Stimulus check 2020, should the disabled get it

a reply to: wyrmboy12

They have to give us something to appease us when they sink twice as much into the failing zombies in the financial markets again.

Here's the only way $1000 is going to stimulate the economy - if we each take the money, put it into contrary positions in the stock market and try to recoup some of the losses our retirement plans and savings have suffered.

Although I can see, as a disables soon-to-be-shutin myself, that grand will help with the UberEats and GrubHub charges that are sure to pile up. Along with the extra overnight shipping charges on the groceries from amazon & walmart.

Or we could buy "some really good #" and just fuggedaboudit...
(There's a trailer park just down the block across the street which brought that to mind)

ganjoa

A lot of people here are talking about how taxpayers should benefit but no one else. I guess no one here knows that disability income is taxed too just like any other income.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
A lot of people here are talking about how taxpayers should benefit but no one else. I guess no one here knows that disability income is taxed too just like any other income.

Folks are too hung up on fair. Trump walks into the class room with a pack of gum and everyone cries and whines. Its like the Anne Frank movie, watching folks bicker over how to divide a cake evenly.

The fact is: the money is being issued as economic stimulus. Poor people, disabled people, wealthy people....everyone spends money and everyone stimulates the economy. The goal is to push cash into circulation. That is what is trying to be achieved...get cash circulating to keep the economy going.

The goal isn't to reward taxpayers. its not to catch Trumpers slipping on socialism. Its none of that. Its 100% about putting cash into circulation so the economy moves rather than receding or stagnating. From that perspective, no one cares if you are disabled or a tax payer. The only thing that matters is your capacity to spend $1000. And everyone has that.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Bluntone22

The only people that should receive anything are the people out of work because of the pandemic.

Disabled people will still be getting their regular income.
So do school teachers.

I think a stoppage of mortgage/rent for 2 months would stimulate a good deal and then we do not need to use taxes to stimulate.

What about those of us that rely on rental income to survive?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Back in my youth, I heard it said that if the government gave everyone $1000, people would find a reason to complain.

I guess it's true after all.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Back in my youth, I heard it said that if the government gave everyone $1000, people would find a reason to complain.

I guess it's true after all.

TheRedneck

Well yah, I need at least 3k month to be relaxed. What's 1k gonna do for me? But I'll take what I can get. I have paid my fair share in my life.

I think all the wealthy, virtue signaling celebrities have a chance to put their money where their big mouths are. They have millions to donate to the people who are hurting now.

Will they? And I mean donating directly to the people, not the CF.

a reply to: toolgal462

"They have millions to donate to the people who are hurting now."
Completely agree.
Imagine the changes that could be made if the wealthiest people, just in America alone, focused their combined assets and resources on any given problem.

originally posted by: ChayOphan
a reply to: toolgal462

"They have millions to donate to the people who are hurting now."
Completely agree.
Imagine the changes that could be made if the wealthiest people, just in America alone, focused their combined assets and resources on any given problem.

I am not on Twitter or FB, but someone ought to start asking these virtue signalling celebs about it.

a reply to: toolgal462

I made zero last year. Zero. Not a single penny came into my possession while I waited for disability.

Muzzleflash just bravely gave us all an insight into someone in even worse financial condition.

If you cannot live through a short period of no income, you're not prepared for anything. You are one of the zombies waiting for an apocalypse. Your entire existence is dependent on green paper that a government tells you is worth something. That's the difference between those who will survive this panic that we have all done to ourselves: those who are able and willing to tighten their belt, buck up, and do what has to be done will make it. Those unwilling to do so... well, their survival is a maybe.

We talk a lot on here about personal responsibility. There is nothing responsible about spitting on a handout offered. If this happens to me, I will consider it a bonus; if it happens to you, can you consider it the same or must you see it as not enough, a mere pittance that in itself harms you? What will you do if that check never comes? Will you somehow be better off than if it does? It's not owed to you... it is a gift, not a paycheck.

I know your posts, and I say these things to you not as a condemnation but as a wake-up call, a reminder if you will. It's time to stop talking the talk and start walking the walk.

TheRedneck

a reply to: ChayOphan

Someone would complain if they tried. This thread proves that. As a matter of fact, someone would probably sue them if they tried.

Why would anyone give away money if their reward was being sued?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: toolgal462

I made zero last year. Zero. Not a single penny came into my possession while I waited for disability.

