The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Even the detonation of a terrorist nuclear device in an American city would not cause this IMHO.

The detonation of a nuclear device on American soil by a terrorist group will only mean that hard-headed Americans would wake up and smell the smoke.

The people of the United States was only angered by 9-11 (not to be down-playing the tragic event), but to actually use a nuclear device against innocent people of this nation: we would totally wipe out any and all suspected nations that harbor terrorists and anyone else that tried to get in our way (and we all know who would try to stop us).

The world should hope and pray that this day should NEVER become a reality.

The people of the United States was only angered by 9-11 (not to be down-playing the tragic event), but to actually use a nuclear device against innocent people of this nation: we would totally wipe out any and all suspected nations that harbor terrorists and anyone else that tried to get in our way (and we all know who would try to stop us).

Well, as an American who just finished paying his annual taxes, I can say that you don't speak for me. If a single nuke goes off on American soil I will first suspect the administration and their darkest allies. I would want to immediately begin examining the paper trail of this explosion and I would try to get any and all Americans to join me in finding out what actually was the cause of that 'terror nuke'.

I would in no way support nuclear retaliation for a single nuke on our home soil. It is far to likely that the administrators will lie to us when chosing a retaliatory target. If we DID retaliate in such a manner and sent a few dozens warheads toward the mid-East... Well, then Mr. Titor may actually have been a time traveller because it would be civil war. Many Americans do not want nuclear war, I assure you.

I do not trust the administrators to choose my enemy. Particularly when they paint a terrorist bogeyman picture while simultaneously disallowing American citizens the right to defend the southern border of our country. The southern border is where most non-documented persons enter the US and we could easily create a hands-across-america of armed men on the southern border but our own government will not allow it. In fact, the President of Mexico appears to have more influence than a United States Governor. But do the United States of Mexico have any sort of Anti terrorist network? Please. Why are we freaking out about one or two terrorists when the are tons of 'illegals' flooding the country anyway? It's truly absurd.

Many Americans believe neither the Warren Report nor the 9/11 commission.

He may not speak for you, but I would say he does speak for the majority of Americans.
He didn't say we'd wipe them out with nukes, he said we'd wipe them out. We'd have every right to nuke them back however.

If we DID retaliate in such a manner and sent a few dozens warheads toward the mid-East... Well, then Mr. Titor may actually have been a time traveller because it would be civil war. Many Americans do not want nuclear war, I assure you.

You don't understand the American people then. No one is going to start fighting and killing each other because we retaliated, I can assure you.
No, no one wants a nuclear war. And there won't be one, as no country would be stupid enough to start a nuclear war with the US.

No, no one wants a nuclear war. And there won't be one, as no country would be stupid enough to start a nuclear war with the US.

Yeah but who's the 'them' we would retaliate against?

Are you saying that we could 'retaliate' with nukes and not have nuke-war happen? That if we say, "Step back, world, while we punish those who did this!" that the world will obey us because they have no choice?

I for one would be ready to march on Washington to prevent nuclear retaliation in this scenario. If you think you speak for Americans in saying the oppposite (that Americans would rally such a behind nuclear retaliation), I'd like to see you explain how that is so. Where do you get your low opinion of Americans?

I wonder if John Titor's real name was Jeff Weise..seeing as he called us all sheep that would be better off dead...

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-wD

How do you suppose we hard-headed Americans get any smarter? 90% believe anything we see on the news or the Internet.

None of us would even expect nuclear attacks, let alone believing our own government would use them against us. (I may be misunderstanding what you are saying)

Most Americans may be politically unaware of what's going on, but how is the American population at fault. We have a government, an organization we believe to be telling the truth at all times, telling us lies.

Yes, I believe America is becoming a police state.

Let me give you an example:

A man was put into jail for hitting his wife on accident with a car. The wife was fine, and walked away with very few minor scratches and bruises. Now, the woman definately (sorry for spelling) did not want to press charges, because she understanded perfectly that it was an accident, and it could have happened to anyone.

But the state of Florida charged him and put him in jail for assault and attempted murder, despite the woman's decision to not press charges.

