Republicans unload on Trump for Syria shift

a reply to: Irishhaf

But Trump is sending troops to Saudi Arabia, right? The folks that murdered and dismembered a Journalist working for an American outlet.

Trump Sending Troops To Middle East After Attack On Saudi Oil Facilities
www.npr.org...

Gotta have priories.

Meanwhile:

Turkey unleashes airstrikes against Kurds in north-east Syria
www.theguardian.com...

originally posted by: Scepticaldem

originally posted by: fleabit
Not sure why people think Trump's "bury our head in the sand" strategy is a sound one. Withdrawing everywhere? Basically saying FU to all other countries, including allies, with the policy of "We'll only do something if it benefits us." It's all fun and games until all other countries do the same in return. We are not so all-powerful that we can simply dismiss the rest of the planet and live a sheltered hermit-life in the United States. Close all borders! Allow no one in! Remove all troops everywhere! Screw all treaties and pacts and allies if they don't directly benefit us!

That's a fools plan. And now apparently they are looking at removing the open skies treaty, which only benefits Russia.

Trump's brilliant plan seems to be two parts. 1. Have the United States withdraw into a turtle shell that ignores the rest of the world. And 2. Undo literally anything Obama enacted, whether it makes sense to do it or not.

Turkey gave us the heads up they were going to attack.

Would you have preferred that Trump left American troops there during an attack?

WTF? No Erdogan would not and had not attacked as long as US Troops were present.

He literally called and asked (aka easily manipulated) Trump to go against all of his advisers and pull out American Troops so Turkey could get on with the slaughter of our allies.

It is an insane, horrific and disgusting betrayal of our allies and it is not just "Dems" that are saying that.

And BTW - The Kurds were running the Prisoner camps with thousands of captured ISIS fighters who will now scatter and regroup.

So not only has Trump made an enemy of the Kurds that survive, but thousands of ISIS prisoners get freed.

Just insane.

a reply to: tanstaafl

why that's easy, there is 1 thing driving the kurds and it has been driving them for more years than I can conveniently count (since about 3 different dates are listed), and that desire is an independent Kurdish nation.


The problem is the rest of the ME kind of hates them because over the years they were some vicious mountain fighters that routinely raided the "more civilized" low land areas, as well as the normal issues with religious differences.

So the only way they will ever have a realistic chance is to have a wealth patron to keep them supplied and shield them from the UN type intervention, or to have said wealthy patron conquer an area and give them their independence from Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey.

I wonder how many Trump supporters were fully on board and in agreement with Trump when he said:

President Erdogan, he’s tough, but I get along with him. And maybe that’s a bad thing, but I think it’s a really good thing. Because, frankly, he wanted to wipe out — he has a big problem with the Kurds, as everyone knows. And he had a 65,000-man army at the border, and he was going to wipe out the Kurds, who helped us with ISIS. We took out the caliphate. We have 100 percent of the caliphate. And I called him and I asked him not to do it. They are, I guess, natural enemies of his or Turkey’s. And he hasn’t done it. They were lined up to go out and wipe out the people that we just defeated the ISIS caliphate with, and I said, “You can’t do that.”

Hmm... I bet all of his supporters were A-OK with that statement. I can imagine them saying "Yea, Trump sticks by his allies!" And now, just literally 4 or so months later, he just abandons them. But to be fair, I imagine Trump by now completely forgot he even made that statement. He pretty much just makes it up as he goes, I imagine a lot of it is easy to forget.

a reply to: fleabit

trump supporter here screw the turks but sadly this is just a continuation of us policy on selling out the kurds after they have been very usefull to us ,hopefully the biparisan sanctions bill ripps into turky over this like i get it give trump crap for this but don't some blame belong to the turks for you know bombing an ethnic minority that has been oppressed by every one for the last 40 years ? and what is he to do? attack turkish forces you know the 2nd largest army in nato? its loose loose but he is being a jack ass about it ,i very much want our troops home from the middle east but would have preferred we helped the kurds this time instead of screwing them over again like we have since the carter administration

originally posted by: jjkenobi
So stay in other countries and fight = warmonger neocon

Bring troops home = cowardly stain on America


Yeah sure, keep up the good work.

It's more about how trump went about it. Pulling out quickly after talking with Turkey's president. Dismantling defenses as anogher user said. Not trying to set up some pathway for kurdish-turkey peace.

Im all for getting troops out of the ME, but this is just a bad move. Why the hell did we spend millions and cause tons of civilian deaths in Syria just to pull out and let turkey rampage the kurds?

And somehow pulling out of syria = a win for removing all troops in the ME?

Lots of naive trump sheeple on ATS.

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: Irishhaf

But Trump is sending troops to Saudi Arabia, right? The folks that murdered and dismembered a Journalist working for an American outlet.

Trump Sending Troops To Middle East After Attack On Saudi Oil Facilities
www.npr.org...

Gotta have priories.

