The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
hey roth

what about the 30 months with no wacko events ?
the hawking radiation and the weight of the black holes ?


what about the LHC at cern still not being up ?

can you adress these points individually pretty please ?

[edit on 14-7-2006 by syrinx high priest]

Good Lord, Syrinx you are still here too?

It’s nice to meet you too again!

Your question: what about the 30 months with no wacko events ?

It depends on how you define “Waco type events”….. In terms of Governmental forces against civilians…. As John Titor mentioned it…..I think we are growing deeper into that situation….. but “Waco type events” as an exact copy of it…… no I haven’t seen that yet…. However, as you know, I believe the increasing number of taser deaths in this country and the reasoning away of them, are truly reflecting the exact same spirit back in 1993 when supposedly “non-lethal” weapons and methods of Governmental forces upon a group of people were used, resulting in their deaths.

Furthermore, I believe John Titor provided a definition of how that war (starting in 2004) would be remembered. Let’s say exact copies of Waco type events would start on a monthly base somewhere in 2008….. we would remember them as part of the second US civil war… perhaps even the most significant part…. but looking back... we could trace the initial spark of that conflict…. possibly leading us to 2004…just as historians do not all agree on which event signified the start of World War 2…..

What’s interesting is that John Titor said that “in the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause”….

....part of what's to come..... So let’s see how things will develop…..


Your question: the hawking radiation and the weight of the black holes ?

The existence of Hawking radiation remains controversial. It has never been seen nor tested.

www.iop.org...
Do black holes radiate?
Adam D. Helfer
“The possibility that non-radiating ‘mini’ black holes exist should be taken seriously; such holes could be part of the dark matter in the Universe.”

For anyone who wishes to stay up to date:
space.qj.net...

About the weight of the mini black holes…

John Titor: “The means by which I travel in time is very physical. I require a "machine" to do it. It weighs about 500 pounds and gets quite hot. I do not own it and I did not build it. Within limits, I will be happy to discuss how it works and how "future" science thinks time works.”

So we have a machine here weighing around 500 pounds…. well, according to my calculations that must be roughly a 100 pounds for the entire machine containing 2 spinning and charged micro-singularities massing around 200 pounds each to distort gravity and time around them….. I would say it doesn’t sound impossible to me…


Your question: what about the LHC at cern still not being up ?
The LHC particle accelerator is due to switch on in 2007… are you ready?….

Long Lance: I see only one 2-line post. As to my replies, I was advised to do it that way.

Now you did it... another 2-line post. It's your fault. But you'll be happy; I'm done with this thread for the simple reason I don't see many of the worlds scientists running to see what this charlatan has to offer.
Have fun.......

hey roth,

titor also said the waco events would receive media attention similar to elian gonzales or waco. I can't recall 30 events that recieved such attention.

strike 1

I'll give JT some lee way on the weight of his machine, but the enormous discrepancy between his 500 lbs and an estimate from good old Dr. Browns estimate of a billion metric tons is beyond explanation, with the obvious exception of the fact that he was a hoax.

dr brown rips JT a new one

strike two


the cern LHC was due to go online according to JT in 2001. How do you explain this huge error on his part ? his TM doesn't exist without it, surely the delay on its activation would effect his timeline right ?


strike 3

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
hey roth,

titor also said the waco events would receive media attention similar to elian gonzales or waco. I can't recall 30 events that recieved such attention.

strike 1

I'll give JT some lee way on the weight of his machine, but the enormous discrepancy between his 500 lbs and an estimate from good old Dr. Browns estimate of a billion metric tons is beyond explanation, with the obvious exception of the fact that he was a hoax.

dr brown rips JT a new one

strike two


the cern LHC was due to go online according to JT in 2001. How do you explain this huge error on his part ? his TM doesn't exist without it, surely the delay on its activation would effect his timeline right ?


strike 3

Oh boy, dear Syrinx… next time if you think you strike me…. Please don’t stroke me….. you know….

Your “strike” 1: titor also said the waco events would receive media attention similar to elian gonzales or waco. I can't recall 30 events that recieved such attention.

Well, if you would have read my previous post you already would know the answer:

Your question: what about the 30 months with no wacko events ?