Here's another example:

A man was put into jail for having a small plastic bag that could have potentially had coc aine in it. The bag was empty. The man was charged with posession (sp?) of drugs, despite numerous drug tests.

You can believe these stories, and accept the fact that America IS becoming (or already is) a police state, or you can refuse to believe, and find out what happens over the next 10 years.

I'm sorry if this did not make any sense to anyone. I pretty much wrote everything that was on my mind as it came to me.

-Chris

[edit on 3/24/2005 by Legend]

To Web Devil

how the hell can you say that? that kid had some serious problems and he carried out a serious crime. Have you ever experienced anything like youth violence or know of what it can do? No you havent. Its not something to joke about. At all.

Originally posted by Legend
How do you suppose we hard-headed Americans get any smarter? 90% believe anything we see on the news or the Internet.

None of us would even expect nuclear attacks, let alone believing our own government would use them against us. (I may be misunderstanding what you are saying)

Most Americans may be politically unaware of what's going on, but how is the American population at fault. We have a government, an organization we believe to be telling the truth at all times, telling us lies.

Yes, I believe America is becoming a police state.

Let me give you an example:

A man was put into jail for hitting his wife on accident with a car. The wife was fine, and walked away with very few minor scratches and bruises. Now, the woman definately (sorry for spelling) did not want to press charges, because she understanded perfectly that it was an accident, and it could have happened to anyone.

But the state of Florida charged him and put him in jail for assault and attempted murder, despite the woman's decision to not press charges.

Here's another example:

A man was put into jail for having a small plastic bag that could have potentially had coc aine in it. The bag was empty. The man was charged with posession (sp?) of drugs, despite numerous drug tests.

You can believe these stories, and accept the fact that America IS becoming (or already is) a police state, or you can refuse to believe, and find out what happens over the next 10 years.

I'm sorry if this did not make any sense to anyone. I pretty much wrote everything that was on my mind as it came to me.

-Chris

[edit on 3/24/2005 by Legend]

If 90% of us believe what is on TV how did Bush get re-elected?

I took a polaroid photo of a 12 pound bass and the polaroid photo weighed 8 pounds, so it is possible that carbon dating of the Jesus polaroid might be correct. hee hee When I pulled the bass out of the lake, the water level dropped by six inches, too. ROTFL

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Yeah but who's the 'them' we would retaliate against?

Are you saying that we could 'retaliate' with nukes and not have nuke-war happen? That if we say, "Step back, world, while we punish those who did this!" that the world will obey us because they have no choice?

1. I didn't say we'd retaliate with nukes
2. If we did, we wouldn't level the whole host (of the terrorist) nation. We'd tactical a few terrorist camps maybe, but that would be it.
3. Since no country besides Russia has enough nukes to start a nuclear war with us, and all other countries with nukes aren't stupid enough to use them against the US, no there won't be a nuclear war.
4. And yes, the world community would be behind us if someone nuked us and we attacked back (again, note that I did not say we'd attack them - them being whoever did it and their host country - with nukes)

I for one would be ready to march on Washington to prevent nuclear retaliation in this scenario.

Ok....
Marching and a civil war are two different things. No one in their right mind would start a civil war because we retaliate for being nuked....

If you think you speak for Americans in saying the oppposite (that Americans would rally such a behind nuclear retaliation), I'd like to see you explain how that is so.

People were ready to nuke whoever after 9/11. If a nuke goes off, causing thousands more deaths, and much more long term damage, honestly how do you think the people will react?

Originally posted by Ryanp5555

Originally posted by Legend
How do you suppose we hard-headed Americans get any smarter? 90% believe anything we see on the news or the Internet.

None of us would even expect nuclear attacks, let alone believing our own government would use them against us. (I may be misunderstanding what you are saying)

Most Americans may be politically unaware of what's going on, but how is the American population at fault. We have a government, an organization we believe to be telling the truth at all times, telling us lies.

Yes, I believe America is becoming a police state.

Let me give you an example:

A man was put into jail for hitting his wife on accident with a car. The wife was fine, and walked away with very few minor scratches and bruises. Now, the woman definately (sorry for spelling) did not want to press charges, because she understanded perfectly that it was an accident, and it could have happened to anyone.

