Corona Virus Updates Part 2

Re this big jump in numbers in China...

...I did predict this would happen way back in thread no.1, and I predicted it for logically determined reasons.

The acid test IMHO is wht the numbers for today will be.

If they are huge numbers again then it raises some worrying questions regarding previous reporting.

originally posted by: Hecate666

I wonder what is happening in china with beloved pets?

I'm pretty sure that if at least one child died from neglect (the boy with cerebral palsy or something like that), many pets are dying. I can hardly stand to think of it.

I am stocking up as much as I can for our cats. We have 8 indoor cats and a small outside colony of three more. That takes alot of food. My spouse was blowing it off until I said something like, "It would be pretty bad to have to watch them starve to death or have to kill them to avoid that fate." More food was bought within the week. I think I would die of grief.

It's not like they won't eat this food regardless of what happens.

a reply to: tennisdawg

That's some serious stuff if you're right. I hope your sources are pulling your leg, I really do.

Ramping up in Vietnam. Possibly.

10,000 People Quarantined in Vietnam because of the Coronavirus

Vietnam announced Thursday that a 10,000 people will be quarantined because of concerns about the spread of the new coronavirus, AFP reported. "As of February 13, 2020, we will urgently implement the task of isolation and quarantine of the epidemic area in Son Loi commune," a health ministry statement said. The quarantine period is 20 days. So far, there are 15 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Vietnam, five of them in Son Loi commune.

www.novinite.com...

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Villages with a population of 10,000 are quarantined over coronavirus fears in Vietnam - the first mass isolation outside of China - after six cases are discovered

The lockdown of 10,000 people is the first major quarantine outside mainland China since the outbreak began. Police officers in face masks were today guarding checkpoints in the farming region of Son Loi with villagers facing 20 days in quarantine. The drastic measures have been imposed after a sixth case of the virus was confirmed in Son Loi today, in addition to five who were already infected.

Health officials wearing protective suits sprayed disinfectant on vehicles by the checkpoints. Villager Tran Van Minh told AFP that authorities had already advised residents to avoid large gatherings. 'Life has been badly affected,' he said, adding that much of the labour force is reliant on jobs in construction and house painting. 'Now we cannot get out and even if we do, clients don't welcome us that much as before.'

originally posted by: KindraLaBelle
EU meeting that was scheduled for today is starting in 30 min, with a press conference in about 3-4 hours.
yesterday there as a pdf online with the agenda of today's and yesterdays meetings. It showed all the points they will be discussing for each subject. Under Covid19 it said : "discussion about violations of human rights and freedom"
Today the file is gone and nothing of any sorts is showing in the public/press files...

Now THAT is a good find Kindra... they just expect the plebes to not notice. WTF is that? Fishy AF

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

None of its standard procedure for a cold or flu, and imagine being the person who spread it to them that had his picture plastered all over the media along with his name, if that was my kids and I knew someone had done that I doubt I’d be able to restrain myself if anything happened to them tbh

a reply to: tennisdawg

The not released by China bit could have serious implications and is something I worry about.

Logically, if it was a deliberate bioweapon release, it would not have been done by China.

I am in Australia, if anything happened along those lines I have always thought they would head this way.

Appreciate the heads up.

originally posted by: tennisdawg

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Hecate666
At this point I'd like to ask a question that some may find superflous and others may have asked themselves the same thing.
We are obviously talking a lot about human casualties or the quarantine, but when I pondered today what we would do if we were quarantined, I could not help getting worried about our animals.
Their food would soon run out and their bedding and poop litter.
We love them as our children [no children, I prefer animals], so I wouldn't know what to do. Would we have to watch them starve, would we have to put them down?
To me this is actually more scary than me catching this virus. After all, even if we don't catch it but are in quarantine, the animals will suffer just from the human panic alone and not from any illness.

I wonder what is happening in china with beloved pets?
I can imagine that a few ruthless people will just murder them, some even eat them. But what about those that really rely and love their pets?

I don't want stupid answers, or attempts at 'humour', I am really upset about this [yeah, I do care about animals just as much as humans, so bite me].

If you have a dog or cat or horse or anything that you love dearly because they are their own little persons, imagine being in quarantine and what might happen to them. Considering a lot of people will say 'they are ONLY animals', they have no rights nor will anyone care. Well I do!

We have a number of cats, dogs, hogs, cows, chickens etc. We are taking this seriously and are stocking up on food for them all. So far we have 3 months stored and will be upping this to 6 months in the next few days. This will include cat litter, bin bags etc. We would buy these things anyway over time so it’s not wasted money. All you can do is prepare, stock up and hope it isn’t as bad as some fear. I’m on the fence currently, but it’s wise to prepare. Doesn’t hurt and better now than when actual panic erupts.