It depends on how you define “Waco type events”….. In terms of Governmental forces against civilians…. As John Titor mentioned it…..I think we are growing deeper into that situation….. but “Waco type events” as an exact copy of it…… no I haven’t seen that yet…. However, as you know, I believe the increasing number of taser deaths in this country and the reasoning away of them, are truly reflecting the exact same spirit back in 1993 when supposedly “non-lethal” weapons and methods of Governmental forces upon a group of people were used, resulting in their deaths.

Furthermore, I believe John Titor provided a definition of how that war (starting in 2004) would be remembered. Let’s say exact copies of Waco type events would start on a monthly base somewhere in 2008….. we would remember them as part of the second US civil war… perhaps even the most significant part…. but looking back... we could trace the initial spark of that conflict…. possibly leading us to 2004…just as historians do not all agree on which event signified the start of World War 2…..

What’s interesting is that John Titor said that “in the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause”….

So again…let’s wait and see what happens….. at least the taser deaths are receiving media attention already…..


Your “strike” 2: I'll give JT some lee way on the weight of his machine, but the enormous discrepancy between his 500 lbs and an estimate from good old Dr. Browns estimate of a billion metric tons is beyond explanation, with the obvious exception of the fact that he was a hoax. dr brown rips JT a new one

Ahhh yes….good old Emmet looking for answers but doesn’t want to hear them…..with all due respect for Dr. Brown…..but he makes the wrong assumption John Titor meant the “mini black holes” were the size of an electron. However, on several occasions Titor said that they were a fraction of the size of an electron:

John Titor
“microsingularities a fraction of the size of an electron…… A singularity about the size of an electron would only require the mass of a large mountain. The singularities inside the C204 are much small than that……the singularity would evaporate. Although it is smaller than an electron, it would still be quite undesirable”……

Poof goes Dr. Brown’s “billion metric tons”….. Furthermore it appears to me Dr. Brown likes his classical physics….. therefore its understandable he might have some difficulties with that final proof in 2036….. that "six dimensions do indeed curl up to give us our observable universe"…..


Your “strike” 3: the cern LHC was due to go online according to JT in 2001. How do you explain this huge error on his part ? his TM doesn't exist without it, surely the delay on its activation would effect his timeline right ?

Oh come on Syrinx…. what’s another year?

Ok…are you really sure that’s what Titor meant to say?…… Or perhaps you failed to see he emphasized they would accidentally create micro-singularities?…… So they must have already created them….yes indeed….. somewhere in 2001, 2002, 2003?…..accidentally…... but they only will be aware of that when the big fat LHC comes on-line and something familiar will unfold in front of their very eyes…… yes…. in 2007……March 14 perhaps?.....be patient my friend….. the “news” will keep you informed…..

www.kek.jp...
Indication of New Physics from the Belle Experiment
August 13, 2003
The High Energy Accelerator Research Organization (KEK) announced that the Belle collaboration, an international research team working at the KEKB accelerator, found evidence for a new phenomenon that cannot be explained by the Standard Model of elementary particles.

The KEKB accelerator is a device for generating a large number of very shortlived subatomic particles called B mesons as well as their anti-matter counterparts. These particles, each with a mass somewhat greater than that of the helium atom, disintegrate after about a few trillionths of a second into lighter and more long-lived daughters, and these decay products are detected by the Belle detector.

John Titor
”However, and as I'm sure you are aware, Stephen Hawking admits that his own equations support the "possibility" that microsingularities may not totally disappear as they evaporate in a sea of virtual particles and in fact may leave behind a very stable naked singularity. I'm sure you can look that up. I suppose the difficult part is believing that we've taken advantage of it, not that it's impossible.”

“There are no missing pieces…just missing energy levels and a few very interesting subatomic particles”

Meanwhile…….there’s WAR in the Middle-East!!!…..exactly as John Titor “predicted” it….. you better stay focused on the rest of the news……on the “part of what’s to come”…...

So interesting.
I've always loved the Titor story, true or not. I'm always holding out to see what matches up and doesn't.
Who cares about discrediting it, we know its flaws and strong points that's all we can do for now. Just sit and wait!
It does seem these events are happening in some way or another just not at the exact times he says they would.
Are there any specific links at to exactly WHAT has occured and hasn't? I'd love to re read it all with todays knowledge.

so roth, your argument hinges on "are you sure that's what he meant to say" and tasers


next


anyone with a case want to try to make JT hold water ?

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
so roth, your argument hinges on "are you sure that's what he meant to say" and tasers


next


anyone with a case want to try to make JT hold water ?

