The Drake Equation Fallacy

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

Be well Jay Morris

Dodging again! lol

If not for dodging and posting fallacies, he'd have no argument at all. Gotta love these self righteous theists that over project their nonsense and only create more atheists in the process.

originally posted by: cooperton
The fact that you can study anything at all is a sign of intelligence.

LMAO, yes, HUMAN intelligence. So dishonest...

The fact that I am typing on this keyboard made by intelligent human beings is another testament to the undeniable intelligence that is everywhere.

Humans creating things says absolutely zero about "undeniable intelligence that is everywhere." Like I said, this guy has been lying on here for years and doesn't even care despite it being in the ten commandments. Pure comedy.

The cosmos behave according to mathematical law, do you actually think these precise mathematical gears came to be by random chance? It is infinitesimally more likely that the order exhibited in the world was implemented by an intelligent being.

More old tireless lies and a straw man on top if it. So dishonest. It's pathetic. You really think God just happens to exist as the default state of all existence just by random chance? So the most complex thing imaginable in all of history just happens to be there from nothing. Yeah safe to say you are a liar just projecting your faith as fact. If intelligence can only come from intelligence, where the # did god's intelligence come from? It's hilarious how you repeatedly use special pleading and double standards, breaking all your rules that you establish.

your faith that it came to be unintelligently is literally the most unintelligent belief in the universe.

LOL! Because the smartest scientists in the world are unintelligent. Stop being so dishonest.

a reply to: Barcs

That's a complete lie.

You over stated an over statement. What I should have said was science
can't demonstrate anything pertaining to how life began, (abiogenesis,
natural selection) outside of a lab. Also any human involvement what
so ever and any experiment attempting to show how natural selection
is possible, emergence can happen without the guidance of an intelligent
being. And the demonstration becomes an example of creation

Now one point at a time m-kay. Please without accusation or ad hominem
attack ( That only looks like a lack of education) correct me?

Not how it works. You don't get to redefine words to promote your silly agenda.
If you say something is Impossible, that means you can prove it can't happen.

Aren't you the one redefining words here?

Impossible-
not able to occur, exist or be done, out of the question, unacceptable
unattainable in the nature of things ( There's a good one )

No need demonstrate the odds against everything you HOPE to believe.
The odds against it would fill the universe with zeros.

And that's the truth hombre.

Your hope is the fulfillment of an ancient promise as old as man himself!
Your hope is to replace God by tinkering with his creation. Also impossible.

LOL! Have you proved that is possible for a being to just exist from nowhere capable of universe creation??? Do you even think before you post?

Did you understand what I meant with the words "By definition"
The very word God defines him as being capable. Nothing to prove.
As I said stay in context.

a reply to: Barcs

LOL! Because the smartest scientists in the world are unintelligent. Stop being so dishonest.

You can educate an idiot and wahtcha got, is an educated idiot.
Attacking the person instead of debating the subject usually points
that out nicely. But at least you're coherent.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Barcs

LOL! Because the smartest scientists in the world are unintelligent. Stop being so dishonest.

You can educate an idiot and wahtcha got, is an educated idiot.
Attacking the person instead of debating the subject usually points
that out nicely. But at least you're coherent.

And you managed to ignore most of his points, like you ignored mine! It's not just you, people who try and push their God onto other people always tend to look stupid in the end!

a reply to: Jay-morris

And you managed to ignore most of his points, like you ignored mine! It's not just you, people who try and push their God onto other people always tend to look stupid in the end!

Again you make no sense. Claiming I'm " Pushing my God on to other people"?
When you of your own free will choose to click and join the conversation
commanding God does not exist? Is unmistakably ignorant in real time.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

And you managed to ignore most of his points, like you ignored mine! It's not just you, people who try and push their God onto other people always tend to look stupid in the end!

Again you make no sense. Claiming I'm " Pushing my God on to other people"?
When you of your own free will choose to click and join the conversation
commanding God does not exist? Is unmistakably ignorant in real time.

How is it ignorant to claim God does not exist, when there is absolutly no evidence that he does? Are people ignorant because they do not believe in farther Christmas or the tooth fairy, or any other made up being?

a reply to: Jay-morris

Lol I knew you would do that dodgy!

This is the apex of my comment not the other ignorant part

" Pushing my God on to other people"?
When you of your own free will choose to click and join the conversation

Speak!

Also to claim God does not exist is ignorant because it hasn't been proven
in any way. You don't have that kind of knowledge at all. So it really shows
your ignorance of the subject.

originally posted by: Jay-morris

How is it ignorant to claim God does not exist, when there is absolutly no evidence that he does?

