Corona Virus Updates Part 2

a reply to: Dfairlite

This is unclear as this study was only posted on January 26th. 2020. I believe this study only relates to the coronavirus.

I pulled up ATS again after years just so that I could monitor this outbreak situation. I have been reading since Jan. 26th and have read through just about all of the original update thread. I needed to create a new account to post my story because I feel like it is something that should be said given the situation. I can't remember my old username...

I live in the Midwest and work for a company that has projects with various health care providers and one of our projects require us to call CA.

Today at work, I was speaking with someone out of North Hollywood, who said that they had just gotten over the worst illness of their lives. I was told that they had a minor surgery scheduled for Jan. 13 which is where they assumed they picked it up from. The doctor who did this procedure also fell ill. This person told me they were ill for 14 days and had just gotten over it on Sunday.

My pandemic senses, naturally, started to tingle, so I asked if they tested positive for Influenza A or B. Because they were going around really bad right now. They said they tested negative for those. That they had no clue what illness it was, only that they thought they were dying and had the worst cough and lung pain ever. This person then said to me "For a bit I started to be afraid that I had that Corona Virus out of Asia, but it wasn't around on the 13th when I had my surgery."

Now, I am not going to try and claim that this person had the Wuflu because that can not be confirmed but it was suspicious enough for me to worry. Especially because they didn't know what it was, but they knew what it wasn't.

Anyways, I thought it was worth reporting.

a reply to: JasonMCG

I trust the government of china about as much as I'd trust a serial rapist on a date with my wife... that said, I don't think the chinese government would do this.

The only thing that makes sense is if they wanted to live test their ability to contain such an outbreak. The only reason to test that, given less than pure motives (which is a fair assumption under the pretenses, I think) is that they plan to use something like this against someone/nation in the near-ish future.

Hmmmm,private flights arrive in NZ over the last week or so,I wonder who they might be.
www.nzherald.co.nz...

a reply to: AgelessOne

It seems kind of important to determine, if establishing that asian males are more susceptible to ncov-19 because of this receptor. I mean, if MERS and SARS used the same receptor then wouldn't it stand to reason that those illnesses would lopsidedly affect asian males as well? Maybe the answer to that is no, I wouldn't know. I'm not a microbiologist or virologist.

I’m a lurker of a couple years who had to create an account over this. Thanks for being a place where you can get access to as much info as possible and allow free discussion.

I’m very concerned over this, no way would China react this way for a fatality rate of less than 2% and I’m worried it’s 5-10%. They are going to take a massive hit on their economy and it will cause a world recession - we were about due one.

This will also massively disrupt world wide supply chains. China is going into survival mode - very soon all the things the world relies on China for will dry up. So even if your country escapes this, you should think about the things you’ll need to get by for the next few months because I think stuff is going to start getting scarce in the next couple of weeks.

a reply to: OutsideContextProblem

Either this # is real and the market crashed or we hit ATH by Friday and this is totally forgotten about

a reply to: OutsideContextProblem

no way would China react this way for a fatality rate of less than 2%

That's not entirely true. While the mortality rate only stands at 2% right now, the hospitalization rate seems pretty high. China may have determined that the mortality rate would increase due to insufficient ability to care for patients if they didn't take swift action. Quarantining 50 million and keeping the mortality rate down will save many more lives than letting it infect the rest of the ~1 billion people in their country.

This will also massively disrupt world wide supply chains.

Luckily we have been weaning off of the chinese supply chain in the US. It's still a major component but we have at least started diversifying in other markets (like taiwan, vietnam, thailand, mexico, etc).

So even if your country escapes this, you should think about the things you’ll need to get by for the next few months because I think stuff is going to start getting scarce in the next couple of weeks.

Sound advice.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: AgelessOne

It seems kind of important to determine, if establishing that asian males are more susceptible to ncov-19 because of this receptor. I mean, if MERS and SARS used the same receptor then wouldn't it stand to reason that those illnesses would lopsidedly affect asian males as well? Maybe the answer to that is no, I wouldn't know. I'm not a microbiologist or virologist.

Yes you are correct, the 2019-ncov targets the same ACE2 receptor, but it's spike proteins are different to SARS or MERS.