You’ll get used to the empty hands Syrinx……

Oh….by the way……Global Warming has been known for about 25 years…… the ice caps are not melting any faster since then than they are melting now or in 2036……...

I’ll fill you in later about the cancelled Summer Olympics of 2008….

Meanwhile….there’s still a WAR in the Middle East!!!!…..yes.....Titor told you so….and it seems it’s getting worse….

But if you are smart.... you'll know what to do now....

Originally posted by Roth Joint
Meanwhile….there’s still a WAR in the Middle East!!!!…..yes.....Titor told you so….and it seems it’s getting worse….

But if you are smart.... you'll know what to do now....

Come on Roth...get real.
Predicting a war in the middle east is like prediciting it'll rain somewhere on earth today.
When has there NOT been a war in the middle east?

Titor said Israel would be on the defensive and their her neighbors would attack her. That has NOT happened. Have you seen the candid conversations Bush had with his pals? Shows you that western support is NOT wavering like he said. He also said:

In the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause.

Complete opposite of what you're saying.

The Arab countries appear to have weapons of mass destruction. Do they use them against America?

JT: Not against America but they are used against each other.

So Roth, do you agree with Titor that certain Arab nations have weapons of mass destruction and are willing to use them against each other (which makes no sense at all since their goal is to "wipe out Israel")?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Come on Roth...get real.
Predicting a war in the middle east is like prediciting it'll rain somewhere on earth today.
When has there NOT been a war in the middle east?

Can you predict now in this year….. with the present knowledge you have… in the present year (2006) and day you live in… if the United Nations or US ever will allow Israel to use weapons of mass destruction as the ultimate defense, so the Middle East will be a “no armer and no legger” as John Titor predicted it in 2000?………there you go……

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Titor said Israel would be on the defensive and their her neighbors would attack her. That has NOT happened.

Here comes Condi again: "It is extremely important that Israel exercise restraint in its acts of self-defense"………and there you go again…….

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Have you seen the candid conversations Bush had with his pals? Shows you that western support is NOT wavering like he said.

The show must go on eh?...

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

The Arab countries appear to have weapons of mass destruction. Do they use them against America?

JT: Not against America but they are used against each other.

So Roth, do you agree with Titor that certain Arab nations have weapons of mass destruction and are willing to use them against each other (which makes no sense at all since their goal is to "wipe out Israel")?

Interesting ThatsJustWeird……interesting…..what do you think will happen first?…… Israel using weapons of mass destruction as the ultimate defense against their offensive neighbours?…….or the Arab nations using weapons of mass destruction against each other?………you’ll have time to answer till 2008…… (read: “no armer and no legger”).....

Originally posted by Roth Joint
Can you predict now in this year….. with the present knowledge you have… in the present year (2006) and day you live in… if the United Nations or US ever will allow Israel to use weapons of mass destruction as the ultimate defense, so the Middle East will be a “no armer and no legger” as John Titor predicted it in 2000?………there you go……

What?
That hasn't even happened so what in the world are you talking about? You said Titor's prediciton has come true. It hasn't. And no, no one will allow Israel or any other country to use WMDs.

Here comes Condi again: "It is extremely important that Israel exercise restraint in its acts of self-defense"………and there you go again…….

lol
What about what Olmert says.

Sure there have been counterattacks where Israel has had to defend itself, but to say this whole operation is a defensive one is just plain ignorance. Israel has been on the offensive since the begining.

Interesting ThatsJustWeird……interesting…..what do you think will happen first?…… Israel using weapons of mass destruction as the ultimate defense against their offensive neighbours?…….or the Arab nations using weapons of mass destruction against each other?………you’ll have time to answer till 2008…… (read: “no armer and no legger”).....

lol
Titor said that was supposed to happen in 2005 not 2008.
You like pushing stuff off to 2008. Not so clever way of trying to cover up how wrong you are.

And neither will happen.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
You said Titor's prediciton has come true. It hasn't. And no, no one will allow Israel or any other country to use WMDs.

Hello.....It's WAR in the Middle East!!!....so that part of Titor's prediction indeed has come true.....just as Titor predicted it.......and we will see how this war will end......just as Titor predicted it….. can you hear yourself?.....you say there will be NO use of WMD's ever.....oke......now would you still believe this "prediction" from Titor is just one of those many coincidences if WMD's WILL be used?......oh boy.....

