Doctors say Chloroquinine works, the media says its BS.

a reply to: 727Sky

I think in China and South Korea, they reserved it for those patients who had severe or worse symptoms. For the rest who had mild symptoms they could beat on their own, it wasn't recommended.

It's more of a drug that interferes with the virus's ability to replicate keeping viral load down giving patients a chance to rally and fight it on their own.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: anonentity

Everyone with half a brain knows mask work.

The government lies to you saying they do not work for you but every healthcare worker needs them. I understand why but it is a laughable lie.

It's pretty scary, actually. When you know they're (probably) lying and you know why and yet in your mind you still realize they're willing to screw you and leave you defenseless "for the greater good".

It's also pretty messed up that it seems to be physically impossible to make enough of a simple thing like a mask for everyone in any reasonable timeframe when lives depend on it. I mean, think about how many mindlessly complicated things humans manufacture in massive quantities every day and we can't make enough masks for everyone to stop a virus that has the whole planet in lockdown.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

The masks only work to inhibit someone who is ill from infecting others. The only way a mask keeps you from getting sick is if you have a specific type and if you have it fitted correctly.

By recommending that everyone wear one, they are basically making the assumption that everyone is infected, and if everyone is infected, why are we bothering with masks? It's too late by then.

a reply to: 727Sky

Speaking with a Doctor friend today who said they are not giving hydroxychlorquine out due to short supply and saving what they have for the infected at the hospitals.

Well, yes, I've read that they are reserving supplies for the worst conditions requiring hospitalizations; but there are also lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients (and others) who take hydroxychlorquine to manage their conditions. Some of these patients have been unable to get their prescriptions filled because of the shortage.

They darn sure think it works...

It's not just a matter of "if" it works, but how it works best -- dosing, for example, how much? how often? And is it working on the CoV itself or the secondary bacterial infections?

I am glad they do not have to put up with a bunch of red tape, FDA, politicians, and idiots for them to try a medicine that has been around for a very long time with little or no side effects..

That's just not true. There are some very serious side effects, including heart problems. Think logically here... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that a medication which causes heart issues may not be the best option for someone with lung and breathing issues. So it might be the perfect medication for someone with a secondary diagnosis of encephalitis, but NOT with a secondary diagnosis of pneumonia.

ETA: (I just pulled encephalitis out of a hat for an example... I have no idea if it works for encephalitis or not. Encephalitis came to mind because it is a known viral complication)

I took it back in the 60s and 70s as an anti Malarial drug.. Never got Malaria or maybe I was just lucky..

I'm glad it worked for you. That's great. No one is saying that it has no healing properties. But just because it's effective for one condition does not make it effective (or optimal) for another condition. And even if it is effective on multiple conditions, dosing protocol may be different for one condition than another.

Yeah, good thing the DOCTORS are the professionals; NOT the media.

a reply to: 727Sky

This explains the concerns about treating Covid with hydroxychlorquine much better:

Alam said he decided he could not apply the touted combination of the antimalarial hydroxychloroquine and antibiotic azithromycin because the side effects could be potentially fatal for his high-risk patients, many of whom had underlying heart issues.

“I knew I could not jeopardize these patients... We know from the FDA that azithromycin can cause fatal arrhythmia and abnormal heart failure that can lead to death,” Alam said.

His patients were under long-term acute care and had comorbidities such as hypertension, coronary artery disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease or congestive heart failure.

The FDA has warnings that azithromycin “can cause abnormal changes in the electrical activity of the heart that may lead to a potentially fatal irregular heart rhythm.” So instead, Alam replaced azithromycin with another decades-old antibiotic that doesn’t pose any known risks to the heart.

“Doxycycline is an anti-inflammatory with properties similar to azithromycin but without the safety concerns and without cardiac toxicity,” he said.

His substitution seems to be working:

“The majority had clinical improvement,” said Alam. “We had very good outcomes.”

Alam said that 38 of 47 patients treated returned to their baseline and their symptoms resolved. Seven of the patients were transferred to a hospital and two died. There was no control group in the study so Alam acknowledged more studies are needed to evaluate his protocol’s effectiveness.

Long Island doctor tries new twist on hydroxychloroquine for elderly COVID-19 patients

a reply to: Boadicea

No drug out there is completely safe and without side effects.

Keep in mind that chloroquine is and has been widely used for decades despite these side effects which are the same no matter its use.

This is why it's being used off label now, doctors are well aware of the risks. Those will not change even if the application it's being put to does.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Boadicea

No drug out there is completely safe and without side effects.

Of course.

Keep in mind that chloroquine is and has been widely used for decades despite these side effects which are the same no matter its use.

Of course. And these known side effects have to be considered in various ways.

This is why it's being used off label now, doctors are well aware of the risks. Those will not change even if the application it's being put to does.

Of course. And if it's hydroxychlorquine or nothing, then of course doctors are going to try it. But if they have better alternatives, whether an entirely different drug or simply a different combinations of drugs or just a different dosage, then it would be unethical not to use the better option. That's part of the process as well.

As I've said, it's not just a matter of "if," but also "how" and "when" and all that good stuff.

a reply to: Boadicea

What alternatives?

Right now, there are none.

a reply to: ketsuko
Remdesivir is also being tested and has had some promising results in some cases. Hydroxychlorquine is being tested as well but there has been no consensus about its effectiveness. They're also testing vitamin C and a number of other anti-viral and anti-parasitic drugs. One of the biggest challenges is that you can't give someone a drug, see them improve, and conclude that it was because of the drug. With COVID, the vast majority of people will get better on their own. The only way to know is to do complicated viral loading studies against a control. There is no time to do that in the middle of a pandemic. There is no hard, scientific evidence --- yet --- to say any particular drug works. Fingers crossed.

a reply to: ketsuko

By recommending that everyone wear one, they are basically making the assumption that everyone is infected, and if everyone is infected, why are we bothering with masks?

