The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

syrinx high priest
will you concede titor was a clever hoax when the 2008 summer olympics have come and gone ?

If you read Titor postings correctly, he didn't predict anything for our Olympics. We can read his historical perspective, however this view is not completely ours as he mentioned. Because of this uncertainty, Titor said he has no idea what happens to you in your future.

Anyway, it's still could be canceled with all the problems Beijing has, weather, earthquakes, deadly smog, terrorism, deadly viruses and human rights violations. It's borderline doom and gloom over there.

syrinx high priest
look out your back door. Do you see any organized troops of civilians engaged in combat ?

You better look twice, there is organized troops out there with "No-knock" warrants... On Titor's worldline events like this escalate in 2011. Titor is around 10 years old now. Titor's first experience with war came when he joined a shotgun infantry unit at the age of 13.

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syrinx high priest
he claimed the polar ice caps were not melting at a faster rate in 2036 than they were when he was posting.

What's very interesting about this is the first alarms that went off in the scientific comunity happend shortly AFTER titor stopped posting, so being a hoaxer from this timeline and not a time traveller, he was exposed.

If you go back further in time you would see it fluctuates in cycles. I wouldn't believe those environmental journalists, they work for the NWO Globalist. Greenland was much warmer than it is just 1000 years ago. Yet there wasn’t a major meltdown event.

Doesn't look like it's melting faster to me,


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Meanwhile we creep closer toward WWIII...
Russia threatened to deploy bombers and short-range missiles on the Polish border if Warsaw agrees to host elements of a US missile defence shield on its territory.

reply to LongLance

Amen Amen Amen. by the way this is in no way shape or form merely a one line post.

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And it's interesting to see that Georgia and Russia are now at war at what? The beginning of the olympics.

Are the Olympics still being played in the future?
As a result of the many conflicts, no, there were no official Olympics after 2004. However, it appears they may be revived in 2040.

So we're freaking near the JT timeline...

Also, the new war is portrayed in the medias as Russia started it... when Georgia started it to kill the South Ossetians. And the US is behind that and Russia knows it.

One more step towards WW3.

the olympics have begun

/end thread

I can't belive I'm even posting this.......

I see a lot of reaching and twisting to make current events fit titors hoax. In his own words, his timeline had a 2% divergence from our own

2%

that can't possibly mean in his timeline there were no olympics, and in ours we have 2 official olympics since 2004. Yes 2.

that can't possibly mean in his timeline the american civil war begins in 2004, with monthly waco events, and in ours there isn't one waco like event as late as 8/8/08.

I'm always baffled by the emotional tug this story has on people. Do you want to see billions of people die, or are you just stubborn ?




[edit on 8-8-2008 by syrinx high priest]

the simple fact that johns own logic prevents him from ever returning home, makes the entire trip pointless to anyone and everyone that would have been involved. it did NOT happen, it was a hoax, and if you do not believe me, go to the titor fraud or not thread and see if you can do any better proving he is real.
more importantly, 2% is actually HUGE when you consider that is 2% of EVERYTHING. it is a nice story and all but it was not perfect and the fact that he built in the 2% lie, why would you even bother noting similarities between his predictions or not. couldnt we have lost the olympics and achieved world peace. 2% would say so. so why bother thinking about any of this?

I'm not defending Titor, but he did say back in 2000 " the longer I am here, the larger that divergence becomes from my point of view" and he did stay here for some time. Haven't you guys read his posts? It's 2008 and that divergence is nowhere near 2%. Now here is the good part, he also said: Some things that are quite different on one world line have very little effect as time passes and the world lines appear to “converge” again and look very similar. This is the part where you look for similar events, as several members here have done.

You guys are blowing hot air on the Olympics, considering he was asked about it on his worldline. Titor is very explicit about not knowing our future..... He didn't predict anything about our Olympics, even though it still looks borderline for Beijing, the sh@t can still happen there or here.

