The events of Revelation begin with a pandemic

Woman drunk on the blood of saints:
Adrenochrome

Isaiah 26
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a reply to: GnuWorldOrder
"Blood of the saints" means martyred Chrsitians. It's a metaphor.

a reply to: DISRAELI

I believe that their purpose has already been fulfilled, and that it was in relation to the Jews.
Sometimes the Hebrew scriptures do not extend beyond that time frame.

Expand your your thinking.
The bible is the living word.
Its literal and metaphotic and has many meanings.

Think about it children havent reached the age of accountability...
Therefore if martyred they absolutely fall in this category.

Unrelated dale gribble the map shows beast from Daniel... Think Rome.


Legs of iron feet of clay

Shown right in our face on king of the hill as lesser magic.


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a reply to: Blue_Jay33
The four winds are also in Revelation ch7 v1, as I've been trying to point out several times.
The stopping of the four winds is the stopping of the four horsemen. They are alternative metaphors.

a reply to: DISRAELI

The context is critical, the four horsemen start at the beginning of the last days and ride until they gallop right into the start of the great tribulation, this tribulation unleashes the 4 winds afterwards, read Rev. 7:3. Those winds are being held back presently, but angels will let them go when they are commanded to and it will devastate the world systems when they do.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
The four horsemen ARE the period of tribulation. Not the "great" tribulation, though, because that comes through the trumpets which follow the sealing.

The distinction between the four horsemen and the four winds is totally artificial, devised as a way to support a false interpretation, in order to squeeze Revelation into a pre-arranged dogmatic schema. Your guides are not looking at the text with honesty.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Are you saying "the last days" the horseman run during, equal "a period of tribulation" ?

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a reply to: Blue_Jay33
All I'm doing is referring to the sequence of events.
I've done threads outlining this, but I'll sum it up from memory

There is a period of destruction; the four horsemen/four winds of ch6. But the martyrs are warned (fifth seal) that this period will not see the completion of God's vengeance.

In accordance with this warning, the destructive period, or time, or whatever you want to call it, is interrupted in ch7 v1, for the sake of the sealing. This is a time of recovery for the world, during which the Beast rises to power.

Initially God lets him be ("silence in heaven", ch 8v1). But when the Beast begins persecuting the saints, they appeal to God for help (ch8 v4), and in response God sends the time of catastrophe signalled by the trumpets. That is the tribulation which deserves to be called "great"- though, strictly speaking, the persecution itself is the time of tribulation (compare ch1 v9).

White in Revelation represents righteousness, holiness. See Revelation 3:4; 7:9, 13, 14.

Angels are usually depicted as wearing white. See Mark 16:5; John 20;12; Rev 19:14.

In Revelation God's throne of righteous judgement is white. See Revelation 20:11.

There can be no denying that white is indeed symbolic of that which is pure in God's eyes, that which is clean, holy, righteous.

The riders of the white horse in Revelation 6 and Revelation 19 thus ride forth with righteousness, holiness.

Truth and honesty is a part of the good fruit of God's spirit.

Who rides forth to conquer and to complete his conquest?

Jesus is the one that is given the commission to begin to reign in the midst of his enemies. To conquer them, and at Armageddon complete his conquest.

Psalm 45 3-6 - Strap your sword on your side, O mighty one,
In your dignity and your splendor.
 And in your splendor go on to victory;
Ride in the cause of truth and humility and righteousness,
And your right hand will accomplish awe-inspiring things.
 Your arrows are sharp, making peoples fall before you;
They pierce the hearts of the king’s enemies.
  God is your throne forever and ever;
The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness.


Psalm 110:2 - Jehovah will extend the scepter of your power out of Zion, saying:
“Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.”


The rider of the white horse will conquer and will complete his conquest! He rides in the cause of truth and humility and righteousness. His arrows are sharp, making peoples fall before him. They pierce the hearts of the king's enemies.


Revelation 6 2 -  And I saw, and look! a white horse, and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest.



The crown is Jesus' alone. Neither, , famine, warfare, or plague receive the crown of righteousness that Jesus receives as the King of kings, and Lord of lords.


