Iranian military war games , Iran isn't another Iraq

Originally posted by csulli456

Originally posted by Indigo_Child



Nah, not interested, a stupid person trying to sound smart. Even more than deluded than an average Bush supporter. Next.

You said it Indigo, and it describes your likes to a tee.

csulli456 it discribes you very clearly and you still havent given me a reply apart from the retarded one where you just chat breaze

so inlighten us with your wisdem since your not deluded and retarded as you claim

[edit on 16-3-2005 by bodrul]

Originally posted by Indigo_Child

This site is for intelligent debating and not for disrespectful immature statements.

Then what are you doing here? Your kind always make me laugh. It is quite ironic for a newbie to tell me what this site is for.

All hail the queen of know it alls, Indigo has arrived. Your closed mind opinions are blatant to say the least and you have no character. I really dont care how long you`ve been a member of ATS, what exactly does that prove, mabe your search engine is a little better then mine.

You American haters can continue to bash us so long as you want but that is why so many feel the need to attack you and your kind verbally at least on this site. Violence is never the answer, it should only be used in self defense. It is people like you who`s hate can turn a peace loving man like me into a war mongerer. You only see what you want to and have a real dillusional view of the whole entire world. I have stated so many times in my posts how horrible war is and that I want to avoid it at any means. You just don`t get it, do you.

You think you are better then everybody, why, because mabe you are a little more articulate then the rest of us? I live in a real world I`ve seen the best of people and have seen the worst, it has no matter where you are, you can see it absolutely everywhere. And now I am seeing it here. No matter how much I try to tell you that my main priority is the safety of my daughter and my family and of course my fellow citizens you still fail to understand. Do you have a family? Do you know what its like to have 3000 die literally in your backyard? I personally knew many who died on September 11, 2001. I saw it all first hand, and I wept like a baby.

After leaving work early that day, as the rest of us did due to an early closing, I was home with my family including my less then 1 y.o. child. Watching the coverage on tv it was said that all air traffic was suspended. At some points there were news reporters stating that there were as many as 11 unaccounted for aircraft. My wife was outside having a ciggarette when she came running in to tell me there was an airplane approaching, this being a usual thing being that we live within miles from LaGuardia and other major airports, but not today because there was terror in our skies. My first instinct was to grab the baby, I did, then ran outside to get a view. I dont know what I would have done if it were coming towards us, I was just trying to figure it all out. And then roaring through the sky were three F-14`s blazing right over my house. I was so happy and even now my eyes swell with tears just remembering this one moment from a day of so many moments.

I knew they were there to protect me and my family and I am forever grateful to all the men and women who have served my nation. I felt so secure knowing they were there and in coming days and weeks, yes, I couldnt wait to see these same planes bomb the shyt out of those who took mine and so many others` loved ones.

Call me a war mongerer if you will, but please please know the whole story before you start ranting and raving about all of us stupid Americans who just want to conquer the world and declare ourselves number one.

Yes you may have more senority at this site then I, but I am only here for respectful debating. So please leave the name calling somewhere else and talk to me, not at me. I have repect for all and wish the same was true for everyone.

csulli456:

I knew they were there to protect me and my family and I am forever grateful to all the men and women who have served my nation. I felt so secure knowing they were there and in coming days and weeks, yes, I couldnt wait to see these same planes bomb the shyt out of those who took mine and so many others` loved ones.

Call me a war mongerer if you will, but please please know the whole story before you start ranting and raving about all of us stupid Americans who just want to conquer the world and declare ourselves number one.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and they have had the horrors of 9-11 visited upon them twenty-fold (100,000 dead Iraqis vs 3,000 dead Americans).

Are you so totally consumed that you don't even see that there might be another side to this whole thing?

You American haters can continue to bash us so long as you want but that is why so many feel the need to attack you and your kind verbally at least on this site.

I have been mercilessly attacked for any views I have that are not 100% pro-American. I've been called a Taliban sympathizer, an anti-Semite, the works.

And you know, I don't care at all. If you want to flame my country, go ahead. I live here it does not 100% define who or what I am.


jako

Originally posted by Jakomo


Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and they have had the horrors of 9-11 visited upon them twenty-fold (100,000 dead Iraqis vs 3,000 dead Americans).