Muzzleflash just bravely gave us all an insight into someone in even worse financial condition.

If you cannot live through a short period of no income, you're not prepared for anything. You are one of the zombies waiting for an apocalypse. Your entire existence is dependent on green paper that a government tells you is worth something. That's the difference between those who will survive this panic that we have all done to ourselves: those who are able and willing to tighten their belt, buck up, and do what has to be done will make it. Those unwilling to do so... well, their survival is a maybe.

We talk a lot on here about personal responsibility. There is nothing responsible about spitting on a handout offered. If this happens to me, I will consider it a bonus; if it happens to you, can you consider it the same or must you see it as not enough, a mere pittance that in itself harms you? What will you do if that check never comes? Will you somehow be better off than if it does? It's not owed to you... it is a gift, not a paycheck.

I know your posts, and I say these things to you not as a condemnation but as a wake-up call, a reminder if you will. It's time to stop talking the talk and start walking the walk.

TheRedneck

Actually, I can survive, I've always been good and responsible with my money. And even with the hit in the markets, I have money there too. I am sorry if you have gotten the wrong impression from my posts. I also have no problem with anyone on disability or welfare getting a 1k check.

Most people, however, are not even in as good of a spot as me. Those are the people I was referring.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: ChayOphan

Someone would complain if they tried. This thread proves that. As a matter of fact, someone would probably sue them if they tried.

Why would anyone give away money if their reward was being sued?

TheRedneck

no one is going to complain and it's doubtful one could be sued for giving away money.

a reply to: TheRedneck

CNN has a memo from the treasury dept. I dont think we will be getting anything, not unless we paid taxes. And I think many will be getting far less than the thousand dollars, since it the treasury secretary has his way, the amount will be based on family size and level of income.
Of course that is what the treasury is suggesting, not necessarily what congress will decide to do.
Sorry to burst peoples bubbles, but generally speaking, they dont seem to care much when it comes to single one person households...

a reply to: toolgal462

Fair enough; posts can be taken the wrong way. My apologies for doing so.

I am in a similar situation, but I live on about $1000/month now. I own my home; I own my car; I have my little lab and a home office I can work a little in. There are no guarantees to free-lance research, but it fills my day. And I will always have food; my wife just brought in the third egg today; we have deer in abundance; I have fruit trees in abundance; while I am a bit too weak to grow a garden, we have neighbors who do and are happy to share. And polk salad is free, as is plantain and dandelions.

I also have the money from my back-pay, tucked safely away for tough times. I will survive with or without this check. Whether or not I get it, my life will go on as before.

As to those who may not... this will sound harsh, but I don't mean it to. It's just the truth. For well over a decade I have been on this very site, advising people to learn to survive hard times. In real life, I have been showing people how to survive hard times, often by example, for much longer. At some point, though, as much as I have compassion for those who will be harmed by this economic disaster, I cannot force them to do what needs to be done. They have to someday either stand or fall on their own two feet. I cannot do it for them.

Welcome to someday.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
...I have my little lab...

As in 'small dog' or 'small bio-weapon facility'?

I'm late to this particular party but I'll say this much: every adult American should get it immediately.

The dollar multiplier effect from the bottom up alone is several orders of magnitude more powerful than any other form of economic stimulus.

a reply to: toolgal462

no one is going to complain and it's doubtful one could be sued for giving away money.

Au contraire. My first career was as a structural draftsman. When i started, it was common for draftsmen to get bonuses for exceptional or speedy work. It made the pay much more palatable.

That all changed when companies started getting sued and labor complaints lodged against them because the draftsmen who didn't work on the jobs that got bonus pay, wouldn't work harder or faster for the bonuses, didn't get the same money for less work. So the bonuses went away.

Why would things be any different today? That was before McDonalds was sued for their hot coffee being hot.

TheRedneck

Sadly, that is MOST people. Like my parents, who are not prepared for this despite acquiring assets in their lifetime, but with a mom pissing hundreds of thousands away on scratch tix.

I have made a few comments about it, even with this going on, she is only worried about her ability to go out and scratch all night.

I of course have stocked up on enough food and TP and even pet food for myself and those around me as well. I saw this coming 2 months ago and I was warning people 2 months ago.

So, I am not worried for me, but I am most def worried for my folks and for those around me.