Jesus is now conquering among his enemies in heaven. And will ride forth in the near future to complete his conquest at Armageddon even as foretold at Revelation 19. There we are told that Jesus will break kings to pieces on the day of God's anger and wrath against wicked mankind.


Also, as the red horse is granted to take peace away from the earth and represents warfare, and the black horse, is given a pair of scales and a voice proclaims: "“A quart of wheat for a de·narʹi·us and three quarts of barley for a de·narʹi·us; and do not harm the olive oil and the wine," thus representing famine.

Thus the fourth horse rides forth and is pale. It has the name Death. "And authority was given them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with a long sword and with food shortage and with deadly plague and by the wild beasts of the earth." Revelation 6 3-8.

The riders of the four horsemen have ravaged humankind with war, famine, plagues, by means of pestilence, great earthquakes, all throughout the end times. Hundreds of millions have died by their power. No wonder the rider of the pale horse is named Death, and has the grave following behind it to gather together such a great harvest of dead due to the plagues unleashed upon humanity by their ride.

Notice that the grave follows these. So we know this cannot refer to the time of the great tribulation. At that point when Jesus arrives to execute judgement on humankind we are told that those executed by his hand will be destroyed forever:

"But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels  in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.  These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength."

1 Thessalonians 1 7-9.


Revelation tells us that during the 1,000 year reign the grave will give up those dead in them as they are brought back to life:


"And the sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the Grave gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds."
-Revelation 20 13


Those who are destroyed during the great tribulation do NOT go to the grave. They go to Gehenna, or the lake of fire, which means the second death. For them there is no resurrection.

So it is obvious that the ride of the 4 horsemen cannot be during the coming great tribulation, or Armageddon. It has to be during the period of the last days when the majority of all mankind who has died go to the grave and are awaiting a resurrection.

a reply to: ApocalypseRising
You had better read my replies to your Watchtower colleague and take them as replies to yourself. I'm not going to be explaining things over and over again.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Along with the fruitage of the spirit comes spiritual discernment. Part of having that fruitage is truth and righteousness. Eph 5 8, 9.

The scriptures reveal the truth, and it is understood by means of the spirit. There can be no denying what they reveal, and what you have been given is accurate and reliable from God's word.

a reply to: ApocalypseRising
That is true, and I invite you to read what I have been given on this topic;
Revelation- project complete

Irregardless we agree that pandemics fulfill bible prophesy, we disagree on other technical details and timelines.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33
We have reached that conclusion, anyway.

(Official Reply, Argument Nullified ... ... ... see details)

(Background in Parenthesis) (After Edward Leedskalnin was resolved in their sin pleasure of that day ("the man they could not hang" (jews)), and their accusation for pleasure was they, he killed his mother, burned down their house to hide the evidences, and etc., all fake................Edward Leedskalnin, the wive and space ship, the mercy god gave him, crashed into the earth in the siberia explosion that targeted the jewish population)

(That "resonance" sent a charge through this earth and its people, a charge that did not apply to those genetic lines, and that generation would suffer until that cycle ended, the holocaust was inevitable, the breeding grounds were already put into motion, the circumstances surrounding that are less significant)

("resonances" between "spirituality" and higher dimensional forces, that impact man, even if they have no measurement system for it, or choose to be willfully ignorant)

(because those argument can be tethered to mankind's suicide/sin pleasure. you can understand in simple terms how, their false accusation and pleasure in killing his mother, capital punishment, or etc. .............. lead to an almost immediate holocaust when his wive and space ship were cast into this earth and killed) (its not an argument I would do, or would see as valuable today, but during that time, without industrialization or an information age ............. history answers itself it was very effective, but that is also based on an individual's choice, probably not more effective then introducing god's mercies in a more formal and enduring way) (end of background)

(the question is not if a, virus begins the events of revelation, but how and where does it fit in)