But the state of Florida charged him and put him in jail for assault and attempted murder, despite the woman's decision to not press charges.

Here's another example:

A man was put into jail for having a small plastic bag that could have potentially had coc aine in it. The bag was empty. The man was charged with posession (sp?) of drugs, despite numerous drug tests.

You can believe these stories, and accept the fact that America IS becoming (or already is) a police state, or you can refuse to believe, and find out what happens over the next 10 years.

I'm sorry if this did not make any sense to anyone. I pretty much wrote everything that was on my mind as it came to me.

-Chris

[edit on 3/24/2005 by Legend]

If 90% of us believe what is on TV how did Bush get re-elected?

Let me rephrase:

The Media puts their beliefs into our head...the same beliefs of our President. Everyone is saying, "His views are similar to mine. I'll vote for him."

-Chris

Thinking about the situation around the mexican border and the Americans that are going to go to the border and halt illegal Mexicans from crossing. Here I think that if our Governement does anything wrong , such as stopping the Americans or Helping the illegals entering into the USA , then I can see civil war. There are illegals in the USA that are going to try to help there Mexican Brothers cross and there are Americans going to try to stop them from coming accross, I see a fire keg.

[edit on 3/25/2005 by zman]

People were ready to nuke whoever after 9/11. If a nuke goes off, causing thousands more deaths, and much more long term damage, honestly how do you think the people will react?

I like your use of the word "whoever". That's my point, after an event like 9/11, brainwashed Americans would have nuked "whoever"... This is a sad comment on how few Americans can actually think rationally anymore. What's your point? Do you think Americans haven't learned something about their government from the 9/11 coverup? Video tapes being withheld, evidence being surpressed, etc. If a 9/11-type nuke occurs in the USA, there will fewer Americans who are ready to believe the media story and nuke "whomever".

You claim to speak for Americans but you seem to only be speaking for the knee-jerk stupid ones. You aren't in that group stumason, are you? Would you believe the story that comes out of this white house after such a nuke? You'd support Cheney-n'-Chums when they pin the label on a "whomever" and send warheads in that direction? Do you trust your governmental administrators that much? I am curious.

Can you read man?

1. I never said I was speaking for anyone.

2.

You claim to speak for Americans but you seem to only be speaking for the knee-jerk stupid ones.

lol, you're not a very smart man are you. What do you think will happen after we're nuked?
Of course we're going to retaliate. This is no "knee-jerk" reaction. It's what ANY COUNTRY in the world has the RIGHT to do.
I've already said many times that we proabably wouldn't use nukes so I hope that's not what you're thinking I'm talking about.

Would you believe the story that comes out of this white house after such a nuke?

If thier story turns out to be correct then yeah I'll believe it. Why not? Better to believe the correct story than some story someone made up and put on the internet. If thier story doesn't hold water, I have enough resources to investigate and come to my own conclusion.

You'd support Cheney-n'-Chums when they pin the label on a "whomever" and send warheads in that direction?

There won't be any nukes going off any time soon as I don't think anyone is stupid enough to do that right now. So why even mention Cheney? If anything like that should ever happen, he'd probably be dead of old age.
And again, I don't know what part of "no one said we'd retaliate with nukes" is so hard to comprehend. If it was a country like Russia or China, then we'd have every right to nuke them back. But if it was a terrorist, we'd still have that right, but I doubt we would.

That's my point, after an event like 9/11, brainwashed Americans would have nuked "whoever"

Did we though?
NO. We didn't.
And that's my point.

Do you think Americans haven't learned something about their government from the 9/11 coverup? Video tapes being withheld, evidence being surpressed, etc.

lol, did you come to this conclusion on your own? Using your own sources, etc.?
Or did you just read that stuff off the internet?

If a 9/11-type nuke occurs in the USA, there will fewer Americans who are ready to believe the media story and nuke "whomever".

You have no proof of that. There is no evidence to suggest the complete opposite of what you just said won't happen.

If thier story turns out to be correct then yeah I'll believe it. Why not? Better to believe the correct story than some story someone made up and put on the internet. If thier story doesn't hold water, I have enough resources to investigate and come to my own conclusion.