In John Titor words....
I have no idea what happens to you in your future.
If I go forward to “your” 2036 now, it would probably look nothing like mine
the longer I am here, the larger that divergence becomes from my point of view.
I don't know any other way to tell you that I am unaware of what happens in the next week.

re22666, he does return home, where do you think he went lol..... Again there is infinite number of world lines that returns a "Titor" to 2036, even on the same worldline he left. You do know there is more than one Titor right? He explained space-time branches off with several Titor's and that they could traverse through them. Plus it's possible to make spacetime trips on his own worldline. Again I'm not defending Titor, it's just maybe you haven't read everything he posted.

syrinx high priest, through out this thread it's been proven that monthly Waco events do happen, did you miss my link above. I don't know who your accusing of twisting the subject, but it's certainly not me. Why are you defending the globalist, they are the ones destroying the ice caps and shredding your rights. They want to depopulate us, bring in a new age doctrine, a NWO....


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Originally posted by imitator


re22666, he does return home, where do you think he went lol..... Again there is infinite number of world lines that returns a "Titor" to 2036, even on the same worldline he left. You do know there is more than one Titor right? He explained space-time branches off with several Titor's and that they could traverse through them. Plus it's possible to make spacetime trips on his own worldline. Again I'm not defending Titor, it's just maybe you haven't read everything he posted.



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i did read it all. and he never once explains how he can return. he offers the idea that he can return as well as the idea that another john titor from another worldline would replace him and so on. ok, how does that retrieve what he was sent to get. and how could he possibly return. according to his theory, each trip creates a NEW world line. that means it is a one way only trip. and if he cannot return, who says that another john titor will show up with what he was sent to get in the original worldine? pretty risky chance dont you think? you gave me the same answer they all do...he said this and that. ok now explain it without contradicting other things he said.

ps. that bent light out the car window experiment photo completely debunks him anyway so why does anyone bother defending him at all. his story is built on and exists on people ignoring the contradictions in logic that HE HIMSELF presents with his own words and pictures.

re22666
Yes each trip creates a NEW world line, we are the left overs from his experience. He could create a new worldline or he could go across them too. He never fully explained how his machine works, but he did say, Yes, worldlines are infinite. Yes, they are separate but can be traversed through certain large gravity anomalies. Anyway with this brief explanation, Titor can return exactly where he left if the lines are transversal. Plus he said, that his machine can quite easily return him to his point of origin. Titor never contradicted himself explaining his return trip, he gave several examples how he could return.

The laser photo proves nothing, it's been debated to death... the laser is bending outside the window, no one knows if there is opposing gravitational field preventing the car from being crushed ext.... If you don't know how the machine works or what kind of gravitational field it is, it can't be debunked. Anyway your going off topic, the corporate feed federal empire is what you should be more worried about.

Originally posted by imitator
re22666
Yes each trip creates a NEW world line, we are the left overs from his experience. He could create a new worldline or he could go across them too. He never fully explained how his machine works, but he did say, Yes, worldlines are infinite. Yes, they are separate but can be traversed through certain large gravity anomalies. Anyway with this brief explanation, Titor can return exactly where he left if the lines are transversal. Plus he said, that his machine can quite easily return him to his point of origin. Titor never contradicted himself explaining his return trip, he gave several examples how he could return.

The laser photo proves nothing, it's been debated to death... the laser is bending outside the window, no one knows if there is opposing gravitational field preventing the car from being crushed ext.... If you don't know how the machine works or what kind of gravitational field it is, it can't be debunked. Anyway your going off topic, the corporate feed federal empire is what you should be more worried about.

it is all in your answer right there. he says he can get back to where he began but does not explain how. the wordlines are transversable, but again, no explanation how. i could care less about the truck being crushed, the fact of the matter is the idea of light bent due to a gravitational field is portrayed incorrectly, that is all. look, he does not explain how he can get back and the idea that he even can is in contradiction to the theory behind his ability to time travel to begin with. you cannot tell me that i am wrong and then back up your point with, "but he does not explain how." right.....
he does not explain how. can you?

folks, you're arguing over the more complex details. Why there are plenty of reasons that Titor isn't true, and there seems to be an unlimited number of people unwilling to accept it....there is a much simplier explanation for why Titor is a hoax. Doesn't it seem a little unbelievable that a society capable of travelling through time thereby harnassing the space-time continuum can't debug some code from a legacy machine? It's simpler to travel back in time than to just debug the code? Come on....