God allowed Moses to build an ark of the covenant, to illustrate a "unified field", as a picture of the gospel's completion..............what they did understand was the the "Ark of the Covenant" revealed a rainbow of sorts (sometimes called a "ribbon")..............that wasn't a coffin or anything for Moses, they didn't have a body, when he died. however::::::::::::::::

God allowed the "ark of the covenant" to fall into the hands of a people outside of isreal, in that day, and that was a picture of the Resurrection of Moses in the last day, as mentioned in Revelation................there was "plagues" associated with the "Ark of the Covenant" when it did fall into hands of a people not in isreal.
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The Events in Revelation, technically began with the measurement of "616 or 636 or 666", restated as a measurement, in Revelation 14:20 ======= 1600 Furlongs or Day ............ From Turin Shroud of Jesus Burning 1997 to the 9/11/2001 Falling Man Moses ======== The beginning of the Events of Revelation when God touched this earth, in the name of the "son of man", not in the name of jesus or anything as the form of rebuke.

(you are not entitled to a judgement from god for this earth, explicitly, until this dead flesh issue is resolved sufficiently, those genetic lines tribes are removed from the book of revelation for a reason, JESUS WAS NOT IN THE TOMB=no judgment)

This will be resolved shortly .......... however ............ when Jesus Rose from the Cross (he was not found in the tomb), Jesus went to the place of the skull, that is to say ............... jesus identified with the design element the human body naturally expresses in the present of a unified field, a kind of spontaneous changes in some ways.

God's behavior is cyclical for this earth in relation to the son of man, since God has denounced a judgment for this earth .............. the "coronavirus" or a plague, would be the result of a rebuke from your sin/suicide/pleasure with the son of man, in the case of moses. This was already declared in the parable of the ark, as a picture of the second coming of moses, when it fell out of the hands of isreal, shortly before god resolves this issue of suicide with the son of man's testimony and mankind (by doing nothing with this earth), things may go back to normal.

this has also been the new testament trend if you want to view it that way.

the book of revelation is, in itself, not an invalid book, its just not acted no, because of god's accusation of dead flesh with humanity ............. that is man's responsibility to remove those genetic lines that hamper the "unified field" for this earth (or noah's rainbow), that identifies with god's blessings for this generation (otherwise god's mercies will be derived off world, and a solution from that for earth is the general new testament pattern).

(edward leedskanin wanted to wrestle with god over cutting those genetic lines off spiritually, so that mankind could not recieve as much sin/suicide pleasure, in their accusation against god of dead flesh...........that is the legal rational behind his actions................today 9/11/2001 falling man moses, is round 2 of "covid-19" .............. there is no real round 3, all of this is resolved, but humanity is capable of a lot more suffering in its sin/suicide pleasure with moses, whoever he is)

This is the topical application of the thread on "Four horsemen- How?", which I am bumping at the same time.
Let me observe, again, that this thread was written in October 2014 and published here in March. It is not "proohecy after the event".

It been said that the darkest year in recorded histroy was 526 A.D, an fits in with folklore behind meteors an comets. Halleys Comet( White Rider) had a piece break off an Europe, leading to other said events, or plagues that are symbolic of the four horsemen represent.

"I saw Satan fall like thunder."

It been widely believed that meteorites go hand an hand with plagues, omens, demon stars, orbad luck, like the story of Moses which led to the massacre of children born on the day it showed up. Even Asia superstitious about meteors or comets, that they are called Skydogs, or later, Tengu.

Would the four winds correspond with the mention of the four living creatures, which depicts a tetramorph or cherub, since the animals used also represent the Zodiac.

Btw, i heard Red Wine just like chicken soup.

universal progression
any time there is war there is a disruption in food growth and distribution. in WWII Japan and the Soviet Union suffered much hunger, and Italy some. Greece and parts of India were hard hit. Even the Brits had to tighten their belts a bit. Germany suffered at the end.
when people are underfed / malnourished they become more susceptible to disease. also, ruined infrastructure leads to poor sanitation. more sickness/disease.
starvation, malnourishment, sickness, disease, death.

I don't think people today realize just how fragile the food system is. war on any scale will be disastrous.