I have a 90 day supply for my pets. This virus is artificially designed for 3 major cycles approx. 14-28 days per cycle. There is chatter that this could have a 4th cycle, but i can't confirm that yet.

edited to add: this is an intentional release of an artificial virus. This was not released by China

IF that is the case then we will soon be at war. This would be a direct attack on China and they won’t sit back and take it. Best hope you’re info is wrong and being fed to you in order to trace you. It’s what I’d do.

An Indian man who was infected committed suicide to avoid infecting anybody, specially his wife and three kids.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
More and more I’m leaning towards leak or sabotage

Over the past day or two since the information started dying down out of Wuhan I’ve done a lot of digging and reading

This thread here is pretty dam convincing

TWITTER THREAD

Even if it is an accidental leak, I would think that plenty of countries in the world experiment with bio-weapons. I don't think the China labs do anything different than US labs do or Russian labs do, etc. If anything, you would have to do research to maintain an effective defense. Maybe (hopefully) our labs containment processes and procedures are simply better.

At the end of the day, like numerous people have said, we will probably never know the true cause or the true infection/death figures, but they're likely high enough to cause global panic.

a reply to: Hecate666

I could not help getting worried about our animals.

I feel you, got the same worries. Trying to build up some extra food supplies for them in the short term. Long term we just have to take things a day at a time.

If it feels like this virus is going to get the better of me, opening up what food is available for them will help keep them going for a bit longer. One option I am considering. I despise that empty feeling of a cull, it is another option. Do I give them a quick death or a slow one? What impacts will there be if i leave it to someone else? Just how responsible is it to open the door and just let them go? Lots of things and worries to consider.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: Hecate666

I could not help getting worried about our animals.

I feel you, got the same worries. Trying to build up some extra food supplies for them in the short term. Long term we just have to take things a day at a time.

If it feels like this virus is going to get the better of me, opening up what food is available for them will help keep them going for a bit longer. One option I am considering. I despise that empty feeling of a cull, it is another option. Do I give them a quick death or a slow one? What impacts will there be if i leave it to someone else? Just how responsible is it to open the door and just let them go? Lots of things and worries to consider.

Do none of the latter. Get feed stocks in for 6 months. It isn’t that hard in reality. 6 months will likely see this out.

originally posted by: tennisdawg

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Hecate666
At this point I'd like to ask a question that some may find superflous and others may have asked themselves the same thing.
We are obviously talking a lot about human casualties or the quarantine, but when I pondered today what we would do if we were quarantined, I could not help getting worried about our animals.
Their food would soon run out and their bedding and poop litter.
We love them as our children [no children, I prefer animals], so I wouldn't know what to do. Would we have to watch them starve, would we have to put them down?
To me this is actually more scary than me catching this virus. After all, even if we don't catch it but are in quarantine, the animals will suffer just from the human panic alone and not from any illness.

I wonder what is happening in china with beloved pets?
I can imagine that a few ruthless people will just murder them, some even eat them. But what about those that really rely and love their pets?

I don't want stupid answers, or attempts at 'humour', I am really upset about this [yeah, I do care about animals just as much as humans, so bite me].

If you have a dog or cat or horse or anything that you love dearly because they are their own little persons, imagine being in quarantine and what might happen to them. Considering a lot of people will say 'they are ONLY animals', they have no rights nor will anyone care. Well I do!

We have a number of cats, dogs, hogs, cows, chickens etc. We are taking this seriously and are stocking up on food for them all. So far we have 3 months stored and will be upping this to 6 months in the next few days. This will include cat litter, bin bags etc. We would buy these things anyway over time so it’s not wasted money. All you can do is prepare, stock up and hope it isn’t as bad as some fear. I’m on the fence currently, but it’s wise to prepare. Doesn’t hurt and better now than when actual panic erupts.

I have a 90 day supply for my pets. This virus is artificially designed for 3 major cycles approx. 14-28 days per cycle. There is chatter that this could have a 4th cycle, but i can't confirm that yet.

edited to add: this is an intentional release of an artificial virus. This was not released by China

Please stop this nonsense.

As I've said from the start I believe we are witnessing the beginning of the most catastrophic event in the history of mankind, but even I think you're full of it and trying to big yourself up.

You've gone from being asked to do a study for a quaratine building, to then having a network of spies around the world feeding you "inside, secret knowledge", to now stating as a matter of fact that this is "artificially designed" and has "3 major cycles - and maybe 4 but "you need to confirm that".

What next?

You have a friend who is a plumber and had to change a washer in a tap in the staff kitchen at an office owned by NASA, and now he's got people feeding him secret info on space aliens and moon bases?

Honestly if you lot are taking this guy seriously you need a check up from the neck up.

a reply to: tennisdawg

edited to add: this is an intentional release of an artificial virus. This was not released by China

Not to disparage you in the least, but ,v again, I do hope you're larping or that this is disinfo being fed to you as a tracing method as another poster said because I don't like to think of what the implications are if true.

