Corona Virus Updates Part 2

a reply to: JackBenimbel

This unfortunate situation is bringing out the best of the best in this site. This is something that cuts through politics, differing ideologies, whether or not people going missing in National Parks is Bigfoot, UFOS, or inter dimensional sock-stealing gnome like boogeymen.

I’m so pleased to see so many great minds working on the stitching of threads, links, tangents, and intangible inklings

You are all doing a wonderful job at staying frosty and providing quality viewpoints, as we all have no other choice but to be on the same page with this thing.

It’s a small ball of rock and water we inhabit. THIS is what peaceful progress, invested nonviolence, and not worrying about a diversified portfolio, and coming together look like.

Thank You to everyone here contributing!

a reply to: Thoughtful1
I am a returning member but like others I have forgotten my password. I could use some help at how to post independently. I apologize that I am for now going to reply to posts because this is important. While we are concentrating our focus on governments response to the threat of the coronavirus we should also be watching how industries, especially in the tech center are reacting.

Airbnb?
Hong Kong has Airbnb and China uses Tujia. These are home rental/vacation services. Tujia operates differently by managing all of the properties because their Chinese customers travel in large groups.
How are they managing this outbreak? 5 hours ago Airbnb and Tujia have suspended all bookings in China and Hong Kong. In Asia this represent a $7 billion market.
What about other countries?
Nothing so far but with how contagious this virus is and how easily transmitted how can they ensure the places are virus free?

On-line travel giant Ctrip is now offering $1.42 billion in small loans to help local hotel operators.

Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft Erickson,Lg have halted any unnecessary travel to China and Hong Kong out of concerns for their employees health. Google has closed their stores and offices in China pending instructions from the government.
SCMP Research and Google

The only people who are ahead of the game right now are the ones who were predicting worst case scenario

Let me remind you this was before the Wuhan lockdown, just prepare is all I’m saying

Fear is good

Panic kills

The Spanish flu was 2-7 days incubation

This has now been suggested, I don’t care if it’s not per reviewed, but the initial incubation was 14 days, now those on the frontline are saying 24

Even if the middle ground is true it UNCONTROLLABLE it’s aerosolised, I know the population doesn’t live in tin can boats, but that one person has infected 60/80 people, that gives you a good idea how transmissible and contagious this is, especially when it hits large western cities

Let’s say it’s half or even 1/3 in other environments, it’s still on par with Spanish flu

And the incubation period says you don’t have a hope of containment given the flights have continued globally for 4/3 weeks

You know what I really don’t care anymore, call me what you like, I’m not taking this lightly, do what you think is best for your family

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
I believe the 24 incubation period comes from this paper
www.medrxiv.org...
"The median incubation period was 3.0 days (range, 0 to 24.0 days)"

Thats the same paper - and again, it doesn't say anything whatsoever about how they arrived at the number '24' when they gave the range. And again, the rest of the numbers are actually very encouraging... only about 5% have serious complications requiring treatment (hospitalization), and only 1.3% die.

Yes but 93.6% of those cases are still in hospital so we are faced with the usual dilemmas debating the mortality rate. But very basic info from the paper should be safe enough. Wouldn't be so confident about 24 day incubation, but would certainly be on my mind if I ever needed to quarantine myself or anyone else.

Gave the wrong link before, that was just the abstract, here's full pdf. Useful data in the tables at the bottom.
www.medrxiv.org...

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
I believe the 24 incubation period comes from this paper
www.medrxiv.org...
"The median incubation period was 3.0 days (range, 0 to 24.0 days)"

Thats the same paper - and again, it doesn't say anything whatsoever about how they arrived at the number '24' when they gave the range. And again, the rest of the numbers are actually very encouraging... only about 5% have serious complications requiring treatment (hospitalization), and only 1.3% die.

Yes but 93.6% of the cases are still in hospital so we are faced with the usual dilemmas debating the mortality rate. But very basic info from the paper should be safe enough. Wouldn't be so confident about 24 day incubation, but would certainly be on my mind if I ever needed to quarantine myself or anyone else.

Gave the wrong link before, that was just the abstract, here's full pdf. Useful data in the tables at the bottom.
www.medrxiv.org...

The illness lasts from symptoms to death 23 - 27 days

It seems when the flu like conditions materialise it’s just a few short days until the breathing pneumonia symptoms, hence the hundreds of videos of people dropping dead in there streets while China is waging a war on information

Now think of the hospital bed requirements

Lol just lol it’s staggering

a reply to: TritonTaranis

the initial incubation was 14 days, now those on the frontline are saying 24

I've still only seen 1 source that says up to 24 days incubation period and that source (posted a few pages back) does not provide any context for why they had "up to 24 days" for the incubation period.

What am I missing here?

65 More Coronavirus Cases On Diamond Princess Cruise Ship Stuck In Japan

www.npr.org...