Are you so totally consumed that you don't even see that there might be another side to this whole thing?

Yet another opinion on me without you knowing my whole story. First of all I`m not debating Iraq in particular here.Secondly I always look at all sides. Have you read my other posts?

For God`s sake man I DONT WANT WAR. Got it, you all need to read before you jump to conclusions. I want safety from terrorists.

My main view on this whole possible Iran US war is that there isnt going to be one. READ the posts. Secondly I am tired of being attacked by those who say we should not worry about the terrorists, that its a figment of our imagination or something. I WAS TARGETED on 9/11 along with my daughter and every American. I take that quite personal.

I have stated so many times and I will again. I think cooler heads will prevail. There will be no Iran US war. As a people, and I know I dont speak for all, we just dont want there to be a possibility that terrorist bastards will get their slimy little paws on nukes. We need Iran`s help. Again, READ my posts in their entirety. I have an opinion on everything, but what you will see is that I am against war, however self defense is necessary. There is no need for my country to bomb Iran. We just need to work together more closely. READ the posts. And thank you for at least having the class to not stoop to the level of others with all the name calling and everything. I appreciate your views and am always open to respectful debating.

[edit on 16-3-2005 by csulli456]

csulli:

I think cooler heads will prevail. There will be no Iran US war. As a people, and I know I dont speak for all, we just dont want there to be a possibility that terrorist bastards will get their slimy little paws on nukes. We need Iran`s help.

I hope you're right, and I apologize for not reading more of your posts to find out your particular slant on this.

We ALL need each other's help.

The only time we'll ever have no war is when we have no countries and we all belong to the same nationality. Human.


jako

Originally posted by Jakomo
csulli:

I think cooler heads will prevail. There will be no Iran US war. As a people, and I know I dont speak for all, we just dont want there to be a possibility that terrorist bastards will get their slimy little paws on nukes. We need Iran`s help.

I hope you're right, and I apologize for not reading more of your posts to find out your particular slant on this.

We ALL need each other's help.

The only time we'll ever have no war is when we have no countries and we all belong to the same nationality. Human.


jako

Well put. I`m all for that

Originally posted by Indigo_Child

Invading the weak and helpless, like Afghanistan, Iraq and Kosovo, is what you are proud of. Yet, true powers like Russia and China, you evade conflict with. You sure dominated China didn't you recently, when it shot down your spy planes and then forced Bush to apologise on national television

Talk about ignorant

You don't even know what happened! A US spy plane was flying OVER INTERNATIONAL WATERS and was hit IN MID AIR by a BAD PILOT FROM CHINA. It was a mid air collision by a poorly trained/stupid Chinese fighter jock.

The plane was CLOSEST to China, and thus the pilot was FORCED to land in China.

Try to know what you talk about next time.

It also strikes me as funny that you failed to adress a single question I asked or point I stated. You just resort to "your stupid" and other pathetic comments.

As for the rest of your rant...GROW UP.

You label most Americans as stupid - and yet I am the one that is imature.

You call me stupid - and yet I am the one that is imature.

You call me trailer trash (funny because if you met me you'd probably call me some GOP elite ) - and yet I am the one that is immature.


Why don't you get your head out of your ass and realise that *gasp* some people may see things differently then you do. Even more shocking, that doesn't mean they are all dumb.

EDIT: and BTW - I TRIED to do my part to serve my country. I TRIED to join the Marines back when I graduated HS. Computer games? Don't play them.

The only child here is you.

[edit on 16-3-2005 by American Mad Man]

Lets turn this thread back to it's original purpose shall we?

Iran vs US and how the war would turn out.

@ Jackmo

A page or two back I pointed out some information on the sizes of both the US and Iranian military and the respective equipment they use.

Since it seems (and I could be wrong on this) that you tend to think that the US would have a very hard time fighting Iran, would you care to get this thread back on topic by offering some counter points?

if the us ever went to war with iran it wouldnt be that much diff. from iraq.to have a serrious war with the US at this day and age you need a good air force.iran air force sucks and the air defence of iran is just like iraq, it is very poor. for good ness sake look what we did to baghdad!it looked like the forth of july!!

