The events of Revelation begin with a pandemic

Religious leaders of Christendom do not teach correctly who the rider of the white horse is because of the false teaching of the Trinity.

It is obvious that the same rider of the white horse is in Revelation 19. There we are told that he is the "King of kings, and Lord of lords," he is "the word of God" and he is an angel. The rider of the white horse is Jesus Christ. No others would fit the descriptions. The horse he rides represents warfare, and the white represents righteousness. That is Jesus Christ rides forth to wage righteous warfare, he rides forth to conquer and to complete his conquest!

a reply to: ApocalypseRising
"Religious leaders" have never offered any official theory on the point, so that grievance is irrelevant.
I'm not a religious leader, but in other threads I've demonstrated-
a) That the first horseman must be of the same destructive character as the other three- Four Horsemen- Why?
b) That the first horseman is carrying the symbols which identify him specifically as plague. Four Horsemen How?. Of course this was outlined in the opening post as well, so I don't need to repeat the whole argument.

a reply to: DISRAELI

I agree with the above poster you need to study these verses very closely.

Revelation 19:11-16

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who was riding it is called Faithful and True (trustworthy, loyal, incorruptible, steady), and in righteousness He judges and wages war [on the rebellious nations]. 12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many royal crowns; and He has a name inscribed [on Him] which no one knows or understands except Himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, [dazzling] white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword (His word) with which He may strike down the nations, and He will [g]rule them with a rod of iron; and He will tread the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty [in judgment of the rebellious world]. 16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name inscribed, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

Revelation is a complex book hard to understand, but the white horse has Jesus on it.

Revelation 6



Revelation 19

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
It's simple enough. There are two different white horses.

The above poster belongs to the same religious community as you, so he doesn't count as independent testimony.
You yourselves need to study carefully Zechariah ch1 and Zechariah ch6. As I've already demonstrated in the "Four Horsemen, why?" thread which is linked above (meaning that I'm not going to go through the whole argument all over again), Zechariah shows four horsemen/chariots being sent out together, for the same purpose.

In fact there's a combination of metaphors- the four horsemen are also the four destructive winds which are being held back in ch7 v1. Have none of you noticed this?

You people love to sneer at "religious leaders". Your religious leaders are the ones who are allowing dogmatism to obstruct clear interpretation of this passage.

I mean, I kind of feel like the plague mentioned in Revelations for the end of the world would be a little stronger than a mild Chinese flu.

But it's easy to see how the world would react if something that was actually deadly (more than 1% consisting of elderly and people with existing health problems) and possibly airborne was released. It would be insanity.

a reply to: jjkenobi
In the OP I carefully refrained from identifying THIS event as necessarity the Revelation event.

I've also pointrd out to other people that the deaths in Revelation ch6 are not plague alone. They come from the whole combination- plague, war, and famine.
If someobody does something stupid, like attacking Iran or China, we may have to think again.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

His name is called The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, [dazzling] white and clean, followed Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp sword (His word) with which He may strike down the nations.

The gospel of John identifies the Word of God as Jesus which reveals the above rider as the Christ. This rider has a sharp sword which is not the weapon of the first horseman of the apocalypse. That previous rider on a white horse has a bow to inflict damage with poison. DISRAELI quoted the scripture that proves the arrows are associated with some sort of pestilence.

“You will not fear the terror of the night,
Nor the arrow that flies by day,
Nor the pestilence that stalks in darkness,
Nor the destruction that wastes at noonday”- Psalm 91 vv5-6

Jesus doesn't come with his holy angels until later in Revelation. Why would he be part of those earlier four horsemen?

a reply to: DISRAELI

It's simple enough. There are two different white horses.

But what about the rider of said horses ?

Just so you know our perspective is not unique within Christianity, from Wiki..

Irenaeus, an influential Christian theologian of the 2nd century, was among the first to interpret this Horseman as Christ himself, his white horse representing the successful spread of the gospel. Various scholars have since supported this notion, citing the later appearance, in Revelation 19, of Christ mounted on a white horse, appearing as The Word of God. Furthermore, earlier in the New Testament, the Book of Mark indicates that the advance of the gospel may indeed precede and foretell the apocalypse. The color white also tends to represent righteousness in the Bible, and Christ is in other instances portrayed as a conqueror.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Even if it is not the same one, it is precisely the kind of event that anyone who takes the book seriously needs to be looking out for.

Man, I only take nonna serious these days. She got right to the point.

"Europe will become empty" - Baba Vanga

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
All four horses have got riders. Are they all supposed to indicate someone special?
Anyone, whoever he might be, who gives a "benevolent" interpretation to the first horse, is ignoring the implications of the Zechariah parallels. And also the fact, which I draw to your attention once more, that the "four" of ch6 are pictured again as the four destructive winds of ch7 v1.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Chariot drawn horses, it's a different prophesy, and one of the horses is speckled.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
And I maintain that they are a parallel which helps to explicate the meaning of Revelation. The colours are not important. That's how Revelation works, by offering scenes and phrases inspired by the Old Testament, so that the meaning of the Revelation passages can be read off from the Old Testament originals. I did a whole thread series on that basis. And I will remind you yet again that the "four" of ch6 are also pictured as the four destructive winds of ch7 v1.

I put a lot of work into this book. I believe I understand it better than the guides you are following, partly because I wasn't trying to make it fit into any dogmatic strait-jacket.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33



Revelation 6:2 did not say this person on the white horse was the Word of God or Jesus. It’s presumptuous to believe that.

From your own translation.

“And I saw, and look! a white horse, and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest.”



Revelation 19:11-16 did not say this rider on a white horse had a bow or even a cape.

“I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God. Also, the armies in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. And out of his mouth protrudes a sharp, long sword with which to strike the nations and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. Moreover, he treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his outer garment, yes, on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.”

This rider should only be drawn with a sword. I might take back the cape comment. It looks like the cape is entirely covered in blood and you might be able to get away with calling it his outer garment. However, the image has a very DC Comics look sporting that red cape. You know who I mean.

a reply to: DISRAELI
Only one small problem. Religious scholars insist John was writing in the past tense.

a reply to: Redhead6971
His statements would be in the past tense, because John is describing what he saw. The vision is in his past, even if it presents events in his future.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Looks like a another trumpet has sounded
www.bbc.co.uk...

a reply to: DISRAELI

Then do more research into the white horses, white it's never evil in the bible only righteous and pure even in divine judgement.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Just because someone interprets it as Christ doesn't mean it is.

How many comings does Christ have?

He came at His first Advent. He is the Rider of the first of the Four Horsemen of Apocalypse. He comes through the clouds and force all to kneel and acknowledge Him. He comes down to step on the Mount and it splits when he comes at the head of the armies of Heaven with His sword at the very, very end ...

I have now counted four potential comings ...

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

So Christ in the time of forgiveness is the only one who can be put in that category?

Or perhaps the only one who can seem to be in that category?

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
In the meantime, you'd better do some research into the four winds, which are God's agents for judgement.