help non-experts understand would lead to those same people erroneously making their own flawed counter arguments.

Some things to note:

1: When measuring colors you need to use the raw pixel data. You can NOT scale the image to make it larger before measuring unless you use "nearest neighbor" interpolation. Any other type of interpolation used to scale the image will generate pixel data that did not exist in the original, and invalidates the measurements. This means you can't measure the part of the video where they applies post process zoom. You have to take the sample before they zoom.

2: You can't use screen grabs either, it has to be raw data from the video for the same reasons as above. Otherwise internet video players may reduce resolution and or increase compression for your network speed which alters the pixel data.

3: Color measurement should ideally be made across multiple frames of the video, not just one. Compression artifacts, lens artifacts, internal shadows, image sensor flaws and or tolerances, debris on the lens, and many other factors can alter the pixels momentarily. If careful consideration of what is visible on the video is made you can use a single frame. For example, if you are sure there is not smudge where the UFO shadow is, you are ok.

4: You should restrict your measurements to the darkest shadows present on the Moon and not just any gray area you see, and compare that with the UFO's shadows. The UFO is supposedly more than a mile long, so the shadow should be just as large and dark as the darkest shadows on the Moon, and the same color. We don't see that.

With that said, here is a better way to frame the question:

Why are the top 50 least blue pixels in this entire image all in the UFO's shadow?



Above you can see the algorithm I wrote to take all the blue values of every pixel, sort them from smallest to largest value, then color the top 50 red. All of them end up in the UFO shadow.

See for your self:
jsfiddle.net...

Hoax...

a reply to: More1ThanAny1

So there is a large congregation of gray with an absence of blue so it must be fake? Alright... I could say...there is a absence of blue and dark gray in the white so therefore the white is also fake. Things are blue with a blue backdrop. However, you're mystified by there being a more concentrated gray shadow being cast over and in a backdrop of white that has absence of blue. Shadows do get darker in harsh direct sunlight. If you want to call it fake call it fake. I call it fake too, but for other reasons as well. Cheers.

a reply to: sean

My friend,
You're lack of knowledge of physics, light in general, is astounding.

The Moon normally appears black and white on a clear night. It is for the most part a grayscale image.



In the day, when the sky is still blue, the entire Moon and everything supposedly near it is viewed through a blue florescence from Earth. It is exactly like applying an additive blue layer on top of a grayscale image.



Now all that was black and gray is turned into shades of blue. Not a single shadow on the Moon should be pure gray. All of it has been given the same equal amount of blue.

You may not see it because of who you are, but this is what I see...



This is what it should have been:



They made a mistake on the color. The shadows of the UFOs are not possible.

a reply to: More1ThanAny1

That nothing like what we see lol

The shadows are fine

The only alter images I’m seeing here are yours

Next

a reply to: TritonTaranis

The shadows are fine as long as you ignore the direction they come from. Fake UFOs, fake shadows, the key part of the video is the instruction to subscribe.

Fake or not, its given us seven pages of healthy debate. I think the creators need a bit of credit just for that, it's not often a UFO clip causes a stir here these days.

a reply to: TritonTaranis

no they are not - and also another thing thats wrong = no change in illumination of the " objects " - despite an alledged change in atitude

a reply to: TritonTaranis

It was a demonstration. It was not meant to look identical. It was to show you that 2 + 2 = 4. The math doesn't seem to add up for you though. All this time I have been arguing about a mathematical impossibility, not an assumption.

Lets say you have a perfect shade of gray like 128, 128, 128 on the Moon. Since you are viewing the Moon through Earth's lit blue sky that will add +20 to the blue value and get 128, 128, 148. I know the sky isn't perfect blue so it should add a few points to other values too, but that is not necessary for this argument. I am just showing that 128 + 20 = 148.

Because of the Earth's sky all the pixels of the Moon should have an additional +20 blue component added. However, some reason the UFO's shadow doesn't have that... it has near perfect gray (all RGB values are similar) as if no blue was added by the sky.



That is why almost all the pixels in the rest of the image have around +20 blue component, but the UFO shadow doesn't.

The white parts of the Moon also have the blue component added, but because its already white it just gets closer to pure white. So they can be ignored.

Do you understand?