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Roth Joint

Here comes Condi again: "It is extremely important that Israel exercise restraint in its acts of self-defense"………and there you go again…….

lol
What about what Olmert says.

Sure there have been counterattacks where Israel has had to defend itself, but to say this whole operation is a defensive one is just plain ignorance. Israel has been on the offensive since the begining.

The URL you provided only confirms Israel will push for the “ultimate defense.” Everyone calls it self-defense…. except ThatsJustWeird and ofcourse Hamas and Hizbollah…. Furthermore I observe wavering Western support…. Here’s a nice one…:

service.spiegel.de...
The US has continually insisted on Israel's right of self-defense, while France has accused Israel of a disproportionate response to the kidnapping of two of its soldiers by Hezbollah.

And another:

www.bloomberg.com...
Bush, while urging Israel not to weaken Lebanon's government, said yesterday that the Jewish state “has a right to defend herself” against attacks by terrorists. A Russian foreign ministry statement accused Israel of using “disproportionate” force against its enemies, and a similar condemnation was issued by the European Union.

And this one:

www.chinapost.com.tw...
Bush early in the day reaffirmed U.S. support for Israel's right to self-defense and refused to ask it to halt its bombing of Lebanon. "Our message to Israel is defend yourself but be mindful of the consequences, so we are urging restraint," he said. He did not back Lebanese calls for an immediate truce.

Though all the G-8 leaders have condemned the actions of Hizbollah guerrillas, France has said Israel's military response is disproportionate and Russia's Vladimir Putin said Israel appeared to be "pursuing other, wider goals".

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Roth Joint
Interesting ThatsJustWeird……interesting…..what do you think will happen first?…… Israel using weapons of mass destruction as the ultimate defense against their offensive neighbours?…….or the Arab nations using weapons of mass destruction against each other?………you’ll have time to answer till 2008…… (read: “no armer and no legger”).....

lol
Titor said that was supposed to happen in 2005 not 2008.
You like pushing stuff off to 2008. Not so clever way of trying to cover up how wrong you are.

And neither will happen.

Ofcourse Titor never said it would happen in 2005. But I know you like talking nonsense. And you still haven’t answered my question:
What do you think will happen first?…… Israel using weapons of mass destruction as the ultimate defense against their offensive neighbours?…….or the Arab nations using weapons of mass destruction against each other?………you’ll have time to answer till 2008…… (read: “no armer and no legger”)

When the people reach a point that they feel they have little left to lose,...this will be the time to watch the undercurrents as to whether a civil war maybe on the horizon.

The powers that be in this country can continue to repeat how well the economy is doing, but the millions who have, or are sliding into poverty will not/do not buy the 'catapulting of propaganda'. They can see that they are being reduced to poor lives while those who were entrusted to look out for the interests of the people vote themselves yet another salary hike. While at the same time we have a growing class called the working poor...no matter how hard they work, nor how many multiple jobs they hold down, they are still poor.

45 million people who can not get the medical care they need due to the rising costs of both health care AND the insurance to cover it (that they can no longer afford to have it), are aware that those who were entrusted to look out for the best interests of the people can afford the very best health care available, while the people pay for what they cannot have for their own families.

If the reader is fortunate enough to still be doing o.k., then good for you...pray that it will last because it could change in the blink of an eye, as it has for millions.

However, if the present trend continues, it is not unthinkable that those who are becoming desperate could do desperate things.

mkanejeeves.com...

Is this the worst Congress ever? Yes, it is. Think about what both houses are doing right now. The Middle East is exploding. Afghanistan is going down the tubes. Iraq is so far down the tubes, their recently-elected government is face to face with the Tidy Bowl Man. The deficit is soaring. People are losing jobs. The stock market is plummeting. Oil is grasping at the $80 per barrel mark. Violent crime is rising across America. So, what are they doing?

They’re coming down hard on flag burning, gay marriage and internet gambling.

Yes, they are.

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Originally posted by Roth Joint

Hello.....It's WAR in the Middle East!!!....so that part of Titor's prediction indeed has come true.....just as Titor predicted it.......and we will see how this war will end......just as Titor predicted it….. can you hear yourself?.....you say there will be NO use of WMD's ever.....oke......now would you still believe this "prediction" from Titor is just one of those many coincidences if WMD's WILL be used?......oh boy.....

