The Drake Equation Fallacy

a reply to: TzarChasm

because from that point onward, a large variety of factors can impact the odds and possibilities of what form life will take and how soon they will develop radio technology.r

I give you great respect for your arguments and your conduct. But aren't you
making a pretty large leap from the " Possibilities" as you prefer them. To the
forms life can take? And shouldn't those "possibilities" be referred to more
accurately as impossibilities? At least until they've been proven to be possibilities?

Of which by the way must be proven in just the manner the science suggests.

Without human intervention, not in a laboratory. Perfectly el natural in a hostile
environment. What's that do to the odds and factors?

a reply to: Jay-morris

How can you say that?

Because it's evident even in this very post. Hate

There we have child abuse, slavery, racism, sexism, homophobic, torture. I could go on and on, and you say I am the hatful one?

Who are you blaming for these acts?

But of course, people like you always cherry pick their religon,

People like me, are often judged based on preferred assumptions such
as these by people like you out of hate. Your lack of understanding is
perceived to be cherry picking? Can you even tell me what my RELIGON
is?

And nothing about any of this is simple obviously. So I don't see how you
can say that and that next line you need to rephrase.

Unless God is a into child abuse, slavery, racism, sexism, homophobic, torture. Is he?

I don't know what to do with that.

a reply to: carsforkids

No! It's not hate! It's fact! Read the bible and tell me it's not filled with terrible stuff! So, if the bible is words from God, and not humans, thst mskes him a sociopathic control freak does it not?

Who are you blaming for these acts?

You tell me! They are in the bible! Are you cherry picking again?

People like me, are often judged based on preferred assumptions such
as these by people like you out of hate. Your lack of understanding is
perceived to be cherry picking? Can you even tell me what my RELIGON
is?

And nothing about any of this is simple obviously. So I don't see how you
can say that and that next line you need to rephrase.

You have been dodging questions you cannot answer all through this thread! Can I tell what religon you worship? Does not matter, you take the bible as gospel, and that's enough for me!

I don't know what to do with that.

Again, another question I give you, and you just cannot answer. Not a suprise really!

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: TzarChasm

It's an equation without a solution.

Solve for X

A x 3B + 4C - 9D x 2E = X

Where A = 3

the drake equation was written to figure out a hypothetical estimation, a possible number of planets which exhibit properties known to sustain life. the question is not about how life happens, it is about how life persists and survives.

Nothing can persist if it does not begin. So you are wrong that the DE is not about life beginning, it is. And we have literally zero data about life persisting other than Earth. Might as well ask a first grader to pick a number between 0 and 100 and use those numbers.

you just went from literally zero to a whole lot in one sentence. and comparing a first grader to a published physicist is a little hurtful. my point was that the drake equation doesnt depend on "how life began" because from that point onward, a large variety of factors can impact the odds and possibilities of what form life will take and how soon they will develop radio technology. its not like some ancient alien race gave us cell phones and the internet.

You can ask a 1st grader or published physicist, the answer either give will have the same evidence behind it.

There is simply no getting around the fact that you can't determine how many planets will develop intelligent life without first determining how many have life at all. In order to do that, you need to understand how life begins.

With all that aside, the only experience we have with life is a sample size of 1. Thinking we can extrapolate from that sample size to the entire universe is just silly. It's an interesting thought experiment, but beyond that it really has zero practical value.

a reply to: Jay-morris

No! It's not hate! It's fact! Read the bible and tell me it's not filled with terrible stuff! So, if the bible is words from God, and not humans, thst mskes him a sociopathic control freak does it not?

Pulp fiction is a movie ( different venue) " With terrible stuff". if the script is words from Quentin Tarantino
and he is a human? How in the hell does that make him a sociopath and a control freak?

Your powers of observation continue to amaze me. Your hate is so blind
you can't even think straight.

You tell me! They are in the bible! Are you cherry picking again?

Seriously amigo I'm not even sure you know cherry picking is.

You have been dodging questions you cannot answer all through this thread

False I have answered only those questions that deserve an answer. And even
some of yours that do not. So stop whining take a breath and count to ten.

And you would do well to learn how to spell the word r e l i g i o n. If you're
going to assume someone has one and then use it in a sentence.

Again, another question I give you, and you just cannot answer. Not a suprise really!

I could of answered with something just as coherent! Here how bout this fpr an answer/

No I'm not a dodger fan!

There's your answer.

originally posted by: carsforkids
The odds against what you (science) suggest is responsible for just one human
coming into existence is impossible.

Funny, I asked you to prove that and you just restated it. Impossible? That's on you to prove, buddy, because we already know the evolutionary mechanisms responsible for most of that development.

Science can't even prove it's BS and you want me to prove God exists?

That's a serious statement? Science can't prove its BS? You made the claim, not me. Burden of proof is always on the positive claim.

A rather sharp turn to CONCLUSION for a mere bend in the road.
Do you think it made your argument more convincing? It doesn't.
To me it means you realize you don't have a good one.

