Republicans unload on Trump for Syria shift

a reply to: Fools

damn, i just went to rhodes wiki. he started debeers diamonds, but that was funded by the r0thschilds. and then some guy named 0ppenheimer.

'they' seem to have a lot of control in the world, over the very expensive industries.

and yeah, all the wars are fought for them.

a reply to: Extorris

Nope just what I said we are not the first to screw them won't be the last.
Due to politics we will never do what we should with the Kurds.

Also we never should have been in Syria, period.

We should strongly support the Kurds in Iraq and let them provide direct support to their cousins in Syria.

Perpetual war is a good thing now? The MIC must be happy.

originally posted by: dantanna
a reply to: Fools

damn, i just went to rhodes wiki. he started debeers diamonds, but that was funded by the r0thschilds. and then some guy named 0ppenheimer.

'they' seem to have a lot of control in the world, over the very expensive industries.

and yeah, all the wars are fought for them.

He started the worlds most expensive cult. There are true believers in almost all the upper class because they are indocrinated starting the day they are born. When certain people not born into it reach some certain level of success then they are recruited if possible and blackmailed into the game if not pliable (pissagate anyone? NXIVM anyone?) They are so super wealthy that even when they do horrible things their lawfare protects them. And, they are all at heart true believers that socialism will save the planet. To me I find it most funny that the rabble of the planet buys into their nonsense.

Very funny and very tricky.

My personal thought is that Trump was never subverted and that is why he is hated so thoroughly. He is the first REAL threat to them since their inception(s).

originally posted by: highvein

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: LurkinNoMore
a reply to: Fools

Swing and a miss.

But hey, if thinking I'm "DNC" makes you sleep better for disagreeing with you or not liking some of Trumps decisions go for it.

I mean, I don't see you ever calling out the swath of pro-Trump accounts each day, including the prominent ones brazenly posting from Russia with Russian memes

I have been around here quite some time. I would say that I "know" the personalities here that are pro-Trump pretty well and I can say with much confidence that most of them were never really "toe the line" political people. You have been here for a very short time (posting) and pretty much all you do is post negative crap about Trump. It seems to be your mission.

And he's gone. lol

Where?

a reply to: Extorris

its like no one knows any history at all about this sadly the usa has a LONG history of screwing over the kurds going back to ford administration dosent make it right that trumps doing it too but the media seems to be running with the theme that this is the first time the usa has pulled the rug out from under the kurds

newrepublic.com...

U.S. geopolitical engagement with the Kurds began in earnest in the mid-1970s. The Americans and Israelis had brokered a deal with the Shah of Iran to permit the establishment of a large autonomous Kurdish enclave in Northern Iraq, which could help antagonize Saddam Hussein’s regime in Baghdad. (The Kurds had already rebelled against Iraq several times in the 1960s, conflicts that left tens of thousands dead and made refugees of hundreds of thousands more.) But, as The New Yorker’s Dexter Filkins has noted, the Shah and Hussein struck a peace deal in 1975, and the new Kurdish stronghold was ultimately left unprotected. The Iraqi army immediately sent the Kurds to ground. This tragedy, Filkins wrote, left an indelible mark: The name of Henry Kissinger—who as Gerald Ford’s secretary of state and national security advisor oversaw the U.S.’s disengagement—“is known, and reviled, by nearly every Kurd.” The Kurds’ de facto leader later wrote an unnerving lament to Ford’s successor, President Jimmy Carter: “I could have prevented this calamity which befell my people,” he said, “had I not fully believed in the promise of America.”

goes on to talk about bush the first /regan doing it

then to clinton and bush the 2nd doing it www.independent.co.uk...

The US launched missile attacks on southern Iraq yesterday to punish Baghdad for Saddam's armoured attacks in Kurdistan. But Mr Barzani said that the missile attack was "just part of President Bill Clinton's election campaign". Looking tense and tired after a weekend in which his forces collaborated with Baghdad to capture the Iraqi Kurdish capital of Arbil, Mr Barzani said his faction had become impatient with empty US promises to assist Kurdish autonomy. "We are angry with America. For two years the Americans have been playing with us," he told a news conference at his hilltop headquarters at Salahuddin, just outside Arbil.

obama pulled out too but his red line was suposed to protect the kurds

time.com...

Kurds Welcome U.S. Help in Iraq, But Remember History of Betrayal

ive said it before in pretty much every thread on the kurds here they are like a beaten dog hoping this time the master stops hitting them and locking them out in the cold . but i guess we wait to see what turky does over this and the new pending sanctions to turkey over this

www.usnews.com... guess now were not pulling out troops least per the white house

The U.S. is not removing its forces from Syria in the face of a Turkish incursion, said the official, speaking on the condition of anonymity. Rather, the president ordered roughly 50 special operations troops in northern Syria to relocate to a different part of the country after he learned that Turkey has planned an offensive against U.S.-backed Kurdish forces in Syria. The official said that offensive had not yet begun.

think this makes the 3rd headline today that changed within hours

1 trumps taxes getting released then not released

2 trump pulling troops out of syria then just moving 50

3. i saw something that the scotus ruled against the gop on gerrymandering but then it appears they did not

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Oh good, now we can get back to war being bad again.