1. It's BEEN war in the ME. There has been war there for the past 60 years!!!
The way Titor predicted jews and arabs being engaged in war is NOT what's happening now. If I say a hurricane will hit Florida and a hurricane hits Texas instead, that does not mean my prediction is right.

The URL you provided only confirms Israel will push for the “ultimate defense.” Everyone calls it self-defense…. except ThatsJustWeird and ofcourse Hamas and Hizbollah….

From my link, one of the first sentences:

In his first public address since the start of Israel's offensive in Lebanon last week

Why did you completely skip the rest of what I said. Typical of you.

Furthermore I observe wavering Western support…. Here’s a nice one…:

lmao!!
You have no idea about politics do you?
Of course they're going to say that stuff in public, but as I pointed out earlier and from unknown open mics, when it comes right down to it, Israel has all the support it needs. Why do you think no one has stopped it yet?

Ofcourse Titor never said it would happen in 2005. But I know you like talking nonsense.

lol please show me where he said it would happen in 2008!!!!!!

And you're partly right.
I forgot. The West was supposed to collapse in 2005.
Oops

How and why do the Arabs Jews become entangled in the civil war of the U.S.A?

JT: They are not directly involved but political situations are dependant on Western stability, which collapses in 2005.

And you still haven’t answered my question:
What do you think will happen first?…… Israel using weapons of mass destruction as the ultimate defense against their offensive neighbours?…….or the Arab nations using weapons of mass destruction against each other?………you’ll have time to answer till 2008…… (read: “no armer and no legger”)

I did answer your question. If you had bothered actually reading my post you would see that. I said neither. The Arab nations have no reason to use them on each other. And Israel can beat any nation in that region in a conventional war. They don't need WMDs.

Now answer my questions:
Show me where Titor said that would happen in 2008
Why haven't Israel's neighbors attacked like Titor said a war would start?
Why are you ignoring this: "the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause."
lol, Why are you focusing on this now? This thread is supposed to be about the Civil War. Where is this civil war?

John says the civil war leads to the world war in 2015. The civil war lasts for ten years?

JT: It's 2004. I apologize for a missed key

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Roth Joint

Hello.....It's WAR in the Middle East!!!....so that part of Titor's prediction indeed has come true.....just as Titor predicted it.......and we will see how this war will end......just as Titor predicted it….. can you hear yourself?.....you say there will be NO use of WMD's ever.....oke......now would you still believe this "prediction" from Titor is just one of those many coincidences if WMD's WILL be used?......oh boy.....

1. It's BEEN war in the ME. There has been war there for the past 60 years!!!
The way Titor predicted jews and arabs being engaged in war is NOT what's happening now. If I say a hurricane will hit Florida and a hurricane hits Texas instead, that does not mean my prediction is right.

Your hurricane analogue is sweet, but not correct. The way this war in the Middle East is developing itself is exactly how Titor “predicted” it. Hizbollah is offensive and attacking Israel with missiles. Israel is defending itself against what they call terrorists. These are the facts.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
The URL you provided only confirms Israel will push for the “ultimate defense.” Everyone calls it self-defense…. except ThatsJustWeird and ofcourse Hamas and Hizbollah….

From my link, one of the first sentences:

In his first public address since the start of Israel's offensive in Lebanon last week

Why did you completely skip the rest of what I said. Typical of you.

You make no sense…… read my previous posts and stop ridiculing yourself. Every Western politician calls Israel’s so called “offensive” an act of self-defense.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
You have no idea about politics do you?
Of course they're going to say that stuff in public, but as I pointed out earlier and from unknown open mics, when it comes right down to it, Israel has all the support it needs.

Personal attacks won’t help here ThatsJustWeird. We will see HOW it comes right down to it…. as Titor “predicted” it…right now the news facts are telling me there’s wavering Western support for Israel.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Why do you think no one has stopped it yet?

Because one believes Israel is very capable of defending itself from its offensive Arab neighbours…… just as Titor “predicted” it…..and according to Titor this will eventually lead to the “ultimate defense.”

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Ofcourse Titor never said it would happen in 2005. But I know you like talking nonsense.

lol please show me where he said it would happen in 2008!!!!!!

