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Originally posted by andersonr
I have heard that American troops would NOT shoot American people
if a Civil war was to occur in America...
I have also heard that America has some 2 million + FOREIGN troops on herr soil who wouldn't think twice about shooting American people in the event of a civil war.
Also Titor said 2005 Civil war would start but not become obvious until 2008
Originally posted by Ryanp5555
Originally posted by greenturtle
The measure of a man is their decency in victory - not defeat - and by that standard your post suggests at the very least a certain lack of graciousness.
So, another words, i should just sit here and let you call me an idiot, as you did earlier in this topic? Is your way of thinking, "Take my abuse but i won't take yours?" Hypocritical to say the very least!
I dont know why you believe that the upper class is split on Republican vs. Democratic. You may be looking for the phrase a Moderate-Republican, someone who is willing to vote out of their party if they really like, or dislike, a candidate.
The fact of the matter is that Bush's largest margin of victory was among the white working class, even though working class African-Americans and Latinos trend strongly Democrat. Bush also had a strong showing among white, exurban middle and upper middle class Americans, but on the other hand the Democrats have owned the inner suburbs and the "new economy" middle class (of all races) - software developers, engineers, animators, IT managers, etc - since the 1992 election. As for the wealthy, again they're split, with "old economy" money (mining, real estate, manufacturing, farming, etc) going to Bush and "new economy" money (Silicon Valley, Hollywood, biotech, the media, etc) going to Kerry.
Yes it is pretty split down the middle, HOWEVER, we currently have one of the least liked Presidents in office, and it showed on the day of the election that America is trending Republican.
The country, you'll recall, is pretty well split down the middle.
Bush won this election because Americans are scared out of their wits about the possibility of someone flying an airplane into their respective place of work, not because anyone but the super-rich is crazy about his economic policies, or because anyone but the fringe religious right is crazy about his social policies. Americans support Bush's foreign policy of Arab democratization, but this country has an isolationist soul, and the American people simply want this whole mess to be over with as soon as possible.
Sure, Americans may be scared that someone is going to run a plane into their office building, however, that isn't even close to the whole story. If that was so, then America wouldn't have voted nearly all republicans into office, including voting out Tom Daschel (D). He won, mostly, because you don't take a leader out of office when you are fighting a war, or so the saying goes. He also won because Kerry was a stiff, and very shady to say the least. Yes we want this mess to be over with.
Arab democracy is coming - and thank God for that - but the old American-dominated geopolitical order is also dying at the same time. By the end of the "war on terror" there will be a new international order emerging, with a strong China, a growing India, a unified Europe, and a deeply indebted America whose people are tired of spending so much of their GDP policing the world and so little on their own. Churchill saved Britain from Nazism, and was promptly booted from office for the most socialist prime minister Britain has ever had. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing happen here.
Umm... America is going to EASILY make that money back once everything is over with. You forget that China is on the brink of a war between them and Tawain, which would then involve The US, Japan, and Australia to say the very least. Did you know that California makes a profit of 1 trillion dollars every year? America is 7 trillion dollars in debt, and before these wars and the PLANNED economic drop, although 9/11 made it much worse, America was pulling in around 13 trillion dollars a year. The ecoonomy will grow, mainly because of the Republican base in power, as that is what they are known for. A war between China and the US would pretty much collapse China's economy. As for India, i agree that they are growing, and they are being smart about it, but they still have some very bad blood with their neighbors, Pakistan. The US could easily survive a war with China, although Target would take the place of Walmart, or some other store.
But, lets get this topic back on track, John Titor is nothing more than a fraud, who was incredibly vague, and all the information he provided is yet to come true. Trust me, as a US citizen living in a BLUE state, i can assure you that no one is that upset that they are going to start a civil war. America is starting to regain some juice in it's economy and people are happier.
[edit on 14-3-2005 by Ryanp5555]
Originally posted by sosuemetoo
If everyone would start reading what he has to say, instead of wondering if timetravel is possible or looking at the cheesy photographs, I believe the disbelievers would come to a different conclusion.
JT's fax to Art Bell in 1998 where he mentions a missing skyscraper.
Cern's recent announcement.