This guy responds to the claim that there is no evidence for God('s existence). Actually, it's a response to a response to a response. Key points at 2:16 - 3:24 and 7:31 - 9:00. The rest can be a bit distracting and/or confusing:

a reply to: carsforkids

Also to claim God does not exist is ignorant because it hasn't been proven
in any way. You don't have that kind of knowledge at all. So it really shows
your ignorance of the subject.

So, with that logic, its ignorant to say that vampires, werewolves, unicorns, tooth fairy etc etc becsuse it has not been proven in any way!?

Also to add , is it not ignorant to believe that Other life forms are not out there in the universe, because we do not know either way?

You say that about God, but you dismiss there could be other lifeforms in the universe. That's hypocrisy at its finest lol

a reply to: Jay-morris

You say that about God, but you dismiss there could be other lifeforms in the universe. That's hypocrisy at its finest lol

It isn't hypocrisy. Because your claim that alien life forms exist is
dependent an assertion that is impossible by the laws of natural reality.

My belief in a Creator who's boundaries extend beyond natural reality is
actually very much a part of the equation that explains how life began.

Science can't explain how life began because it refuses the key piece
of the puzzle. And as long as that is the case science never will explain
it. Not without declaring something that truly is impossible. God is
possible. Jesus Christ is God.

a reply to: carsforkids

It isn't hypocrisy. Because your claim that alien life forms exist is
dependent an assertion that is impossible by the laws of natural reality.

What? Please explain how it is impossible? Can't wait to hear what you say lol

My belief in a Creator who's boundaries extend beyond natural reality is
actually very much a part of the equation that explains how life began.

You used a very important word there! "Belief" because that's all it is! No evidence at all! And what do you go by? A book that was so obviously written by man. I have you an example before, which you ignored. God made everything in 6 days. We know this to be BS because it took billions of years for the universe to evolve, and it's still evolving. Galaxies, suns and planets are being destroyed and made. So straight away, the 6 days theory is rubbish!

We know the basic building blocks for life, and we know we are here, so if there is a planet like earth out there, chances are, it will have some sort of life.

But there is no evidence of a God, on belief. And that belief was around a lot longer before Jesus, the bible and Christianity.

People need to believe that some greater power made us. Always been the way, hence the reason it will never go away.

But there is as much evidence for a God, than there is the tooth fairy!

originally posted by: Barcs
yes, HUMAN intelligence.

Ok good start, you are admitting there is intelligence. Intelligence comes from intelligence, not unintelligence. It's so obvious there really isn't need to say more.

There are still intelligible laws and forces in this world that are yet to be fully understood by human intelligence. Take for example death, which is totally insurmountable by human intellect. Therefore, there must be an intelligence greater than we can currently comprehend that created and perpetuates the various laws of nature and physics.

Because the smartest scientists in the world are unintelligent

You suppose the greatest scientists in history don't believe in God? That is absurd. Here's one of my favorites:



Here's one especially for you:

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

You say that about God, but you dismiss there could be other lifeforms in the universe. That's hypocrisy at its finest lol

It isn't hypocrisy. Because your claim that alien life forms exist is
dependent an assertion that is impossible by the laws of natural reality.

My belief in a Creator who's boundaries extend beyond natural reality is
actually very much a part of the equation that explains how life began.

Science can't explain how life began because it refuses the key piece
of the puzzle. And as long as that is the case science never will explain
it. Not without declaring something that truly is impossible. God is
possible. Jesus Christ is God.

Please show me the equation that even the slightest
hints as this being true...

The Drake Eq is a theoretical mathquiss that hints about alien life...

There is no God, Gods or Deities of any kind...
When ppl realizes this to be true we might actually
get some real good done...

a reply to: Jay-morris

What? Please explain how it is impossible? Can't wait to hear what you say lol

I already have so now you get a video. Not very long at all.



Explained your godless aliens are impossible.

You nor I nor anyone in Gods creation can say God is impossible.

Well of course you can but you're just lyin to you're own self.

Good luck!

a reply to: Miccey

There is no God, Gods or Deities of any kind...

Really? You just gonna pop into existence, I mean the conversation and
announce the same lie all over again? Are you kidding me? lol

Please show me the equation that even the slightest hints at this being true

No physical quantity explains it's own existence nor can you have an
infinite number of causes. Let's say a domino is marked X and you need
an infinite number of domino's to get to X. You will never get to X
So how do you explain existence? Abiogenesis, natural selection,
spontaneity, emergence. blah blah what are the odds of that?

The only way to explain it is with an addition to the equation. A causeless
cause which is not physical.

When ppl realizes this to be true we might actually
get some real good done...

Maybe because you can't be trusted to tell the truth. Maybe you haven't
convinced people that science is even capable of good. The elite own you
and science. If those who fund science don't want God to exist? Do you
think science is going to argue?