Wait a minute. I don't have much info yet about this.

But I wonder how the virus got on that boat?

Did that boat go to Wuhan?

Most of the infected are Japanese, who I imagine are the biggest population on-board.


And again, anybody knows why when on Google Earth you put in Wuhan, it takes you to a river.

originally posted by: ItsOkToBeHappy
Just as I suspected you are much more vulnerable to the coronavirus if you are a smoker because you have more ACE2 receptors in your lower respiratory, which is where the coronavirus enters your cells . I knew that had to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard that smoking would make you lower risk. Smoking makes you at a higher risk for everything. Info: www.preprints.org...


a reply to: butcherguy

99% of China are essentially smokers due to compromised lungs from heavily polluted air. I suspect that tis may be a factor as to the death rate in China..

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
I believe the 24 incubation period comes from this paper
www.medrxiv.org...
"The median incubation period was 3.0 days (range, 0 to 24.0 days)"

Thats the same paper - and again, it doesn't say anything whatsoever about how they arrived at the number '24' when they gave the range. And again, the rest of the numbers are actually very encouraging... only about 5% have serious complications requiring treatment (hospitalization), and only 1.3% die.

Yes but 93.6% of the cases are still in hospital so we are faced with the usual dilemmas debating the mortality rate. But very basic info from the paper should be safe enough. Wouldn't be so confident about 24 day incubation, but would certainly be on my mind if I ever needed to quarantine myself or anyone else.

Gave the wrong link before, that was just the abstract, here's full pdf. Useful data in the tables at the bottom.
www.medrxiv.org...

The illness lasts from symptoms to death 23 - 27 days

It seems when the flu like conditions materialise it’s just a few short days until the breathing pneumonia symptoms, hence the hundreds of videos of people dropping dead in there streets while China is waging a war on information

Now think of the hospital bed requirements

Lol just lol it’s staggering

FAKE AGAIN !! MISINFORMATION!

They're not dropping dead, they're losing consciousness because they're not used to breathing with a mask on.
Have you tried having a mask on all day?

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: TritonTaranis

the initial incubation was 14 days, now those on the frontline are saying 24

I've still only seen 1 source that says up to 24 days incubation period and that source (posted a few pages back) does not provide any context for why they had "up to 24 days" for the incubation period.

What am I missing here?

I’ve seen several I’m not bookmarking information is coming so fast I’m going from one thing to the next but somebody posted a link

Put it this way 14 days is bad enough

I also read the most at risk are 30-60 mostly over 60 dying, but smokers at significant risk

TIN FOIL HAT ON

40% of Chinese males smoke

18% - 20% in western countries

I’m not saying lab designed bio weapon but my word I’m seeing a lot of information which gets me thinking WTF

a reply to: Necrose

Lol. That made me laugh coming from you.

So here I’ll help. 1,24, 28, 33, 1776, 15, 10, eleventeen, infinity and 375.

Stick to what you know or let rev and Joe take over your street corner. No 1 made you oligarch of the Update thread

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: TritonTaranis

the initial incubation was 14 days, now those on the frontline are saying 24

I've still only seen 1 source that says up to 24 days incubation period and that source (posted a few pages back) does not provide any context for why they had "up to 24 days" for the incubation period.

What am I missing here?

If I wrote a tweet about incubation period being 50 days, TritonTaranis would accept it and report it everywhere because it's the highest number, thus it sparks sensationalism.

originally posted by: Necrose

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
I believe the 24 incubation period comes from this paper
www.medrxiv.org...
"The median incubation period was 3.0 days (range, 0 to 24.0 days)"

Thats the same paper - and again, it doesn't say anything whatsoever about how they arrived at the number '24' when they gave the range. And again, the rest of the numbers are actually very encouraging... only about 5% have serious complications requiring treatment (hospitalization), and only 1.3% die.

Yes but 93.6% of the cases are still in hospital so we are faced with the usual dilemmas debating the mortality rate. But very basic info from the paper should be safe enough. Wouldn't be so confident about 24 day incubation, but would certainly be on my mind if I ever needed to quarantine myself or anyone else.

Gave the wrong link before, that was just the abstract, here's full pdf. Useful data in the tables at the bottom.
www.medrxiv.org...

The illness lasts from symptoms to death 23 - 27 days

It seems when the flu like conditions materialise it’s just a few short days until the breathing pneumonia symptoms, hence the hundreds of videos of people dropping dead in there streets while China is waging a war on information

Now think of the hospital bed requirements

Lol just lol it’s staggering

FAKE AGAIN !! MISINFORMATION!

They're not dropping dead, they're losing consciousness because they're not used to breathing with a mask on.
Have you tried having a mask on all day?

