Damning study about WiFi and health effects

a reply to: blueman12

5g is not new technology.
All they did was use a different wavelengh.


imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov...

www.lifewire.com...

A 100 watt laser is also EM radiation, it can blind and burn (UV lasers may be considered ionizing) . Although 5G is not ionizing, it can still damage cells in a different way and that may indirectly lead to cancer.

a reply to: XL5

Yeah.
Put your head in a microwave and see what happens.

Uv is right at the breaking point of ionized.

Sunshine can cause cancer and blind you too but you use precautions.

Nah, you first, I'll even defeat the doors safety interlocks for you. Really though, EM radiation does effect cells to some extent and cancer as a secondary effect can not really be ruled out completely. Everything might cause cancer after all. The poison is in the dose.

a reply to: XL5

Which leads back to my coffee comment.

Everything has some effect.

Most are overblown.

There is no evidence that death rates have increased, at all, much less from Wi-Fi. In terms of falling sperm counts, I see that as a GOOD thing. It's a far better solution to overpopulation to have fewer babies than to kill off people who are already alive. The first world countries are already seeing a less than replacement rate. If the population as a whole were to decrease from it's current 7.X billion, slowly, that would be a good thing. Falling population has more to do with economics than WiFi. People who do not do subsistence farming need fewer children, and children cost more. Doesn't matter why it happens as long as it does. And it would be better done with lower sperm counts than guns or epidemics.

I must've missed a turn somewhere.
Wi-fi - tobacco smoking - 5G
I gotta get moar covfefe.

ganjoa

Keep the phone about half an inch from your head and the effect is reduced a lot. This is in the information you received with your phone most likely. They have known about this for a long time. Also this does apply to being too close to the WIFI router, keep it at least three feet from you. To a lesser extent cordless phones also are a problem, especially with the new higher frequencies they have.

None of this is a conspiracy, more people should read their booklets and not just to find out how to use the phone and features. This warning should be put on the cover of the instructions and put on the back of the box in big letters. People won't believe it anyway if it interferes with their desired way of living, but at least they were warned properly.

There is also power running all over in our house and even alexa and Hey Google have WIFI sometimes to control a smart house. A hundred years of evolution is definitely not enough time for our body to acclimate to this in our environment. It is psychoactive too, it does effect our thinking. Even the speaker of a landline phone held to our ears disrupts our brains as does headphones. People might not want to believe that this is going on, but it is.

If you talk a few minutes on a phone a day, this is not a problem. Now the phone in your shirt pocket or pants pocket also does cause problems with health. It is constantly staying in contact with the towers. It may only ping a tower once every fifteen minutes, but with todays phone lifestyle, it is updating or checking text messages quite a bit. Keeping the phone in your shirt pocket can effect nearby organs working properly, keeping it in your pants pocket can cause inflammation of the hip. It interferes with natural nerve and cellular signals and cause lots of problems. I read many articles about this and these types of disputes made it necessary for the FDA to make regulations that made phone manufactures warn about keeping the phone a half inch from the body...it is not a half inch away if it is in your pocket.

a reply to: schuyler

I have never seen reliable evidence or even a scientific explanation of how radio waves could harm a biological structure.

Radio waves energy is too low to interfere with our molecular structure in any major way.

Also think about the history of radio and how ubiquitous it's become. If there were serious health hazards we'd all be dying or already dead decades ago.

I'm extremely skeptical of the claims wifi, including 5g, poses any health hazards.

originally posted by: XL5
Nah, you first, I'll even defeat the doors safety interlocks for you. Really though, EM radiation does effect cells to some extent and cancer as a secondary effect can not really be ruled out completely. Everything might cause cancer after all. The poison is in the dose.

Radio waves are far less energetic than even visible light.

It simply doesn't have the juice to ionize an atom, so I have no clue how they could cause cancer cells or even interfere with our biological structure in any meaningful way.

This whole WiFi scare is probably a cover up of Fukushima and other industrial disasters that polluted our whole planet.

The entire concept of wifi causing biological problems is utterly divorced from our modern understanding of radiation and electromagnetism.

There isn't even a theory to explain how wifi waves could harm you.

Thermal radiation (heat) can damage tissues, so keep that in mind.

If you're exposed to massive levels of RF radiation it can heat you up (like a microwave oven but way weaker).

Putting a cell phone to your skull heats up the tissues because the battery gets so warm. Raising the temperature of your skull can cause tissue damage that can lead to cancer formation in the tissues.

This is overheating / cooking effect.

Keep in mind radio waves are far weaker than even visible light, so going outside in the Sunlight for 1 hour is far more dangerous than being exposed to wifi / radio for weeks on end.

Just be careful not to hold hot objects like cellphones to your face for longer than 2 or 3 minutes.

a reply to: 727Sky
Pretty crappy "study", it seems. It got a pretty negative response.

For example:

Apart from its inconsistency, Pall’s critique fails on several accounts:

Inaccuracies

For example: Pall cites Lee et al. (2014) as showing that Wi-Fi causes “growth stimulation of adipose stem cells (role in obesity?)”. That study exposed human adipose-derived stem cells to Wi-Fi radiation for 5 days from a smartphone mounted just beneath the culture dishes. But the authors drew opposite conclusions to Pall’s: “we could not find any harmful effects of Wi-Fi electromagnetic signals from smartphones”. Lee et al. did report an increased growth rate in the exposed cells, which they attributed to the 2 oC temperature increase produced by the cell phone; thermal controls produced similar effects.

