The events of Revelation begin with a pandemic

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: HallowedEarth
Thank you. I've done a separate thread on the "mark", and I should point out that I don't agree with the RFID theory. Half the point of the mark is that some people choose to accept it and some people don't, which rules out anything compulsory. The other half is that it has to indicate a fairly explicit rejection of the Biblical God- otherwise God would not be angry about it.
My solution to identifying the mark is to identify a world-dominating, Christian-persecuting ruler first, and then notice what he uses to identify his followers.

Umm those who do not accept it are KILLED so yeah thats some free choice there huh? Oh and the mark bearers will also OPENLY SWEAR their devotion to the antichrist and denounce God. You CANNOT get a mark by being Tricked. you will know what you are doing.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Something ought to be said about the background of this thread. The original document carries a date-stamp of October 2014. It has been sitting in my Drafts folder ever since then, with the intention that it should be published on ATS on the next official announcement of a pandemic (so that’s how long it’s been since the last one

That's very clever and a great lesson.

SnF

a reply to: DISRAELI

When do you think Worm wood will hit?

a reply to: JON666
Wormwood being one of the features of the "trumpet" sequence, it would come after the great ch7 "pause" in the action. Not knowing how long that pause will be, apart from including the symbolic "half an hour", I couldn't pin dow the event closer than that.

I've seen it whispered that we were in a seven years of plenty before seven years of famine cycle similar to what Joseph saw in Pharaoh's dreams in the OT.

I wasn't really placing a huge amount of credence in that, but that way they're reacting to this ... the way you're reacting to this with four horsemen talk ...

This could tank out the economy. I don't like saying that, but a plague, even one as relatively mild as this could provoke a meltdown leading to the other three horsemen in a short amount of time. It could be argued that the Great Depression brought on WWII. All that was lacking there was pestilence.

a reply to: ketsuko
Yes, that's the mechanism. I will stop short of making confident predictions, but keep a close eye on things.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: ketsuko
Yes, that's the mechanism. I will stop short of making confident predictions, but keep a close eye on things.

I always keep a close eye on things. Prophecy fascinates me. I'm not a predictor. I'm a watcher. Things look interesting right now, but they've looked interesting before too.

I just keep watching and praying. I've had a few dreams in my life that I felt like God was telling me something, and right now I feel like this is where I'm supposed to be. I feel at peace if that makes any sense.

ch6 of revelation is good

but Matthew 24:7-8 gives a better rendering of 'Pestilence' and the time-line:

see:

MAT 24:7-8 prophecy

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.

the 'coronavirus' is just one Strain of ongoing Pestilences that are directed at humanity, which I suggest began with the creation of HIV

'beginning of sorrows' is placing these series of Pestilences prior to the AC being Revealed/ setting up the Abomination-of-Desolation

the Pestilences menu so far was HIV/SARs/MERs/COVID19...
I expect there to be 6 (six) more Corona strains of virus to befall humans during the 'Sorrows' time frame
(note that corona translates as 'Crown' and in Revelation chapters 12 & 13 we are told of 10 'crowns' which were upon the 10 horns of the Beast Empire.

..the 'Crowns' were instrumental in creating the 10 nations which then united into a 'Beast Empire' led by the AC)

see:

Rev 12:3
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 13:1
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

not to cloud-up the 'crowns' issue but a deeper understanding should be delved into about the 'red dragon' in the Sky and the 'beast' that rose from the sea and the 17 'crowns' of the visions/prophecy


simply put.... I contend that the great-red-dragon is China, and I suppose that another 9 nations mix viruses at bio-weapons labs (hence 10 horns)

a series of medical Pandemics will create conditions for a Globalist-led, Eugenics loving, DNA manipulating power-Bloc will become the AC Beast Kingdom and bring about the TEOTWAWKI, Dystopia of Daniel & Revelation

a reply to: St Udio
What you're getting out of Matthew is esentially the same as what Im getting out of Revelation.
I've suggested that the Beast comes to power as a consequence of the 4 Horsemen, and the "trumpet" catastrophes are God''s way of dealing with the Beast.