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

this is why the "madela effect" thingy is believed.


you see news in the morning, go to work and come home and the news is the opposite of this morning

what the heck????? 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤞

ETA: not to mention the folks pissing and moaning all day about how President Trump is an idiot for getting folks out of the way of danger.

But, they know better IM🍑! IM🍑!

a reply to: thedigirati

think its more into the cried wolf territory ,least the taxes thing happened then was overruled by a different judge but its getting redicluous at this point with all the retractions that have happened in the past 3 years

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

That Link story is very muddy with an unofficial source and if it was correct it would mean that Trump is lying to everyone, Erdogan, the US, everyone and it is dangerous to say Troops have been withdrawn and then not do it, that is how US soldiers get bombed.

The WH needs to be clear on what they are doing or have done.

originally posted by: RalagaNarHallas
a reply to: thedigirati

think its more into the cried wolf territory ,least the taxes thing happened then was overruled by a different judge but its getting redicluous at this point with all the retractions that have happened in the past 3 years

Taxes - Trump attorneys appealed and got a temporary stay while the 2nd District Court reviews the decision.

Gerrymandering? I didn't see any news on this today.

As far as troop pull out - Your source is far from clear or public. It is an named official saying stuff, but not being clear.

a reply to: Extorris

www.bloomberg.com... fXLdgK8KdPlg-qvi2L_0ho6pJnT591Enfu_sVbKs7acOBtbzY8k here is the gerrymandering one

The U.S. Supreme Court tossed out a lower court ruling that would have required Ohio’s congressional voting map to be redrawn to be less favorable to Republicans. The move is part of the fallout from the high court’s decision in June insulating partisan gerrymanders from constitutional challenges. A three-judge panel had thrown out a GOP-drawn Ohio map under which Republicans have won 12 of the 16 congressional seats in each of the last four elections.

on the unamed source part yeah not a fan of them but half of the allegations against trump have come from "un named sources" so i would not hang your hat on that one

on taxes its gonna end up before scotus as i think the lower courts have had their shot
www.apnews.com...

In his later remarks, Trump asserted that American troops in Syria are not performing useful work. They are, he said, “not fighting.” They are “just there,” he said. Among the first to move were about 30 U.S. troops from two outposts who would be in the immediate area of a Turkish invasion. It’s unclear whether others among the roughly 1,000 U.S. forces in northeastern Syria would be moved, but officials said there was no plan for any to leave Syria entirely.

sucks for the kurds though but part for the course on us foreign policy regarding them since the 1970s . i think they deserve a state but no way the Turks allow that and with the Turks being a NATO ally kind of sadly sums up why it has not been allowed to happen for over 30 years

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Looks like Trump is now trying to walk it back, after all the GOP backlash.

Dems must be the pro-war party. Glad Trump is bringing our men & women home.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Havent heard anyone say they were coming home, moving south of the border area more likely.

You got a link to that info?

a reply to: LurkinNoMore

Not really thread related, just casual observation. 59 posts in a single day, who has that kind of time? Slow day at work or is this your work?

a reply to: Extorris

Trump is being unfriended a lot lately.

Methinks some sitting in the right want him impeached, he is painting the party in bad light, it's no van Gogh in the Republican party ATM.

But nope, Trump is the government, screw the party members and their concerns. Somebody needs to hand him his rattle and sippy cup to distract him.

Turkish president, Erdogan, cleared the way for Trump tower Istanbul in April. Last week he told Trump that he was going to attack the Kurdish forces in Syria. Not ISIS, not the Taliban, not Hezbollah. The Kurds, our allies.

Our allies, who helped defeat the ISIS caliphate and saved countless American lives in the last decade. Trump just sold them out for a building with his name on it.

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

That Link story is very muddy with an unofficial source and if it was correct it would mean that Trump is lying to everyone, Erdogan, the US, everyone and it is dangerous to say Troops have been withdrawn and then not do it, that is how US soldiers get bombed.

The WH needs to be clear on what they are doing or have done.

Certainly it couldn't be the screwy MSM making all these mistakes purposely. Using unofficial sources can really mess with the facts of the matter.

We never should have went into Syria to begin with, but thats's another can of worms. Withdrawal is good when it is coordinated, and not spontaneous. There are reasons why we have advisers and people in positions of power to help make decisions when they're of this magnitude.