An example of cherry picking: Pall’s Table 1 includes Papageorgiou et al. (2011) that reported effects of Wi-Fi on the amplitude of the P300 evoked responses in humans, but not a comparatively much stronger study by Zentai (2015) that failed to find effects of Wi-Fi signals on spontaneous EEG activity. His Table 1 omits roughly half of the studies that we cited in our review as well as some relatively strong
recent studies (Woelders et al. 2017; Zentai 2015) – none of which reported statistically-significant effects of exposure.

By contrast, Pall appears to accept experimental findings without critical review for statistical and methodological quality. Having examined the additional papers that Pall cites, we reaffirm our earlier conclusion: a number of studies have reported bioeffects of Wi-Fi exposures, but technical limitations make many of them difficult to interpret and artifacts cannot be excluded. We are not aware of any health-agency warnings about health risks of Wi-Fi technology. Despite some level of public controversy and an ongoing stream of reports of highly variable quality of biological effects of RF energy (e.g. articles in a recent special issue of the Journal of Chemical Neuroanatomy, Volume 75, 2016) health agencies consistently conclude that there are no proven hazards from exposure to RF fields within current exposure limits (even as they
consistently call for more research).

www.researchgate.net...




Here's another opinion.

This correspondence refers to the Environmental Research article by Martin L. Pall entitled "Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health". Author presented a biased review about 7 potential effects of Wi-Fi exposure. Most of articles cited are in vitro or in animals and lab conditions, not in humans. In this letter to the editor I analyse the articles cited in Pall's work in order to demonstrate that neither the conclusions nor the title are appropriate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

a reply to: 727Sky
2.4 MHz and 5 MHz has been around for many years before you and I ever stepped foot on this earth and it’s now causing problems to people?
Were you alive when people used 2.4 MHz cordless phones or headsets back in the Stone Age?.......
Now as I think about it... you look at how people act these days, yeah it must be the frequencies that’s causing the chaos!

(My post is not here to cause anger, rage, hate and on.... it’s just an opinion)

Here is a link to an interesting article about this subject.
magdahavas.com...

Last week my heart felt like it had a hole in it and it was racing and slowing down strangely. I went to a doctor and they ran a bunch of tests. All the tests seemed normal. I honestly at times felt I was going to die! I can only imagine what that trip to emergency room is going to cost me.

I placed my phone on airplane mode for some reason and the symptoms stopped one night. In that article this is happening to kids! At schools!

Something strange is going on!

They did blood test, ekg, and X-ray test and couldn’t understand why I felt that way.

originally posted by: Famouszor
a reply to: 727Sky
2.4 MHz and 5 MHz has been around for many years before you and I ever stepped foot on this earth and it’s now causing problems to people?
Were you alive when people used 2.4 MHz cordless phones or headsets back in the Stone Age?.......
Now as I think about it... you look at how people act these days, yeah it must be the frequencies that’s causing the chaos!

(My post is not here to cause anger, rage, hate and on.... it’s just an opinion)

I honestly used to have the same viewpoint as you! However the amount of devices being used then isnt anything near what it is now! consistently changing frequency across the bandwidth spectrum could be causing it. I’m going to get a spectrum analyzer and monitor the frequencies when I’m feeling any symptoms to try and isolate which frequencies within the bandwidth could be causing it

I have a good meter.
I went in to my city and walk't around with it testing.
I only did this a little. ever thing seem'd normal.
until I found one small HOT spot.
I can not see why this was so.
but it was as high as being next to my wifi.

the building has a glass front.
I could see inside! Wifi focusing?
any one help me under stand this?
I dont have the readings.
will go back some day and do a lot more.

a reply to: Oleandra88

Thank you, and yes, I had been aware of the general effects and presence of EMF in our lives. And I already knew that the amount of radiation from the sun reaching the human body at 30000 feet is about 90 times what it is on the surface.

Yes, life is risky.

That those who advance the cause of 5G have not done any test, that they have offered arbitrary 'safety limits' derived from theory with no testing, is a sure sign of the typical human tendency to deceive, especially when $ is involved.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Too true. After all there is Dancing with the Stars to watch, or baseball or football.

a reply to: contextual

I don't think the people selling the equipment want their customers to die, because that would lower the number of customers.

But I do think they don't give a damn if their customers become sicker, because people are already sick.

originally posted by: Famouszor
a reply to: 727Sky
2.4 MHz and 5 MHz has been around for many years before you and I ever stepped foot on this earth and it’s now causing problems to people?
Were you alive when people used 2.4 MHz cordless phones or headsets back in the Stone Age?.......
Now as I think about it... you look at how people act these days, yeah it must be the frequencies that’s causing the chaos!

(My post is not here to cause anger, rage, hate and on.... it’s just an opinion)

Perhaps a typo, but with cellphones were dealing with GHz, not MHz.

And with 5G, it's going to jump to around 24 GHz, a substantial and unexplored (except for crowd control weapons tested by the Pentagon) territory.