Hawking's changing his mind and agreeing with JT
No WMD found in Iraq
100,000+ people dying
Originally posted by radardog
However, I must ask, have you ever read the patriot act?
A spokesman for the House Judiciary Committee, Jeff Lungren, said, "We haven't heard anything from the Justice Department on updating the PATRIOT Act. They haven't shared their thoughts on that. Obviously, we'd be interested, but we haven't heard anything at this point."
After reviewing the draft legislation, Dr. David Cole of the Georgetown University Law School said raises a "lot of serious concerns." "It's troubling that they have gotten this far along and they've been telling people there is nothing in the works." He added the proposed changes "would radically expand law enforcement and intelligence gathering authorities, reduce or eliminate judicial oversight over surveillance, authorize secret arrests, create a DNA database based on unchecked executive `suspicion,' create new death penalties, and even seek to take American citizenship away from persons who belong to or support disfavored political groups."
Innocently entitled the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003," this expansion of both police and government powers was kept deep within the confines of the Justice Department until leaked to the public. As usual, the corporate controlled mass media made little of the story but it sparked outrage on the Internet and from some columnists.
rense.com...
Originally posted by greenturtle
The measure of a man is their decency in victory - not defeat
'The measure of a man is not in their victory, but in their defeat' - MLK
"A police state is a state with police powers"
hmmm....ok. Name one country without a police force. Name one country with 300 million people without a police foce. Name one country that doesn't need a police force. I can't think of one.
By your definition every country on the planet is a police state.
As for which constitutional rights are taken away.
You can get shot by the police on suspicion
You can be detained indefinitely
You can be relocated in camps outside of US
You can get arrested without a warrant
You can be prosecuted without a judicial hearing
You can be searched without a warrant
You can be imprisoned as a terrorist for dissenting against state
You are are liable to death penality for any federal crime punishable by 1 year+
You're a smart one aren't you. Read our constitution then get back to me. Read the PA then get back to me.
Real information. Unfiltered and not propagandadized.
You're a complete moron if you think that type of stuff goes on everyday. Man, one of my pet peeves is stupidity and you're really pushing that button. If you have something like that happen more than once a decade it's a shocker.
Get real man.
It's ok for the US not to be as evil as you're trying to make it.
No, I am getting all this information from reliable media sources and US media sources itself.
"reliable" like prisonplanet?
LMAO!!!
Good one!
I pity you if you actually believe that. I hope you never find the truth, it may be too much for you to handle.
wow, just wow.
Have you even been to the United States? I honestly doubt it. Until you've been here for a substatial period of time you views on how the US populace is , means NOTHING.
The typical show of mentality I have seen by a Bush supporter in this forum.
What type of menality am I showing btw? I asked a question (which, again, you failed to answer).
Originally posted by Ryanp5555
-America is the most powerful nation on Earth
-Bush is the leader
-Bush was re-elected by the majority
-The people who didn't vote Bush were typically the lower class/impoverished/college students.
-You claim that people who vote Bush are dumb
and to restate my first point and 3rd point
-Bush WAS re-elected
-America IS the most powerful Nation on the Planet.
Next order of business..... Indigo_child, you rock. If I knew how to rate you for the way above award, I'd do it.
Please tell me some of this information.
Even, when something like WACO happens, you don't do a thing. You just turn an uncaring blind eye. You should be ashamed of yourself. What a pathetic excuse for a human.
half of you should be dead.
who let such atrocities happen to their people, to critize "liberals" for ending the atrocities, and then ask me "How do you which side is better" I know, because I'm not brain dead like you.
So, do you think Moore is telling lies or all the people who were interviewed and all the footage was hoaxed? If that was the case, he would have been indited for fraud, and not be winning film festivals.
I said the typical mentality of a Bush supporter on this forum. Then you said "what mentality am I showing" should I take this to mean you are a Bush supporter.
I was not aware that Hawking had commented on Titor. Do you have some more information, links on this?
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
If you still don't understand, which I suspect you won't(BLACK mentality) the difference is between a police force with the powers of prosecution and a police force that has to go through a system of checks and balances through a fair judicial hearing.
POLICE FORCE - CHECKS And BALANCES = POLICE STATE POWERS
This is why the Patriot act was devised. Your King Bush said it himself in the presidential debate. In the old system, they had to go through many procedures to arrest and prosecute a suspected terrorist. Now, to circumvent that process, the patriot act has given the police absolute power to do what they want.