Here's another video of an Iranian war drill from December 2004:

2004-12-08-War-Games-In-Iran,-Reuters

It's a better quality video than the previous ones that were posted.

[edit on 19-3-2005 by AceOfBase]

Originally posted by AssGoblins
If the United States of America loses this war against Iran, I'm going to kill myself.

hehe ,im gonna party all night long when america looses!!!

Im fed up with this American retoric and blind patriotsm.
America is good and the rest of the world is bad.....

I aint wasting more time on people who have their heads up their donkey.

Originally posted by motionknight

Originally posted by AssGoblins
If the United States of America loses this war against Iran, I'm going to kill myself.

hehe

,im gonna party all night long when america looses!!!

How exactly will the US lose?

The US Navy alone has more airpower, and with her MEUs could probably take on all of Irans ground forces.

If the US and Iran went to war, the US would sit back for about 2 weeks and let bombs rain from the sky. Cruise missles would fill the sky. There is nothing Iran could do about that.

Every fixed resorce they have would be destroyed. Every airfield, every supply depot, all of it.

They don't stand a chance and you know it. That isn't Patriotism - it's reality.

^so the US of A can all the sudden simunaniusly take out all mobile missile lanch pads,air fields,already deployed missile launch pads,navel ships, and so on in one strike without being fired back at.

Iran can still take out s**t loads of US personale before they go down

Originally posted by American Mad Man

The US Navy alone has more airpower, and with her MEUs could probably take on all of Irans ground forces.

If the US and Iran went to war, the US would sit back for about 2 weeks and let bombs rain from the sky. Cruise missles would fill the sky. There is nothing Iran could do about that.

Every fixed resorce they have would be destroyed. Every airfield, every supply depot, all of it.

They don't stand a chance and you know it. That isn't Patriotism - it's reality.

Yeh, you are really powerful and unbeatable. You showed us good when we took you embassy.

Originally posted by bodrul
^so the US of A can all the sudden simunaniusly take out all mobile missile lanch pads,air fields,already deployed missile launch pads,navel ships, and so on in one strike without being fired back at.

I believe your understanding of how war works is a bit flawed. Do you really think that Iran stands a chance to take even 1,000 American lives? Hell, you are playing into Americas hands by attempting to fight a conventional war at all. That just makes it easy.


Everything in a fixed place, such as airfields and missle launch pads, can be taken out LITERALLY with a push of a botton by the US anytime it wanted to. Thats not opinion - thats just fact. Anything in a fixed position is known already by sat coverage. Those things are all dead, and any the US wished to take out would be destroyed in the first 24 hours of conflict.

Don't even bring the Navy into this discussion. The US Navy is BY FAR the most dominate in the world. Iran does not even have a single supercarrier battle group. The US has several in the region alone. Comparing US subs to Iranian subs is like comparing Micheal Jordan to a 2 year old trying to play basket ball - no contest. The US Navy has HUNDREDS more ships ALL of which are better in a head to head comparison.

Iran would be like a virgin on prom night for the US Navy...Easy.

Mobile missle launchers are a bit tougher - I will give you that. However, the US holds an EXTREME advantage in comminication as it is. Couple this with the systematic destruction of every C&C center the US can find, and these missles become less of a threat.

Iran can still take out s**t loads of US personale before they go down

# loads? Well, I wouldn't give them 1 chance in a hundred to kill a thousand of our boys. Thats 1000 too many in my book, but being realistic and comparing it to past wars, it is an extremely low number.

Originally posted by Sep
Yeh, you are really powerful and unbeatable. You showed us good when we took you embassy.

wow, thousands of revolutionaries took a few Marines. Woop-dee-doo.

You have seen the power of the US in Iraq twice.

Don't be fooled that the US couldn't have her way with Iran in the same exact maner. Hell, don't ask me, go to some Iranian generals and ask them "Can we beat the USA head to head in a war".

See what he tells you.

Originally posted by American Mad Man

I believe your understanding of how war works is a bit flawed. Do you really think that Iran stands a chance to take even 1,000 American lives? Hell, you are playing into Americas hands by attempting to fight a conventional war at all. That just makes it easy.