But this is exactly my point. How will you know the "correct story"?

When you do your own "investigation", will you use the internet? You seem to have a low opinion of the internet, so how would you trust your research?

The CIA is telling us that the Iraq War feeds terrorism. Dick Cheney and his friends (and their pocket Democrats, I'm not polarizing) profit from that war and they have millions of Americans on their side. If a nuke goes off in America and they start naming their John Doe and his paper trail, how exactly are you going to uncover any possible shadow-government conspiracy? It takes weeks, months and years for the truth to leak out. Only now do we know that Richard Nixon used the US nuclear arsenal to play brinksmanship games with China. In fact, we have him on audiotape trying to sway Kissinger toward using nukes in Vietnam. This only came out in the past couple years or so.

Tapes Reveal: Nixon Wanted to Nuke Vietnam in 1972

How long would your personal investigation at the local library take? Revealing truth takes decades. That's why I asked you about how quickly you are to trust your government and their official stories. I happen to think that our current media is a tissue of distortion and lies of ommission.

What sort of retaliation would happen then? A few cruise missiles? How much would that comfort a nation who loses ten-million people from a single nuke? Are cruise missiles going to comfort them? No. They would probably want to nuke someone.

I'm just encouraging you to be a part of the collective 'brake' on that knee-jerk mechanism which so many Americans will clearly display. We cannot use nuclear weapons in retaliation until the people of the US have time to spread the facts and share the information. I do not share your low opinion of the internet. I believe the internet is probably the only hope mankind has, and if such an nuclear use does occur, it will be the reputations of web-citizens who are registered on places like ATS that will have the credibility. US network-television is lying to you all the time. These aren't lies of mistruth, but rather, lies of omission and of aubsurd juxtaposition.

It's important we talk about what-if situations.


[edit on 26-3-2005 by smallpeeps]

You claim to speak for Americans but you seem to only be speaking for the knee-jerk stupid ones.

Yeah, that is a correct assesment. I also said something to this effect a few posts back. TJS lives in a make-believe America. An America that only exists in the media - of America.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Yeah, that is a correct assesment. I also said something to this effect a few posts back. TJS lives in a make-believe America. An America that only exists in the media - of America.

Who's TJS?
If you're refering to me....tell me...how did I describe America? I don't recall every describing it, so how is it make believe?

I just told you what's not going on here....because I live here and actually know, unlike you who has no clue and will never know until you actually come here and see for yourself.

Revealing truth takes decades. That's why I asked you about how quickly you are to trust your government and their official stories.

Yes it does take along time.
So why do you believe that 9/11 was a cover up and was set up by the government?
Did you do years of research to figure that out? No you didn't. Because it hasn't been that long. So why do you believe that?

What sort of retaliation would happen then? A few cruise missiles? How much would that comfort a nation who loses ten-million people from a single nuke? Are cruise missiles going to comfort them? No. They would probably want to nuke someone.

We'd take care of business, that's what we'd do. Did we just fire a few cruise missles after 9/11? No. So why would we do it after a nuke?


And yet again, you have failed (many times now) to see that I said we probably wouldn't use nukes (please tell me what part of that is confusing????)...so the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Back to Titor:

Titor mentioned nothing about a civil war in China and China is 1000X more likely than the U.S. to have a civil war in the near future.
Not that it's going to happen, but so much more likely.

I just told you what's not going on here....because I live here and actually know, unlike you who has no clue and will never know until you actually come here and see for yourself.

Tell me, which country does Alex Jones live in?

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Tell me, which country does Alex Jones live in?

Alex Jones?
lmao!

You really think he's the number one authority on what goes on in the US?
lol!
Wow man....just...wow...

No wonder all your posts have been like they were.
Please tell me that's not the only place you're getting your info on America from!

This is exactly why you HAVE to come over here to make your own judgement. Alex Jones has his own agenda. Why he chooses to report only bad things (and blows alot of stuff out of proportion) and why he hates America is beyond me, but for every Alex Jones there's a Matt Drudge. Anyone can build a website and post articles on it.
Just because someone agrees with you doesn't mean that you're right....