That is a police state. Nazi Germany was a police state. Sure enough, the behavior of the police towards people, is that of a police state. As wisdom tells you "absolute power corrupts" The police are perpetrating these brutalities against people, only because they can - BLACK PEOPLE think they are our "friends" there is quite a dreamy - pie-in-the-sky topic by a BLACK PERSON on this forum. Check it out.
These are from your PA. Are you telling me this is false, because if you are, please say so. It will give me another opportunity to show you up for the nth time.
Do you know what is very telling about how apathetic(and pathetic), irresponsible and sheep-minded you BLACK PEOPLE are. Even, when something like WACO happens, you don't do a thing. You just turn an uncaring blind eye. You should be ashamed of yourself. What a pathetic excuse for a human.
And when I show you real stories of 9 years olds getting tasered, armoured tanks and special ops attaking neighorhoods, accountants being kept in chains and filthy conditions at airports, family dogs getting shot for no apparent reasons(and the owner still getting a ticket for leaving her dog of the leash) and children getting shot.
You are not going to condemn your state, that such events should even happen and happen so frequently. You're going make excuses about how they are not common events.
You know what, if you [BLACK PEOPLE] had any courage, any intelligence and any compassion for your people, the first time something like WACO happened, you should been out there in arms. You don't do this, because you're mindless sheep, and Titor is right, half of you [BLACK PEOPLE] should be dead.
You can be herded anywhere, made to think anything, that the state wants you too. You have no individuality and no soul. You a part of a herd of sheep. To put very simply, you [BLACK PEOPLE] are pathetic excuses for humans, and you quite simply suck.
This is something you BLACK PEOPLE say, when you can't deal with the reality of things, a bit like your own very baeeaa.
Have you even been to the United States? I honestly doubt it. Until you've been here for a substatial period of time you views on how the US populace is , means NOTHING.
I would not come to your country, even if I won a free trip to it.
The typical show of mentality I have seen by a Bush supporter in this forum.
Again, I'm hoping this is a joke, no?
What type of menality am I showing btw? I asked a question (which, again, you failed to answer).
I said the typical mentality of a BLACK PERSON on this forum. Then you said "what mentality am I showing" should I take this to mean you are a BLACK PERSON. It would make a lot of sense.
Originally posted by Neon Haze
As for the patriot act and the UK's Anti terrorist Laws.... Honestly.... If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about.
Neon Haze.
Change is Inevitable.
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2. America is not a police state. Never has been. Get over it. It's not designed to be one.
lol, why should I tell you anything?
You're a fool. How the **** do you know what we're thinking? You don't. You can't even pretend like you do. So don't even start with this crap. You should be ashamed for posting something as idiotic as this.
Wow, wishing for the deaths of over 150 million people. You're a bright one. And you're supposed to be better than us? HA!
Just a note: Waco and all that crap. Happened under Clinton. A liberal.
You may not be brain dead, but you're not very smart.
You don't understand hollywood then.
And yes, there is alot of stuff that Moore tells you that is false.
What does Moore's documentary have to do with "Hollywood?
Cern's recent announcement.
Originally posted by nukunuku
Well its fairly obvious that Titors predictions dont go well with the supporters of the current regime in USA, as well as the local patriots, and its understandable why.
One cannot ignore the civil unrest that is going on in the USA, nor can one ignore the lack of media coverage of it, as US media serves as the propaganda machine for the government.
I certanly dont know, but the predictions are clever and at least some of them will most probably come true, the American civil war being one of them in my opinion.
You can only say it, not prove it. Yet, I can actually prove it, logically and with evidence. That's the difference between ignorance and knowledge.
I am sorry, but those "liberals" are the only people who have worth in your society. At least they actually do something. At least they have the courage to speak. These are the real citizens of your country and it is they who will revolt to get their voices heard. While the rest of you do nothing at all. You are lazy, civically ignorant, arrogant and stupid(to borrow a few terms from Titor)
You know I am not surprised that Titor said in 2036 people hate you. They have every reason too.
I don't think you're any different than the Germans in Nazi Germany in the past.
but that's one unfortunate event.