BS lol lmao not used to breathing with a dust mask 😂😂😂😂😂😂

They’re dropping because you can show zero symptoms and then breathing difficulties arise, oxygen levels get dangerously low and they pass out

I’m a decorator I wear many types while spraying or using specialised products such as anti graffiti paint

I know you’re looking a fool it’s part of my PPE

I hold a confined spaces ticket for working in hazardous locations underground and above ground, nobody passes out wearing dust masks

They did the same during the Spanish flu outbreak was they wearing n95s ?

You’re not even close to credible with that BS

originally posted by: Necrose

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: TritonTaranis

the initial incubation was 14 days, now those on the frontline are saying 24

I've still only seen 1 source that says up to 24 days incubation period and that source (posted a few pages back) does not provide any context for why they had "up to 24 days" for the incubation period.

What am I missing here?

If I wrote a tweet about incubation period being 50 days, TritonTaranis would accept it and report it everywhere because it's the highest number, thus it sparks sensationalism.

Isn’t 14 days enough to worry about?

JESUS CHRIST

a reply to: Willtell

I recall that passengers are accounted for in the manifest and maybe home nations too. BUT. There’s evidence that those on board were suggesting and even trying to relay that much like a flight crew does, the crew is Chinese and maybe even switches in/out at differing ports of call.

No one in the media seemed to want to touch this (lol)

If anyone wants to chime in to confirm/deny please do.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Necrose

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
I believe the 24 incubation period comes from this paper
www.medrxiv.org...
"The median incubation period was 3.0 days (range, 0 to 24.0 days)"

Thats the same paper - and again, it doesn't say anything whatsoever about how they arrived at the number '24' when they gave the range. And again, the rest of the numbers are actually very encouraging... only about 5% have serious complications requiring treatment (hospitalization), and only 1.3% die.

Yes but 93.6% of the cases are still in hospital so we are faced with the usual dilemmas debating the mortality rate. But very basic info from the paper should be safe enough. Wouldn't be so confident about 24 day incubation, but would certainly be on my mind if I ever needed to quarantine myself or anyone else.

Gave the wrong link before, that was just the abstract, here's full pdf. Useful data in the tables at the bottom.
www.medrxiv.org...

The illness lasts from symptoms to death 23 - 27 days

It seems when the flu like conditions materialise it’s just a few short days until the breathing pneumonia symptoms, hence the hundreds of videos of people dropping dead in there streets while China is waging a war on information

Now think of the hospital bed requirements

Lol just lol it’s staggering

FAKE AGAIN !! MISINFORMATION!

They're not dropping dead, they're losing consciousness because they're not used to breathing with a mask on.
Have you tried having a mask on all day?

BS lol lmao not used to breathing with a dust mask 😂😂😂😂😂😂

They’re dropping because you can show zero symptoms and then breathing difficulties arise, oxygen levels get dangerously low and they pass out

No. I see your medical background is non-existent here, but you can't just state such things without having a clue about pathophysiology of breathing.

Regarding the masks, please put the "dusk mask" on (you've already bought them so just put it on) and go run a mile around the corner, then keep it on for 6 hours doing your casual activities and report back to me.
What a clown, has no idea what breathing with a N95/N99 mask feels like, yet tries to prove he's right.

originally posted by: AlbatrossMaker
Ladies and Gentlemen,

Everyone in the us knows the astronomical cost of a 14 days stay in the hospital in the US would be. Think about that.

I agree! Also there really are millions of people with out health insurance in the US. Even if you do have insurance very few go to the doctor for a cold or the flu until they have reached a point that they feel like they are dying. These same people will keep going to work, keep going shopping and keep spreading their germs. How do I know this? I was a cashier for 10 years at a gas station and it would startle you to know how many people will come to the counter and tell you to your face that they have the flu or strep throat etc etc standing there coughing up a storm running a fever as they dig money out of their wallet with their germ covered hands and then try to hand you money into your own hands. It is also unbelievable how many people will get pissed off when I would spray their money with lysol after I asked them to place it on the counter.

a reply to: Willtell

And again, anybody knows why when on Google Earth you put in Wuhan, it takes you to a river.

Just tried it. It takes you to Wuhan City, which happens to have a river running through it. The marker (perhaps city center?) just happens to be on the river, but it clearly says 'City in China' on the right.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Necrose

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: TritonTaranis

the initial incubation was 14 days, now those on the frontline are saying 24

I've still only seen 1 source that says up to 24 days incubation period and that source (posted a few pages back) does not provide any context for why they had "up to 24 days" for the incubation period.

What am I missing here?

If I wrote a tweet about incubation period being 50 days, TritonTaranis would accept it and report it everywhere because it's the highest number, thus it sparks sensationalism.

Isn’t 14 days enough to worry about?

JESUS CHRIST

THEN DON'T SAY 24, JESUS CHRIST.

a reply to: Necrose

It was in an article today

www.independent.co.uk... ource=Twitter#Echobox=1581333612