Everything in a fixed place, such as airfields and missle launch pads, can be taken out LITERALLY with a push of a botton by the US anytime it wanted to. Thats not opinion - thats just fact. Anything in a fixed position is known already by sat coverage. Those things are all dead, and any the US wished to take out would be destroyed in the first 24 hours of conflict.

Don't even bring the Navy into this discussion. The US Navy is BY FAR the most dominate in the world. Iran does not even have a single supercarrier battle group. The US has several in the region alone. Comparing US subs to Iranian subs is like comparing Micheal Jordan to a 2 year old trying to play basket ball - no contest. The US Navy has HUNDREDS more ships ALL of which are better in a head to head comparison.

Iran would be like a virgin on prom night for the US Navy...Easy.

Mobile missle launchers are a bit tougher - I will give you that. However, the US holds an EXTREME advantage in comminication as it is. Couple this with the systematic destruction of every C&C center the US can find, and these missles become less of a threat.

i didnt say they can win
but they can still take out a couple of thousend US forces and thats a good thing ( wouldnt mean anything to US govermnet as they can easily replace them )

even if they dont fight a convential war they still have missile and so on and unlike Iraq they arnt under international sanctions so they have better deffences not some 3rd world one like Iraq which barely worked.

Iran also have developed their own missiles which have enough range to hit isreal if they are stupid enough to attack aswell ( even so some may be shot down if the israeli missile deffence works )

also Iran have many fast attack boats that are equiped with silk worms and other missiles and no matter how adavanced the US navy is and how many ships of Irans it takes out a few will make it and still have enough firepower to take out enough US ships and with that take the lives of enough US personale serving on them

even so Iran still doesnt have a chance of winning a war they still have a few advantages.

1. they saw what happend to Iraq and are more preperd for this then of Iraq which after years of sanctions and bombings ment even the most poorist country could take them out with ease ( so iraq was just a walk in the park for the US )

2. Iran havent been under sanctions and have been playing their diplomatic cards right with china and russia and have gained alot of new miliary tec, air deffences,planes, and so on.

3. the US cant take out Irans nuclear reactor without turning it into a war and launching a invasion because they know Iran would launch everything they have.

and since Iran is a much larger and more populated country then Iraq you can just imagine what would happen to the numbers of US trrops being killed ( that is if they invade )

Originally posted by American Mad Man
# loads? Well, I wouldn't give them 1 chance in a hundred to kill a thousand of our boys. Thats 1000 too many in my book, but being realistic and comparing it to past wars, it is an extremely low number.

your right a couple of thousend people getting killed isnt nothing


[edit on 20-3-2005 by bodrul]

I am very disturbed about how many people on this forum war on terrorism is talking about a war after war after war... You sound like professional ravers that are goin on a party after party after party... You are also talking about using WMDs nukes and WWIII. Cool down about wars especialy WWIII or using of nukes. Today I received by e-mail not so funny joke.

WWWIII has begun and quiclky ended. All people were killed also many of the animals. But two monkeys survived. They were sitting on the tree, scratcing their arses and then one monkey tell to another: "Well, I guess we have to start all over again".

I hope war eager beavers on this forum will chill a little.

[edit on 21-3-2005 by yanchek]

Good Lord all the nationalistic self-stimulation in here is nauseating.

The US is in no position to invade Iran. Sure our military is better equippped and better trained - we have a lot more money than the Iranians. It's also completely tied down in Iraq, with barely enough trigger-pullers to accomplish the job there.

Nationalistic fantasy seems to involve a lot of magical thinking.
Where are the troops going to come from? A draft?
People are already sick of the mess in Iraq, there is no way they are going to stand for a draft to invade yet another country that has not attacked us.

All the pumped-up chest thumping the armchair warriors can muster is not going to make one bit of difference: the US simply doesn't have the manpower available to take on Iran on it's own territory. And I'm not holding my breath until all the internet tough guys sign up to put their own butts on the line.

Sue we can bomb them, tomahawk them, whatever.
But talk of an invasion is simply nonsense.

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