The president has a complete 'meltdown' today following a Congressional vote

It was Nancy afterall 😃

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Syria is more properly Russia's client state. Russia has a military base there.

a reply to: Oraculi

We never should have been there...


irritates me that with all the issues in this country congress would waste time on this.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Oraculi

If so many representatives want the US military involved in Syria, then they should vote to declare war.

Simple.

isnt congress the only ones with that actual power?
hmm
potus respecting that power is somehow now wrong.....imagine that

Did he consult Congress before he made this move? Nope. Did he give them the option to vote to remain? Nope.

In what way was Trump respecting Congresses power by acting without consulting them?

a reply to: Fallingdown

I'm conflicted.

I want our troops home but I also understand how wrong abandoning our allies is for the country.

This is a true damned if you do damned if you don't situation.

That's why when I said in my earlier post I felt sorry for him. It was true.

a reply to: Gorgonite

Trump is the Commander in Chief.

If Congress wants to have something to do in Syria, then they ought to declare war on someone.

originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: proximo

Well, since no one wants ISIS I guess that means they're done for..

No of course not - but if they pop their heads up there are a lot of armies already there ready to play wack a mole. If necessary I am sure we can send some troops back in to do it also. We don't have have them stationed there as targets.

Is it really your contention it is the US's job to police the entire world?

Not at all. It's my contention that this isn't a black and white move devoid of any context. Like everyone defending it makes it out to be.

There's a huge difference in a planned, coordinated withdrawal and a spur of the moment military decision made by Donald Trump without consulting anyone about it.

originally posted by: Gorgonite

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Oraculi

If so many representatives want the US military involved in Syria, then they should vote to declare war.

Simple.

isnt congress the only ones with that actual power?
hmm
potus respecting that power is somehow now wrong.....imagine that

Did he consult Congress before he made this move? Nope. Did he give them the option to vote to remain? Nope.

In what way was Trump respecting Congresses power by acting without consulting them?

You clearly don't understand the War Powers Resolution.

originally posted by: xuenchen

It was Nancy afterall 😃

OMG.. If you zoom in to the photo, one Nancy's dentures has come loose! She must have been really angry and frustrated from LOSING over and over and over and over and...

a reply to: Oraculi

This episode and others like it just prove that Trump only cares about his image. He doesn’t care that people died, he cares that it looks bad to have his own party condemn his actions.

No man that isn’t able to take well deserved criticism is fit to be president.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Oraculi

The "War on Poverty", result? More poverty.

The "War on drugs", result? More drugs.

The "War on Terror", result?. . . . . .

And lives, monies and freedoms lost in the process.

a reply to: shooterbrody

If only.

Are you upset that he sent 2k troops to sa?

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: underwerks
*patiently waits for any of those soldiers to actually come home instead of just being moved somewhere else in the middle east..

I am with that...
bring them all home

I could maybe get behind that if that's really what this was. But it's just another lie from Donald Trump. No one is coming home because of this.

The real reason is whatever was in the phone call between Erdogan and Donald Trump. And it sure wasn't about bringing troops home.

Ya, the troops are being pimped out to SA..it's ok, because its for $$

Ergodan called Trumps bluff, would he still have attacked if the U.S. had not moved the token # of troops? We will never know because Trump folded.

Just my 2 c, I could be wrong.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: underwerks

Technically, Turkey is a part of NATO. You may have heard of it.

How would it look to have a NATO member suddenly steal the nuclear ordinance of another NATO member which is housed on their home soil?

What do you think the treaty would stipulate in those circumstances? Do you think Turkey would risk it?

Turkey may be a member of NATO, but Erdogan isn't an ally. I seriously doubt Erdogan would care at all how it looked to anyone.

Sanctions aren't going to stop him from doing anything.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has dismissed US calls for a ceasefire in northern Syria and said that he's not worried about American-imposed sanctions, or the advancement of Russian-backed Syrian forces toward the Turkish border.

Link

a reply to: Gorgonite

If it looks bad to have his own party condemn his actions, then he wouldn't have done this. There are Republicans as critical of this as Democrats.

originally posted by: xuenchen

It was Nancy afterall 😃

Proverbial democrat projecting.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

People don't understand that we went to Syria to defeat ISIS.

ISIS had already butchered 9,000 Kurds.

When ISIS was defeated, we left.

The Kurds should thank us for preventing thousands more of them being killed by ISIS.

Lots of foreign groups think the USA should protect and fund them...PERPETUALLY.

Sadly, lots of Democrat and Republican politicians think we should too!

Thank God THIS PRESIDENT cares about saving American lives...the lives of people we all have a connection with in some way.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: proximo

Well, since no one wants ISIS I guess that means they're done for..

No of course not - but if they pop their heads up there are a lot of armies already there ready to play wack a mole. If necessary I am sure we can send some troops back in to do it also. We don't have have them stationed there as targets.

Is it really your contention it is the US's job to police the entire world?

Not at all. It's my contention that this isn't a black and white move devoid of any context. Like everyone defending it makes it out to be.

There's a huge difference in a planned, coordinated withdrawal and a spur of the moment military decision made by Donald Trump without consulting anyone about it.

You seriously believe he never consulted anyone about getting our troops out of Syria? Seriously, you believe that? He said he wanted to do that while he was campaigning 3 years ago.

He obviously knew what everyone's opinions on it was - but he is the one that gets to make the final call.

I mean this whole thing is laughable - the Kurds were the primary fighting force, we just had advisers there - everyone is acting like we left them defenseless, which is ridiculous. If you read Trumps letter, it is not like we are leaving them high and dry either.

Turkey is going to face consequences - it's just far, far smarter to make them economic instead of using killing people.

a reply to: underwerks

I think such a thing would be one member attacking another because in order to get those bombs, Turkey would have to actually attack that base.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Oraculi

originally posted by: underwerks
*patiently waits for any of those soldiers to actually come home instead of just being moved somewhere else in the middle east..

Yes, that would be something. Since they are not coming home and we are selling 3,000 US troops to the King of Saudi Arabia, chances are those US troops from Syria got relocated and now work for the King. King of SA writes the check to the White House, White House writes the checks to the troops.

Mercenary army for hire.

Jesus Christ, make up your mind. War on Syrian soil good, Troops on Saudi Soil bad. I wonder what besides hate drives your opinions.

So no distinction between preventing your allies from getting slaughtered and in turn setting a bunch of isis prisoners loose..to pimping your boys out to the Saudi's?