This is my first post ever here? I'm all confused about something with time travel. And this is really weird and more progressive. You know how there would have to be different Yous for different world lines. And you go there to do something some past time to fix the present> and then i go back to the Now period of Time< why would i ever need to time travel because everything is already ok in the now time which means i never left< so would there need to be more than one of me for each world> mean that Time Space is more like a camera or A Never Ending Line of Still Photographs That Can Be Accessed At Anytime???

And this stuff about a 2% divergence. I mean not a lot of things really differ in the world. I can look at people I am related to and I can see which physical attributes come from, so through this process its almost like a replication or like a template which is used over and over. An example of this would be I used to think my old girlfriend was one of a kind but the more girls I saw throughout the years I would pick out people of crowds or on the street that had very similar in faces. And evolution leads us to the fact that all of mankind probably came from an Adam and Eve type deal but not like the bible because these were apes. But then that would sorta mean every time you have relations with another person and have a child you are inbreeding But no one would admit that! So 2% would make a big difference because so much has been copied and so little really exist to make up everything in the universe.

re22666
it is all in your answer right there. he says he can get back to where he began but does not explain how. the wordlines are transversable, but again, no explanation how.

Titor gave several examples, if he where to explain it completely we would be building time machines, wouldn't we? There is no contradiction.

re22666
you cannot tell me that i am wrong and then back up your point with, "but he does not explain how." right.....

Dude, I never said you was wrong. However, I think it is wrong for someone to call it hoax without supporting sufficient evidence.

re22666
he does not explain how. can you?

I did with my above post about worldline being transversal "THAT IS HOW!" I explained it.. If you don't get my point, well then... that is just to bad.

re22666
i could care less about the truck being crushed, the fact of the matter is the idea of light bent due to a gravitational field is portrayed incorrectly, that is all

recreate the gravitational field in Titor's pic, then tell me how it's incorrect... if you factor in the gravitational medium having air and moisture the laser probably will look bent. Titor said, The gravity field also traps a small air pocket around the car

Originally posted by imitator

re22666
he does not explain how. can you?

I did with my above post about worldline being transversal "THAT IS HOW!" I explained it.. If you don't get my point, well then... that is just to bad.

no....explain how they are transversable back and forth. johns theory of time travel creates a NEW worldline with each jump. so how in that is it possible to back track. and do not just say they are transversable. that is not an asnwer. how is it possible within that theory that they are transversable.

you seem to miss the difference between explaining something and repeating the empty rhetoric given in lieu of explanation.

and just for fun. explain this. if john could actually return to his original worldline. then he could go back to any point in that worldline. so he could return before the real him left. then both of the same johns would be in the same worldline at once. now go back to his explanation of time travel and tell me how you resolve this paradox.

re22666

You sure you read everything? Titor has answered those questions... I could break out some Titor quotes if you want...

Again, Titor has already answered this paradox... the natural divergence may stop the experiment when three or four time travelers arrive and the others end up on different worldlines.

Its funny you don't want an answer with intersecting worldlines in it, but you want me to give an answer on how it fits into Titor's theory?...lol, anyway here's one theory.... if a worldline can be traversed into another worldline, it becomes a new worldline parallel to its location... I think your definition of worldlines is a little skewed or one-dimensional and leaving out the parallel universe. Your "just for fun example" is exactly what Titor has done, visited himself... It will always be a new worldline for the traveler, even when he returns back to his exact worldline of origin.

Meanwhile back on topic.... Dick Cheney has threatened Russia over Georgia www.presstv.ir...§ionid=3510203

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Originally posted by imitator
It will always be a new worldline for the traveler, even when he returns back to his exact worldline of origin.

Meanwhile back on topic.... Dick Cheney has threatened Russia over Georgia www.presstv.ir...§ionid=3510203

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right there, you backed up what i said. it is "ALWAYS A NEW WORLDLINE." are you even reading this stuff? this is my problem with the whole story. on one hand, it will always be a new worldline. that makes sense. yet he can cross back over old ones and even return to his original worldline? you cannot have it both ways. if it will always be a NEW one, then they will never return to the old one.