Ukrainian 737 down in Iran

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BillyJoeeOzark

The problem with your truth is that jet engines don't just explode. In over 20 years I saw all kinds of engine failures, including FOD impacts to the blades. In all that time, not one engine exploded, or even suffered an uncontained failure.

You need something to cause an explosion, and there's really not much in an engine that explodes. Burns, yes, explodes no. Even "rewriting a few subroutines" isn't going to change that.

Bird strikes will do that. A big bird shattering a turbine blade and breaking fuel lines. The engine wouldn't have just exploded, there would be fire inside the explosion would come later.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Even then it's kind of even odds if it will explode, or just shell out. More often than not it just guts itself and the crew shuts it down.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: rickymouse

An engine failure on takeoff is a Bad Thing depending on the weight and configuration of the aircraft.

If I'm reading this Reuters headline correctly, Ukraine has already investigated, and concluded catastrophic ENGINE FAILURE caused the crash?

twitter.com...

The sarcastic comments at the link are on point. No way an investigation could be completed so quickly, unless the Engine Failure was made to occur.

Then, you have to ask...WHY? Who was on that plane? (Maybe flying under an alias, like former CIA Director John Brennan used to do.)

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Even then it's kind of even odds if it will explode, or just shell out. More often than not it just guts itself and the crew shuts it down.

So whats your thoughts, hit or malfunction

originally posted by: game over man
What could go wrong to send the plane straight to it's explosive destruction? Planes can land with engine failure. Those sparks flying look like it gets hit at the beginning. Why would this person whip their phone out? Maybe they heard weapons firing? They must have heard something. Seeing something unusual when it's dark out that early in the morning seems unusual.

Context friend.

You know your country just poked the Eagle.

You are outside looking for the incoming missiles.

Why did the aircraft even take off knowing that incoming missiles are expected?

The big question that others can answer ( Zaphod please) ... were other aircraft taking off prior to this incident.

Was it business as usual or was this a lone takeoff?

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How does one even decipher this.. we all saw the video of it coming down with ignited bits coming off.

Damn...

Edit: came perfectly into a door/ gate...
Why did this have to happen during attacks. So much confusion.

Hope Iran hands over the data.

a reply to: carewemust

There doesn't have to have been anyone on it. A jumpy radar operator, a misreading of a screen, or any number of things can cause an accidental shootdown.

a reply to: SailorJerry

Based on the fact that the transponder data just stops, and it broke apart in flight, hit.

originally posted by: pheonix358

originally posted by: game over man
What could go wrong to send the plane straight to it's explosive destruction? Planes can land with engine failure. Those sparks flying look like it gets hit at the beginning. Why would this person whip their phone out? Maybe they heard weapons firing? They must have heard something. Seeing something unusual when it's dark out that early in the morning seems unusual.

Context friend.

You know your country just poked the Eagle.

You are outside looking for the incoming missiles.

Why did the aircraft even take off knowing that incoming missiles are expected?

The big question that others can answer ( Zaphod please) ... were other aircraft taking off prior to this incident.

Was it business as usual or was this a lone takeoff?

P

Since America isn't in the business of shooting down civilian aircraft, why would anybody think that there was a danger?

A US strike would most likely be against military targets on the ground. Probably radar and missile sites, or command centers. Things that the international community would not object to too much.

A civilian aircraft wouldn't be an obvious target, even accidentally, cruise missile and drones aren't made for targeting fast moving aircraft band most us made anti aircraft missiles are designed to be fired from behind a target, which would mean that a US made missile would need to be fired from the direction of the airport. Which would have been easy to see from the ground.

a reply to: pheonix358

There were, and still are, plenty of aircraft in the area. Besides the US, it looked like UK flights were avoiding Iranian airspace tonight, but there are still a couple dozen aircraft going over.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: carewemust

There doesn't have to have been anyone on it. A jumpy radar operator, a misreading of a screen, or any number of things can cause an accidental shootdown.

As someone pointed out, the newer jetliners broadcast self-diagnostics. The diagnostics would say "Catastrophic Engine Failure", but not say why.

I suppose if a heat-seeking missile was responsible, there would be pieces of that missile still in the engine.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: SailorJerry

Based on the fact that the transponder data just stops, and it broke apart in flight, hit.

my thoughts as well, looking at the video and whats been provided

a reply to: carewemust

There's actually quite a bit more information than that. They'll be able to tell a lot about what was going on with the engines IF they had the health monitoring package.

If it was a missile, it was a SAM, meaning radar guided. There will be plenty of evidence of the missile. The two biggest being that catastrophic engine failure doesn't cut your transponder off suddenly, or make your plane explode.

Departure list for today from Tehran looks like business as usual-

a reply to: Zaphod58

Serial# 38124..
Took off at 6:12 am. It was delayed.
Oh, this guy is threatening me with death. Not kidding.

Aircraft wreckage appears to show shrapnel impacts.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Even then it's kind of even odds if it will explode, or just shell out. More often than not it just guts itself and the crew shuts it down.

I loathe Iran, but even so, Im thinking misidentified if it was on their part.......what say you

originally posted by: Bigburgh
a reply to: Zaphod58

Serial# 38124..
Took off at 6:12 am. It was delayed.
Oh, this guy is threatening me with death. Not kidding.

The PM's.. on insta

a reply to: SailorJerry

Almost certainly. There's no conceivable reason to deliberately target it.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: SailorJerry

Almost certainly. There's no conceivable reason to deliberately target it.

agreed,

Paranoid about anything incoming because of the strike they just made.......then innocent people down.