Coop lies constantly on here. I've been observing it for years. Sorry to claim that ID is more plausible than any other explanation is a lie because there is zero evidence to even study.

And shouldn't those "possibilities" be referred to more
accurately as impossibilities? At least until they've been proven to be possibilities?

Impossible means there is demonstrably no way it can happen. There isn't enough data in order to say any of those explanations are impossible. If that's how you are defining it, then god is impossible by those standards, since you haven't proved it possible for such a being to just exist.

a reply to: Barcs

Impossible means there is demonstrably no way it can happen. There isn't enough data in order to say any of those explanations are impossible. If that's how you are defining it, then god is impossible by those standards, since you haven't proved it possible for such a being to just exist.

Science can not demonstrate anything outside of a lab. That's how
I define it because you can't deny it. The data doesn't make a pimple
on nat's ass compared to the universal insurmountable amount of
odds against your fake lying science. I'd rather believe in Jesus Christ
than your stupid BS.


Get a grip.

You are something else amigo!

I have only one question for you. When is there ever enough data to say
an explanation is impossible?

Do stay in context please.

a reply to: carsforkids

Pulp fiction is a movie ( different venue) " With terrible stuff". if the script is words from Quentin Tarantino
and he is a human? How in the hell does that make him a sociopath and a control freak?

LOL are you serious!? So, you are saying the bible is written by man? Which means it is made up by man? The bible was not written to be read so thst people can have a good time! Seriously, I think you do not even know what to believe lol

Your powers of observation continue to amaze me. Your hate is so blind
you can't even think straight.

So, you say that the bible was written by man, but then you somehow use it as proof for God lol Says it all really!

Seriously amigo I'm not even sure you know cherry picking is.

Yeah? Most religous people like you do not know, or pretend they do not know!

False I have answered only those questions that deserve an answer. And even
some of yours that do not. So stop whining take a breath and count to ten.

LOL no! You have ignored questions you cannot answer, simple as that! Thst much is obvious!

And you would do well to learn how to spell the word r e l i g i o n. If you're
going to assume someone has one and then use it in a sentence.

It's the predictive text on my mobile! Sho cares! You know what it means!

I could of answered with something just as coherent! Here how bout this fpr an answer/

No I'm not a dodger fan!

There's your answer.

Was everything made in 6 days?

a reply to: Jay-morris

God

Text(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

Dictionary

By definition a supreme being who created the universe could
have created the universe in six days. A supreme being who created
the universe would also easily be capable of providing man a message
in his absence. The Bible is far and away the best example of such a
message.

The Bible says what it says and I don't question it any
more. Used to, but thru patience the answers would come out
of no where. in the middle of day to day living. Experiences in
life would provide the answer to some question I had for God.
I did that enough times to realize their was really no point in
having questions any more. May be that's why I don't always
jump to answer them. I doubt God wants me answering questions
you should be asking him.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

God

Text(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

Dictionary

By definition a supreme being who created the universe could
have created the universe in six days. A supreme being who created
the universe would also easily be capable of providing man a message
in his absence. The Bible is far and away the best example of such a
message.

The Bible says what it says and I don't question it any
more. Used to, but thru patience the answers would come out
of no where. in the middle of day to day living. Experiences in
life would provide the answer to some question I had for God.
I did that enough times to realize their was really no point in
having questions any more. May be that's why I don't always
jump to answer them. I doubt God wants me answering questions
you should be asking him.

So, God created everything in 6 days? Why are we still seeing things created in the universe. Things that take millions of years? We are seeing new galaxies being born, just like our galaxy. Can you explain that?

So, you believe that the bible is God's word? If that's true, then what are your opinions of the damn right disgusting things in the bible? Yes, it's easy to cherry pick the void, non violent stuff in the bible, but if you believe it's the word of God, then how can you not question that?

More importantly, why would anyone worship a God like that, thst is so cold and primitive in thinking?

That God reflects the people of the times. Primitive, violent, sexist etc etc Its so obvious!

a reply to: Jay-morris

So, God created everything in 6 days? Why are we still seeing things created in the universe. Things that take millions of years? We are seeing new galaxies being born, just like our galaxy. Can you explain that?

How are we seeing things created in the universe if they take millions of years
to create? Dude I'm try'n to work with you here but this is waste of time. Please
at least try to make sense?

So, you believe that the bible is God's word? If that's true, then what are your opinions of the damn right disgusting things in the bible? Yes, it's easy to cherry pick the void, non violent stuff in the bible, but if you believe it's the word of God, then how can you not question that?

What is my opinion of the "Disgusting things "in the Bible? Well just like
you I'm of the opinion that "disgusting things" are disgusting. But you seem
to be convinced you can use the Bible to convict and judge God. And I really
mean this. It's hard for me to imagine anyone could be that far out in the
dark chazm. lol

More importantly, why would anyone worship a God like that, thst is so cold and primitive in thinking?

