Ukrainian 737 down in Iran

originally posted by: Zaphod58
Aircraft wreckage appears to show shrapnel impacts.

Woa!

a reply to: Zaphod58

Your expertise and willingness to patiently share what you know, are exemplary. I'm sure thousands of visitors who never post, appreciate you as much as we ATS members do.

a reply to: Bigburgh

Even though planes are light aluminum, a flock of birds still wouldn't punch holes in a fuselage traveling at +300mph, would they?

That's no winglet.

Thank Zaph..

Shrapnel blows to the back. As shown from the downed fuselage pics.

a reply to: carewemust

They'd cause quite a bit of damage.

Exa mples of bird strikes.

a reply to: carewemust

I've seen the cone take the damage( in old personal photos of mine). But this, And the forward parts of the wings... what the photos Zaph is showing is shrapnel debris.

Either the engine was spewing hot metal any metal at high velocity... not likely seeing the forward fuselage with the same damage as shown ... Jesus what or who brought this down?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Zaphod58

Your expertise and willingness to patiently share what you know, are exemplary. I'm sure thousands of visitors who never post, appreciate you as much as we ATS members do.

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a reply to: Woody510

To me it looks like that the plane flashes before crashing.

a reply to: Bigburgh

Even if it was throwing parts, the odds of them hitting the tail like that are on the order of astronomical. If they did, it would have left a fairly long tear.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Bigburgh

Even if it was throwing parts, the odds of them hitting the tail like that are on the order of astronomical. If they did, it would have left a fairly long tear.

I don't think birds did this... and I don't know what did. random everyday nose cone bird strike.

The tail got bit up.
Thanks for being here btw!

I'm trying so hard to make sense of this.

a reply to: Bigburgh

Those look very similar to shrapnel impacts you'd see from a SAM. The warhead is packed with metal "rods" that are thrown when it detonates.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Yeah, some air defense outfit shot down a defenseless civilian target. Multiple failures, fire discipline and command/control being among them.

Cheers

Since the "accident" seems to have occurred in a rather populated area, there will hopefully be some kind of footage showing if a missile was responsible. There had to be a lot of nervous people watching the sky last night. Lots of stationary cameras too.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Bigburgh

Those look very similar to shrapnel impacts you'd see from a SAM. The warhead is packed with metal "rods" that are thrown when it detonates.

Ok.
So do you think the cockpit voice recorder or flight data recorder will ever see the light of day? Can we get that from the Iranian government? This is no 76 technical glitch, it was a 77 we're all going to... didn't see those alerts being sent. 😑
To fast for a response. 😑

a reply to: Bigburgh

No. We'll never see any kind of report or transcript. It'll get buried and all we'll be told is mechanical failure.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I fear you are correct. It will be another dose of pablum for the masses.

Cheers

originally posted by: Agit8dChop

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Zaphod58

Your expertise and willingness to patiently share what you know, are exemplary. I'm sure thousands of visitors who never post, appreciate you as much as we ATS members do.

Here Here!

Too right Whenever there's aviation things in the news I turn off the BBC and listen to Zaph

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Yes, there are some SERIOUS aircraft people on ATS, and Zaph is one of their superstars.

For Zaph and Burgh:



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Cheers

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Bigburgh

No. We'll never see any kind of report or transcript. It'll get buried and all we'll be told is mechanical failure.

(HEAD down with an audible sigh)

Thanks for your insights as always, not the answer I want to hear. But an honest answer.
These are meaningless when I posted them... and reading them again won't turn back the last hours..

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Yes, there are some SERIOUS aircraft people on ATS, and Zaph is one of their superstars.

For Zaph and Burgh:



🏅

Cheers

I was just an airport firefighter iaff local 1038. I put the damn things in water and toxic foam. All the books don't amount to the knowledge some here on ATS (Not me) have kindly shared over the many years.