The way I understand it is that Everyone is "potentially" infected and many people are not social distancing enough (going to the store 2 or 3 times a week) and preventative cloth masking is seen as a possible way to prevent some community spread.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Boadicea

What alternatives?

Right now, there are none.

Yes, there are. And some might be equally as effective, or more effective. Some will have more or less side effects and adverse outcomes. And we'll never know if folks refuse to keep their minds open and inquisitive and conduct the appropriate studies.

I see jtma has already replied with some alternatives. I also posted this in a comment right before yours:

Long Island doctor tries new twist on hydroxychloroquine for elderly COVID-19 patients

Basically, the doctor used a different antibiotic without the known heart-threatening side effects to use with the hydroxychlorquine and is seeing good results.

The MSM is owned by the baby eating global cabal.

The MSM will soon be restructured.


These medicines are anti-parasitics...and they work....lots of natural remedies will kill off the parasites in you that enable bacteria and viruses to overwhelm your Auto-immune System and stop it from saving your life when you need that help.

Wormwood/Sweet Annie...Green Black Walnut Husk...cloves....DR.Hulda Clarks protocals...they work fine....combined with other dietary adjustments and specific Vitamin supplementary help.

People can grow their own remedies.Easily….and quickly...and if hundreds of millions of People all start Pandemic Gardens to help out this is not a problem anymore....it only requires extremely small amounts of these food based remedies to kill bugs dead.


Viruses are DEAD...ok...start rethinking things for yourself now before the masses....because the truth is now unstoppable....and its going to kick a lot of people squarely in the hass…..VitaminC works because it floods the bloodstream then breaks down into o2 and in doing so it KILLS bugs DEAD it doesn't kill already inanimate material like viral catalysts....soooooo….kiddes…..what could possibly be LIVING in your bloodstream LOOKING LIKE A VIRAL IMPACT?...WE HAVE A CHAMELEON...CALLED A PLEOMORPHIC BACTERIA…..AND THE vITAMIN c BOMB KILLS IT DEAD.

THE PLEOMORPHIC BACTERIA IS ALREAD insitu WITH 90% OF THE POPULATION BUT IT EXISTS IN BACTERIAL FORM AND MASS.....WITH ITS ABILITY TO PROJECT AS A "DEAD" VIRAL CATALYST OR A LIVE fUNGAL AGENT REMIANING DORMANT.

ALL TRUTHFULLY PARSED AND PROCESSED SCIENTIFIC AND MEDICAL RESULTS that concern the remediation of this Wu-Flu will be parts of the constellation of fact which represents a massive feedback loop which will always inevitably bring us directly to the Parasite-Pleomorphic Bacteria-Human relationship.

Parasites enter us as a normal part of life on Earth...they carry bacteria that produce viral catalysts....sometimes they carry Pleomorphic Chameleon type Bacteria that can exist in bacterial form and mass and in viral catalyst form and mass and also in fungal form and mass......this it the one they used to Farm us tactically managing the negative impacts of this Pleomorphic Bacteria they fraudulently called cancers.

a reply to: Boadicea

Most of the pharmaceuticals that do work against viruses, even zinc, do so by some part of the drug, when metabolized, interferes with some aspect of the virus' replication. It's a hit-or-miss kinda approach but the only one that was available at the outset. What's beginning to happen now that there's been some time is that companies are developing antibody-based treatments which is where we will see the most success. The 'spikes' you see in graphics of the virus are proteins that are specific for receptor proteins on the walls of cells in our body. These antibodies being developed are targeted to these virus 'spikes' and will attach to them. Once they do, those spikes can no longer attach to our cells since they are only able to attach to one protein at a time. And once attached, they're done. Then our immune system can clean house. This is where the 'cure' will come from.

a reply to: jtma508

That's fascinating... and it makes perfect sense. I know that the coronavirus got its name from those spikes and the resemblance to a crown. I didn't know this. And it's good to know!

Thank you

It appears that the efficacy of hydroxy chloroquine is derived from it being a zinc ionophore.

Lots of research going back years and years, specifically with regards to SARS and respiratory illnesses. Pretty interesting stuff, beyond its possible relevance to the current situation.

From the papers Ive read, enabling zinc to enter the cell wall more freely prevents viral replication. Zinc on its own might not do this, and the zinc ionophores might only be effective if the person has enough zinc in their system to begin with.

It seems to work best when combining supplemental zinc alongside the ionophores. Really, really interesting stuff.

ETA: Not a doctor, and admittedly, a lot of the papers are so dense that they can be tricky to parse.

here is how this drug works


they dont use Hydroxychlorquine alone, its a combination of three things, it appears that Hydroxychlorquine helps Zinc to get into the cells, it creates a door in the cell.

We don’t have a death rate higher than China here in the US... Source your claim OP. We don’t need more false info spreading...


a reply to: anonentity

Zinc is the "silver bullet" for the virus. It disrupts the replicase (enzyme) from making more single stranded RNA viruses. The key is to get the zinc past the phospholipid bilayer via ion channel which zinc is an ion. Quercetin, check Amazon, is an ionophore...meaning, it opens the ion channel for zinc to enter infected cell, and disrupt the virus replication process.