You are making a thinking error. Titor said: "The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over."
Well….when the “ultimate defense” has ended as well as Arab countries are fighting with eachother….one could say the world we thought we were living in is over.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
And you're partly right.
I forgot. The West was supposed to collapse in 2005.
Oops

You are twisting Titor’s words again…..as you are trying to twist facts…….Titor said Western stability would collapse in 2005…..and it indeed has……

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Roth Joint
And you still haven’t answered my question:
What do you think will happen first?…… Israel using weapons of mass destruction as the ultimate defense against their offensive neighbours?…….or the Arab nations using weapons of mass destruction against each other?………you’ll have time to answer till 2008…… (read: “no armer and no legger”)

I did answer your question. If you had bothered actually reading my post you would see that. I said neither. The Arab nations have no reason to use them on each other. And Israel can beat any nation in that region in a conventional war. They don't need WMDs.

Well, at least you have answered my question now. Let’s wait and see how Titor’s early “prediction” in 2000 will unfold itself in the years ahead of us…..

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Now answer my questions:
Show me where Titor said that would happen in 2008

Again, you are making a thinking error. Titor said: "The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over."
Well….when the “ultimate defense” has ended as well as Arab countries are fighting with eachother….one could say the world we thought we were living in is over.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Why haven't Israel's neighbors attacked like Titor said a war would start?

What are you talking about? Hizbollah IS attacking Israel.

today.reuters.co.uk...
G8 calls on Hizbollah to stop attacking Israel
Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:35 PM BST
ST PETERSBURG, Russia (Reuters) - Group of Eight leaders called on Hizbollah guerrillas on Sunday to free captured Israeli soldiers and immediately halt attacks on Israel to end an upsurge in Middle East violence.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Why are you ignoring this: "the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause."

I never said it would be the cause… that’s what you are trying to make of it. But it will most definitely be “a part of what’s to come”……..

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
lol, Why are you focusing on this now? This thread is supposed to be about the Civil War. Where is this civil war?

John says the civil war leads to the world war in 2015. The civil war lasts for ten years?

JT: It's 2004. I apologize for a missed key

Like I said before….. I believe John Titor provided a definition of how that war (starting in 2004) would be remembered. Let’s say exact copies of Waco type events would start on a monthly base somewhere in 2008….. we would remember them as part of the second US civil war… perhaps even the most significant part…. but looking back... we could trace the initial spark of that conflict…. possibly leading us to 2004…just as historians do not all agree on which event signified the start of World War 2…..

Originally posted by Roth Joint
Your hurricane analogue is sweet, but not correct. The way this war in the Middle East is developing itself is exactly how Titor “predicted” it. Hizbollah is offensive and attacking Israel with missiles. Israel is defending itself against what they call terrorists. These are the facts.

lol
Titor said Israels neighbors would go on the offensive. That has NOT happened. ISRAEL has gone on the offensive against it's neighbor. Lebanon is it's neighbor. Hezbollah is a terrorists group, not a country

You make no sense…… read my previous posts and stop ridiculing yourself. Every Western politician calls Israel’s so called “offensive” an act of self-defense.

This does not negate the fact the Israel is on the offensive. They are the ones who sent ground troops into their neighbors territory persuing the terrorists who took their soldiers. It's a war. Look at when the US invade Iraq, as they begin their campaign there were time when they had to defend themselves. Does that mean they were defensive? No!
Man, you seriously have no clue as to how things work do you?

Also, if the west is calling it self defense, and every in the west supports self defense....then you're just further proving that western support is not wavering.

Personal attacks won’t help here ThatsJustWeird.

Was that a joke?
Where did I personally attack you? By saying you have no idea about politics? That's not a personal attack, lol!! It's the truth (until you show otherwise).

Because one believes Israel is very capable of defending itself from its offensive Arab neighbours…… just as Titor “predicted” it…..and according to Titor this will eventually lead to the “ultimate defense.”

I'm afraid of what you'll do to yourself when everything doesn't happen as Titor predicted it.
You're so obsessed with trying to make him be right, you're losing your grip on reality.

[You are making a thinking error. Titor said: "The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over."

He was talking about the US and the civil war!
lol

Well….when the “ultimate defense” has ended as well as Arab countries are fighting with eachother….one could say the world we thought we were living in is over.

I know you're not going to answer this, but I'll ask it anyway.
Why would the Arab countries fight each other if Israel just used a WMD against them? They all have one common goal now. That's to wipe out Israel. If Israel uses a WMD against them, that would only stengthen their resolve, so please tell me why they'll wipe out each other instead?