Meanwhile:

Turkey unleashes airstrikes against Kurds in north-east Syria
www.theguardian.com...

4-D chess duhhh....

Glad there is still some sanity on ATS.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
So the only way they will ever have a realistic chance is to have a wealth patron to keep them supplied and shield them from the UN type intervention, or to have said wealthy patron conquer an area and give them their independence from Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey.

Or they can choose to stop being radical militant assholes and join with Assad/Syria and start living their lives instead of fighting for some pipe dream they will never get. They have far less chance of ever having their own State than Palestine, and they don't have much of a chance.

US Spec-Ops soldier in Syria: 'I am ashamed for the first time in my career'
thehill.com...

a reply to: Extorris

Yes , We Need MORE Dead American Soldiers in Deliberate Endless Unwinnable Wars to Justify Our Evil Agenda .........Hey " Deep State " , GFY's...........

a reply to: tanstaafl

which Kurdish group are radical militant assholes?


The ones in Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Iran??


Each group does operate independent of each other even though the end goal is the same you do know that right?

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Extorris

Yes , We Need MORE Dead American Soldiers in Deliberate Endless Unwinnable Wars to Justify Our Evil Agenda .........Hey " Deep State " , GFY's...........

By Deepstate you mean Trump? who just sent American Soldiers to Saudi Arabia to protect the Kings Oil for him?

GFY to anyone that cheers abandoning soldiers who fought for us and took Raqqa from ISIS when we asked them to.

Trump sure as hell took credit for the spent blood and lives by the Kurds.

Trump can rot in hell for this.

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad

Who will stand beside and fight with the USA the next time we ask them to?

I hope nobody because the next time we fight it should be on our own turf. I only support war if they attack our homeland and if our homeland is attacked I don't want European and ME allies flying in my skies and dropping bombs.

So you think wars magically only start once you are invaded? Genius.. What about pre-emptive strikes on people you know are building up to attacking you? What about protecting American assets abroad? Attacks on the homeland don't always originate from the homeland do they. Good luck with finding out these things with your intelligence forces now though.. what's that I hear? Oh, it's the sound of thousands of doors being shut.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: tanstaafl
which Kurdish group are radical militant assholes? The ones in Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Iran?? Each group does operate independent of each other even though the end goal is the same you do know that right?

All of them - but I actually couldn't care less.

Again...

WE. HAVE. NO. BUSINESS. THERE. IN. THE. FIRST. PLACE.

Period.

a reply to: tanstaafl

The same day US troops are 'accidentally' bombed by Turkey, Trump says he's sending 1,800 troops to the UAE.

Funny how money will affect the presidents decisions.

originally posted by: LurkinNoMore
Of all the reasons to go after Trump of course its potentially removing Americas global policing effort that they are disappointed with.

7 hrs ago

1,50 0 additional US troops to be deployed to Saudi Arabia

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: tanstaafl

The same day US troops are 'accidentally' bombed by Turkey, Trump says he's sending 1,800 troops to the UAE.

Funny how money will affect the presidents decisions.

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: tanstaafl

The same day US troops are 'accidentally' bombed by Turkey, Trump says he's sending 1,800 troops to the UAE.

Funny how money will affect the presidents decisions.

Your comment lacks clarity - meaning,m I have no clue what you mean.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: tanstaafl

The same day US troops are 'accidentally' bombed by Turkey, Trump says he's sending 1,800 troops to the UAE.

Funny how money will affect the presidents decisions.

Your comment lacks clarity - meaning,m I have no clue what you mean.

I would recommend diversifying your news sources.

Meaning the murdering Prince of Saudi Arabia thinks actual fighting is beneath his people and told trump to ship him some American Soldiers.

It is especially outrageous given the trillions in Military Aid and bleeding edge military technology we have given Saudi Arabia over the years. They have everything any country could imagine to defend themselves, except they don't want to risk any of their own soldiers when they can just ask Trump to send Americans.

RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia’s king and crown prince have approved the deployment of additional U.S. troops and equipment, after an attack last month on the kingdom’s oil facilities, state news agency SPA reported on Saturday.

The United States announced a deployment of about 3,000 troops to the Gulf state, including fighter squadrons, an air expeditionary wing and air defense personnel, amid heightened tensions with Saudi’s arch-rival Iran.

www.reuters.com...

Catch this?

The deployments mean the Pentagon has increased the number of forces in the U.S. Central Command area of responsibility by approximately 14,000 since May. That comes as the department has emphasized the need to adhere to the National Defense Strategy, a document that explicitly calls for drawing down in the CENTCOM region in order to refocus resources towards China and Russia.

www.defensenews.com...

Trump is doing the OPPOSITE of the National Defense Strategy "a document that explicitly calls for drawing down in the CENTCOM region in order to refocus resources towards China and Russia."

And sending MORE troops to the Middle East.

Pentagon sends new wave of troops to Saudi Arabia
www.politico.com...