I value your input tremendously, so please take this post in the spirit in which it was made.

NEW: Japan reports another case of coronavirus in a man in his 20s; it's unknown how he was infected

Japan has reported 4 new cases of coronavirus in the past few hours. In all 4 cases it's not clear how they were infected.

twitter.com...

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: Hecate666

I could not help getting worried about our animals.

I feel you, got the same worries. Trying to build up some extra food supplies for them in the short term. Long term we just have to take things a day at a time.

If it feels like this virus is going to get the better of me, opening up what food is available for them will help keep them going for a bit longer. One option I am considering. I despise that empty feeling of a cull, it is another option. Do I give them a quick death or a slow one? What impacts will there be if i leave it to someone else? Just how responsible is it to open the door and just let them go? Lots of things and worries to consider.

I agree with the other poster to get in as much food as possible and hope that does it. However, if the worst happened......where there's life, there's hope. It would be better to open the door, let them loose and hope for the best, unless the animal is too young, sick, old, or without teeth/claws. In those cases, they would probably be looking at a slow, bad death. OTOH, I don't know that I could betray an animal's trust like that unless they were actually dying.

originally posted by: Power_Semi

originally posted by: tennisdawg

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Hecate666
At this point I'd like to ask a question that some may find superflous and others may have asked themselves the same thing.
We are obviously talking a lot about human casualties or the quarantine, but when I pondered today what we would do if we were quarantined, I could not help getting worried about our animals.
Their food would soon run out and their bedding and poop litter.
We love them as our children [no children, I prefer animals], so I wouldn't know what to do. Would we have to watch them starve, would we have to put them down?
To me this is actually more scary than me catching this virus. After all, even if we don't catch it but are in quarantine, the animals will suffer just from the human panic alone and not from any illness.

I wonder what is happening in china with beloved pets?
I can imagine that a few ruthless people will just murder them, some even eat them. But what about those that really rely and love their pets?

I don't want stupid answers, or attempts at 'humour', I am really upset about this [yeah, I do care about animals just as much as humans, so bite me].

If you have a dog or cat or horse or anything that you love dearly because they are their own little persons, imagine being in quarantine and what might happen to them. Considering a lot of people will say 'they are ONLY animals', they have no rights nor will anyone care. Well I do!

We have a number of cats, dogs, hogs, cows, chickens etc. We are taking this seriously and are stocking up on food for them all. So far we have 3 months stored and will be upping this to 6 months in the next few days. This will include cat litter, bin bags etc. We would buy these things anyway over time so it’s not wasted money. All you can do is prepare, stock up and hope it isn’t as bad as some fear. I’m on the fence currently, but it’s wise to prepare. Doesn’t hurt and better now than when actual panic erupts.

I have a 90 day supply for my pets. This virus is artificially designed for 3 major cycles approx. 14-28 days per cycle. There is chatter that this could have a 4th cycle, but i can't confirm that yet.

edited to add: this is an intentional release of an artificial virus. This was not released by China

Please stop this nonsense.

As I've said from the start I believe we are witnessing the beginning of the most catastrophic event in the history of mankind, but even I think you're full of it and trying to big yourself up.

You've gone from being asked to do a study for a quaratine building, to then having a network of spies around the world feeding you "inside, secret knowledge", to now stating as a matter of fact that this is "artificially designed" and has "3 major cycles - and maybe 4 but "you need to confirm that".

What next?

You have a friend who is a plumber and had to change a washer in a tap in the staff kitchen at an office owned by NASA, and now he's got people feeding him secret info on space aliens and moon bases?

Honestly if you lot are taking this guy seriously you need a check up from the neck up.

Honestly, if you had a decent argument, you wouldn't need to resort to ad hominem attacks.

a reply to: Navieko

This is quite troubling as Japan has some very densely populated metropolitan area as does China; making the spread of this more likely.

Granted, they are a first world nation with advanced medical and healthcare technology, but as Ketsuko has rightly pointed out, even that could be overwhelmed if enough people became critically ill regardless of fatality rate.

originally posted by: primalfractal
a reply to: tennisdawg

The not released by China bit could have serious implications and is something I worry about.

Logically, if it was a deliberate bioweapon release, it would not have been done by China.

I am in Australia, if anything happened along those lines I have always thought they would head this way.

Appreciate the heads up.

Take what tennishoe says with a hefty pinch of salt; I'll wager most of his "information" is plucked from his imagination.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical
Yep, seems Japan and Singapore will both be the next big "hot spots" for this virus to spread. Also Thailand & Vietnam perhaps not far off. Also still waiting for more reports but apparently first confirmed case(s) on Bali, which could pose a real problem considering it's status as a tourist hot spot.