The asian male thing comes from a non-peer reviewed paper from the same site as the HIV non-sense. The study included only one asian male, who was probably very ill showing increased ACE2. The study population is way too small to be conclusive in any way.

Of note, the 2 male donors have a higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than all other 6 female donors (1.66% vs. 0.41% of all cells, P value=0.07, Mann Whitney Test). In addition, the distribution of ACE2 is also more widespread in male donors than females: at least 5 different types of cells in male lung express this receptor, while only 2~4 types of cells in female lung express the receptor. This result is highly consistent with the epidemic investigation showing that most of the confirmed 2019-nCov infected patients were men (30 vs. 11, by Jan 2, 2020).

We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area.

www.biorxiv.org...

Two persons, among 107 evacuated from #Wuhan on a special AirAsia flight Tuesday, failed a #coronavirus health screening upon arriving at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport and were taken to Kuala Lumpur Hospital. ift.tt...

I guess it means they had a fever.. strange wording

Macau pulls trigger and closes Casinos

#ALERT: #Macau's Chief Executive says he has asked all #casinos to close for two weeks over the #Wuhan virus. Public services are also being temporarily halted, with only emergency services to continue.

a reply to: Agit8dChop
Could be why

#NEW: #Macau reports first case of human-to-human transmission of new #coronavirus. - BNO

Reuters: SOUTH KOREAN WOMAN TESTS POSITIVE FOR CORONAVIRUS AFTER VISITING THAILAND – S. KOREAN STATEMENT

This appears to be the first foreign case with no clear link to China. The woman returned from Thailand to South Korea on Jan. 19 and started feeling chills on Jan. 25. Thailand has 19 confirmed cases.

a reply to: Agit8dChop
That is huge,almost a death nail. I'm not well educated,but all those people locked down,water being cut off, massive restrictions on travel,trade...now this.something fcky is going on,as we all know. Surely satellites can give us an insight?

originally posted by: Agit8dChop

Reuters: SOUTH KOREAN WOMAN TESTS POSITIVE FOR CORONAVIRUS AFTER VISITING THAILAND – S. KOREAN STATEMENT

Hmm... this to me possibly raises a big "milestone" flag... a woman not having traveled to China, travels to Thailand and gets the virus, in all likelihood from a local... unless of course there were Chinese on the flight to/from Thailand... will be keeping an eye on this story. But if more cases like this start popping up I think we're at a pivotal turning point in this pandemic, and not a good one.

Would need to know how long she was in Thailand for, and which part she was staying at, how soon after returning to South Korea she started getting symptoms, etc.

Canada bars Military from China

THE CDS HAS DETERMINED THAT TRAVEL BY CAF MBRS TO MAINLAND CHINA PRESENTS A RISK TO THE HEALTH OF CAF MBRS FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. IT IS IMPERATIVE TO PROTECT OUR FORCE AND ENSURE CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS. IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN MANDATED READINESS, THE CAF WILL IMMEDIATELY IMPLEMENT TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS THAT PRECLUDE ALL CAF TRAVEL TO CHINA, BUSINESS OR LEISURE, UNTIL OTHERWISE DIRECTED. IN LINE WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA TRAVEL ADVISORY, THE FOLLOWING MEASURES WILL APPLY:

Link to release

link to news story

I just hope they dont learn from this cause the shocking thing is everytime governments around the world realised how much they could get away with they then implement. Ie the global spying even though we've all got Bill's and rights for our expression and privacy but they still violated them!

I really cannot get my head around the dramatic shut down of china its unprecedented its defiantly why you can bet this is worse then its being made to be. I really dont get it. I could understand if 100 people aged 25 or under died. Even could understand if majority of the infected where under 25........... Ora reply to: Agit8dChop

a reply to: Agit8dChop

bnonews.com...

There are currently 20,629 confirmed cases worldwide, including 427 fatalities

Is this worth a look at all. China is down to 1% of the world's internet traffic from what I can tell,I may be wrong though. Forgot the link
www.akamai.com...

a reply to: Dfairlite
I will check into this tomorrow.... It would stand to reason that both SARS and MERS infection rates would mirror that of NCov-19 unless there are unknown cofactors involved. As far as ACE2 receptors go the less the better. This seems to favor females and white/African populations.

Caveat emptor when it comes to Chinese research publications!