Worship a God like what? You aren't even being coherent. You need to work on your writing skills.
Or maybe it's because you're on a phone? IDK

a reply to: carsforkids

How are we seeing things created in the universe if they take millions of years
to create? Dude I'm try'n to work with you here but this is waste of time. Please
at least try to make sense?

Seriously? We are seeing things being created in the universe all the time! We are seeing things that have been created and destroyed thousands of years ago because that how long it can take the light to reach us. It's basic science!

New galaxies are bring formed which we can see. The process does not take 6 days lolol

What is my opinion of the "Disgusting things "in the Bible? Well just like
you I'm of the opinion that "disgusting things" are disgusting. But you seem
to be convinced you can use the Bible to convict and judge God. And I really
mean this. It's hard for me to imagine anyone could be that far out in the
dark chazm. lol

So you cannot judge God on s book written in God's words that include slavery, sacrifice, murder, racism, sexism etc etc What, should we skip thst part and still call him a "loving God" lol

What if a human had all those beliefs and traits? Chances are, they would be in prison!

Worship a God like what? You aren't even being coherent. You need to work on your writing skills.
Or maybe it's because you're on a phone? IDK

If in doubt, attack the gramma lololol It's a simple question, one you seem to cannot answer!

a reply to: Jay-morris

Be well Jay Morris

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

Be well Jay Morris

Dodging again! lol

a reply to: Jay-morris

Yeah dodging your incoherent ramblings. I can't make any sense
out of em and don't even know if your doing it intentionally. But hey
whatever blows your dress up.

originally posted by: Barcs
Sorry to claim that intelligent design is more plausible than any other explanation is a lie because there is zero evidence to even study.

The fact that you can study anything at all is a sign of intelligence. The fact that I am typing on this keyboard made by intelligent human beings is another testament to the undeniable intelligence that is everywhere. The cosmos behave according to mathematical law, do you actually think these precise mathematical gears came to be by random chance? It is infinitesimally more likely that the order exhibited in the world was implemented by an intelligent being.

Your faith that it came to be unintelligently is literally the most unintelligent belief in the universe.

a reply to: Jay-morris

This might be a little easier if we agree to limit the conversation
to one point at a time. So

So you cannot judge God on s book written in God's words that include slavery, sacrifice, murder, racism, sexism etc etc What, should we skip thst part and still call him a "loving God" lol

You can't put God on trial, judge and convict him because of the sins
of man. All that you have listed are in the Bible big deal. How does that
make God responsible for any of it? The Bible tells the truth about how
evil men have become and you blame God? How are you making that
leap? Can you explain it rationally? Or do you just want to continue with
your snide remarks and lol's so you think you've accomplished something?

Blaming God for our evil is really quite humorous.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

Yeah dodging your incoherent ramblings. I can't make any sense
out of em and don't even know if your doing it intentionally. But hey
whatever blows your dress up.

Cannot make sense of them? They are simple questions! lol

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

This might be a little easier if we agree to limit the conversation
to one point at a time. So

So you cannot judge God on s book written in God's words that include slavery, sacrifice, murder, racism, sexism etc etc What, should we skip thst part and still call him a "loving God" lol

You can't put God on trial, judge and convict him because of the sins
of man. All that you have listed are in the Bible big deal. How does that
make God responsible for any of it? The Bible tells the truth about how
evil men have become and you blame God? How are you making that
leap? Can you explain it rationally? Or do you just want to continue with
your snide remarks and lol's so you think you've accomplished something?

Blaming God for our evil is really quite humorous.

You have not read the bible then! lol

originally posted by: carsforkids
Science can not demonstrate anything outside of a lab.

That's a complete lie.

That's how I define it because you can't deny it.

Not how it works. You don't get to redefine words to promote your silly agenda. If you say something is Impossible, that means you can prove it can't happen. Can you do this? Yeah, didn't think so, pal. By your idiotic logic, God is an impossibility as well, so please stop lying. It's getting old. Burden of proof is on the positive claim. I get that you can't handle backing up claims, but at least be honest here.

The data doesn't make a pimpleon nat's ass compared to the universal insurmountable amount of
odds against your fake lying science.

Then prove it already instead of just repeating the original unsubstantiated claim over and over. LMFAO @ pretending you have knowledge that contradicts science because you heard some idiotic apologists lie on youtube and didn't even fact check it.

I'd rather believe in Jesus Christ than your stupid BS.

Then that's your problem. You'd rather believe in mythology and fantasy over testable science.

I have only one question for you. When is there ever enough data to say an explanation is impossible?

Impossible means you can demonstrate it wrong. You can't. You have no clue what you are talking about, common theme in this thread, just talking out your ass and you tell me to stay in context? LMFAO!!!!

Theists rely on lies, it's really a shame that you have no argument whatsoever, so you just project your own insecurities onto other people and do nothing but commit fallacies and lie. Maybe one day I'll meet an honest theist, but lying is practically built into your faith.

By definition a supreme being who created the universe could have created the universe in six days.

LOL! Have you proved that is possible for a being to just exist from nowhere capable of universe creation??? Do you even think before you post?