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

What? Please explain how it is impossible? Can't wait to hear what you say lol

I already have so now you get a video. Not very long at all.

Explained your godless aliens are impossible.

You nor I nor anyone in Gods creation can say God is impossible.

Well of course you can but you're just lyin to you're own self.

Good luck!

So, you post a video from a site that promotes intelligent design lololol Why don't you look at the real science before you post this rubbish!

originally posted by: carsforkids
What I should have said was science can't demonstrate anything pertaining to how life began, (abiogenesis,
natural selection) outside of a lab. Also any human involvement what so ever and any experiment attempting to show how natural selection is possible, emergence can happen without the guidance of an intelligent
being. And the demonstration becomes an example of creation

That is ancient propaganda, it isn't even remotely close to how science works. Just because intelligent humans test things via experiment, doesn't mean it qualifies as intelligent design, that is a false dichotomy, unless you are arguing that humans created the first life/DNA, and we know that's not the case. Plus natural selection has been observed in nature, not just a lab.

Aren't you the one redefining words here?

Impossible-
not able to occur, exist or be done, out of the question, unacceptable
unattainable in the nature of things ( There's a good one )

Exactly. NOT ABLE TO OCCUR. If you claim something is not able to occur, you must have evidence to suggest such, otherwise it is still a possibility, like god, multiverse, cyclical model, membrane theory or any other hypothesis or math theory related to the origin of the universe.

No need demonstrate the odds against everything you HOPE to believe.
The odds against it would fill the universe with zeros.

You are the one that claimed it was impossible, yet you can't even back that statement up. People can hope or believe in whatever they want. You can't say something is impossible without having a reason for such. You can say it's improbable, unlikely, or that we don't know, but to suggest you know something is not possible requires some kind of knowledge relevant to that.

Did you understand what I meant with the words "By definition"
The very word God defines him as being capable. Nothing to prove.
As I said stay in context.

More nonsense and an an obvious double standard. You said everything should be called impossibilities until proven possible, then when I mentioned the same about God you suddenly pull a u-turn, which then creates a special pleading fallacy. You gotta do better than appeals to ignorance and special pleading.

By definition werewolves are wolves that can morph into humans. That doesn't make that idea valid or plausible, just because there is an arbitrary definition for the word.

Also to claim God does not exist is ignorant because it hasn't been proven
in any way. You don't have that kind of knowledge at all. So it really shows
your ignorance of the subject.

Claiming god does not exist is just as ignorant as claiming he does. I don't make claims about unknowns, I say we don't know, and there is no evidence of a god, so I lack belief in that claim. I understand he said "claim" but I think he's really talking belief / logical defaults.

Science can't explain how life began because it refuses the key piece
of the puzzle. And as long as that is the case science never will explain
it. Not without declaring something that truly is impossible. God is
possible. Jesus Christ is God.

That is your logical thought process? Again, this is an appeal to ignorance. You claim science can't explain something, therefor it must have been a god. That's fallacious reasoning because burden of proof is on the positive claim, the idea of God doesn't hold true by default because scientists haven't figured out the origin of the universe yet.

originally posted by: cooperton
Ok good start, you are admitting there is intelligence. Intelligence comes from intelligence, not unintelligence. It's so obvious there really isn't need to say more.

LOL @ intelligence comes from intelligence. You don't even think about your arguments, you just repeat the common creationist fallacies. If intelligence can only come from intelligence, then where did God's intelligence come from? (get ready for more dishonest special pleading).

There are still intelligible laws and forces in this world that are yet to be fully understood by human intelligence.

Another appeal to ignorance.

Take for example death, which is totally insurmountable by human intellect. Therefore, there must be an intelligence greater than we can currently comprehend that created and perpetuates the various laws of nature and physics.

WHAT? Death is fully understood. LOL @ suggesting that not understanding death is an argument for a greater intelligence. I can't believe you are still championing failed arguments from decades ago and won't even adjust your view when refuted.

You suppose the greatest scientists in history don't believe in God? That is absurd. Here's one of my favorites:[.quote]

LOL @ quote mines and appeals to authority. You realize that most scientists DO NOT believe in an intelligent designer, right? Your arguments never evolve, they stay the same despite being refuted thousands of times over and you literally don't even care. Many scientists believe in god, many don't. Their opinions on God are not facts LOL.

a reply to: carsforkids

LOL @ your propaganda video. Improbable =/= impossible, plus there is too much we don't know about the origin of the universe to even claim that. Stop lying, dawg. You are regurgitating the oldest creationist fallacies in the book. Try reading actual science instead of propaganda and you might get somewhere, but you making yourself look really bad here. You might as well be a fundamentalist Muslim arguing for the Quran.