a reply to: DISRAELI
Quick marker,
1st Virus 2020

2nd Civil Wars. 2021

3rd Famine. 2022

4th Death/rebirth. 2023

1 the virus is where the people begin to suspect of an insidious controlling force responsible for the terrors of humanity.
2 this creates civil wars across the globe, the supply chain stops. Those that stay in densely populated areas have no chance.
3 famine is inevitable

4 Death of the old, phoenix rises from the ashes

a reply to: ManyMasks
Why spread them out even as much as that? As I pointed out in the 2010 thread, Plague, War, and Famine are all causes of death, so it is a little absurd that Death should not accompany them. I pictured them as almost simultaneous, "fanning out across the world, with Death following on behind the causes of death and picking up the dead bodies". (That quotation is from memory, but probably close enough)

The seals come off quick and hard and make people begin to look for a savior. IMO, there are two saviors -- the false one (beast) and then later on the real one (final second coming). If there were to be a time when He comes through the clouds and everyone must acknowledge Him (rapture style event - not a true second coming, more of a sign), it will firmly divide people into three camps I think: those who are driven even more firmly into hating and denying in that manner, those who despair and fall for the beast in hope only to be sadly mistaken, and those who will realize what they missed and hold firm then even through the worst of the end up until martyrdom if they must.

I don't really know for sure what will happen only that what happens is what is supposed to happen.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Just with the numerology
2023 has some powerful numbers and they add to 7 which death/rebirth as far as I'm aware.
For example a week ends and begins after 7 days.
Then theres numbers 22 and 23 at play that signal death and rebirth.

Also I've noticed North America looks a bit like a dragon on the world map.

a reply to: ketsuko
N.B. the Beast is described as "rising out of the earth". That is, he doesn't even appear to come from heaven. Also Jesus pointed out that we could recognise "false Christs" by the fact that we could go somewhere to see them, whether "in the wilderness" or somewhere else on earth.
My understanding of "in the clouds of heaven" is that the true Christ will be coming so manifestly bearing the full power of God that it will not even be possible for doubt to be present in our minds. Therefore any possibility of doubt woud identify a false Christ.

a reply to: ManyMasks
I have no respect for numerology, except in the very limited sense in which Revelation uses symbolic numbers.

a reply to: DISRAELI

I know.

I meant that the seals make people look - all of us. You cannot deny you're looking even now.


*If* there were to be some sort of event where He comes through the clouds prior to the final second coming, no one will be able to deny it's Him. No one as you say. This sort of event is always linked with the idea of a rapture. Whether that happens or not, I think such a thing (seeing Him in the clouds) would cause things to happen to us.

For those who hate God now and deny Him out of that hatred, it would drive them even further from Him.

For the rest, it would either cause despair driving them to look even harder for Him. Or it would spark stronger faith in Him causing them to hold harder.

When the Beast arrives claiming to be the savior after this event, those who hate God already are going to jump knowing it's not Him. Those who despair will be seeking and also jump in very high numbers I think.

But that's just assuming you get that kind of event.

a reply to: DISRAELI

I had no respect for numerology, magick or any of the sorts but my thoughts have changed, I'm not set on anything though, I just know every action has an effect, and emotion is also very powerful at causing effects. The collective conscious is high on negative emotion right now, who knows the effect that will have... Especially in this modern age of IT

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: ketsuko
N.B. the Beast is described as "rising out of the earth". That is, he doesn't even appear to come from heaven. Also Jesus pointed out that we could recognise "false Christs" by the fact that we could go somewhere to see them, whether "in the wilderness" or somewhere else on earth.
My understanding of "in the clouds of heaven" is that the true Christ will be coming so manifestly bearing the full power of God that it will not even be possible for doubt to be present in our minds. Therefore any possibility of doubt woud identify a false Christ.

Upon HIs return it will be visible all at once no secret rapture no u turns in heaven just His glorious return as the lightening from yhe east to the west

a reply to: JON666
Exactly so. We get that from Matthew ch24.

a reply to: JON666

Remember, I said "if" meaning I'm not sold on any one theory.

I like to think about what might happen if any or all of them came to pass.

I know God knows what will happen and it will be what it needs to be.