You are twisting Titor’s words again…..as you are trying to twist facts…….Titor said Western stability would collapse in 2005…..and it indeed has……

If stability collapsed that would mean the west has collapsed.
But I'll play along lol

Tell me the date in which stability collapsed.
Tell us why we haven't been affected by this collapse yet. If you say we have been, tell us how.
Tell us which countries were most affected by this collapse and which countries weren't.

What are you talking about? Hizbollah IS attacking Israel.

But Israel's neighbors are not.
And if they do they would be quickly wiped out conventionally. The countries in that region do not need WMDs used on them to take them out.

I never said it would be the cause… that’s what you are trying to make of it. But it will most definitely be “a part of what’s to come”……..

lol, Yes you are. You're saying all of this will lead to ___, ___, and ___.
That's not what Titor said.
Your quote was "when the “ultimate defense” has ended as well as Arab countries are fighting with eachother….one could say the world we thought we were living in is over"
Titor didn't say the ME war would lead to use believing the world we're living in is over. He said the Civil War would do that. See how you're trying to twist his words to fit your agenda?



And Titor said there would be riots because of the 2004 eletions. He said that things would be progressively worse in 2004. He said that by 2008 it'll be on everyone's doorstep. We're in 2006, which means it should be at least on half the people's doorstep. He said it would be war and he gave HIS definition of what "war" meant. He's been wrong with EVERY single thing so far. Why are you so obsessed with defending a proven hoaxer? Once 2008 comes and still nothing he's predicted has happen will you further push back the date or will you finally admit Titor is a proven hoax?

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In answer to the question about the collapse of Western stability...
it is in the process of collapsing as you read this post.

www.nonesoblind.org...

The international order is breaking apart before our eyes, largely because the world's leading nation has been badly led.

The deterioration of the geopolitical system has become even more visible with the new outbreak in the long-simmering Arab-Israeli conflict.
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeirdTitor said Israels neighbors would go on the offensive. That has NOT happened. ISRAEL has gone on the offensive against it's neighbor. Lebanon is it's neighbor. Hezbollah is a terrorists group, not a country

Deny ignorance.

Can you do that for me ?


Hezbollah is a terrorist group supported (not only) by a country called Iran.

Now, can you tell me what does Iran think of Israel? See the point?

If you can't see between the lines, you really can't understand what the # is happening on the Middle East.

Originally posted by DrExtravaganza
Deny ignorance.

Can you do that for me ?


Hezbollah is a terrorist group supported (not only) by a country called Iran.

Now, can you tell me what does Iran think of Israel? See the point?

If you can't see between the lines, you really can't understand what the # is happening on the Middle East.

What the "#" are you talking about?
I'm talking about Titor's predictions in this Titor thread.

Umm..yeah Iran supports the Hezzies. So does Syria. That's not what we're talking about and I never once said they didn't.
Iran hates Israel with a passion (and I'm sure Israel hates Iran with a passion). They always have. Is that what you wanted to hear?

What's happening in the ME? A war. They have been in a near constant state of war for decades.

Ok now that we got all that out the way, can we get back to Titor?


Shadow:
No where in that link does it show which countries are now unstable. It showed that not all countries agree on certain issues. That's GREAT. I fear the day when everyone just goes along with the flow not questioning anything.
Also, all of that was someone's opinion not backed by credible facts or sources. Why should I believe him over some who says B? Or someone who says C?

Defensive armies go on offensives all the time, usually in order to break the offensive army's lines or supply chain. I.E. the Battle of the Bulge.

Israel is, in fact, acting defensively in this war. They are reacting to cross border attacks from Hezobollah, who are maintained by Iran and Syria. Eventually Syria is going to be pulled into this and we'll see the real fireworks fly.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Shadow:
...all of that was someone's opinion not backed by credible facts or sources. Why should I believe him over some who says B? Or someone who says C?

No offense intended TJW, but I have read this entire thread as well as other Titor threads, and I have seen your posts. When it comes down to believing you or this author, then I'll go for this author.

If my links are not acceptable to you then please feel free to pass them on by, but be aware that there are others reading this as well and they may wish to see them.

As for your 'required proof', ... well that could end up coming from a grassroots level and neither the main stream media nor the government will be telling you about it until it's already knocking on your door.

A wise person should watch for themself and not need to 'take someone elses word' for it.

You will believe whatever you wish, and everyone else will exercise the same option.
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