Republicans unload on Trump for Syria shift

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Love your avatar

Do you know irony?

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Don't care what my avatar looks like. It's a picture. One that's probably changed since I put it there about 5 yrs ago. Any other questions?

originally posted by: Irishhaf
It shames me to say but not the first time we stabbed them in the back, Bush senior was the first one I was aware of to do so and every admin since has hung them out to dry.
ETA: also if you are only outraged now, you have either been under a rock, asleep or might be partisan in your views.

Or, maybe, they are playing us for fools to get as much money and military equipment they can, then complain about being back-stabbed when we get tired of being played.

I honestly don't know, but one thing I do know, if the MSM narrative is 'we are abandoning and stabbing them in the back', then the reality is likely to be very different.

Anyone who thought that disentangling ourselves from all of these pointless and endless wars would be easy, and without consequences, was just kidding themselves.

Bottom line: we should do everything we can to prevent something bad from happening, but we should also get our people out of there - and not just Syria. We have no business there, or anywhere else in the middle-east.

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Off-topic, but thank you for that link. That SCOTUS news is a continuation of an earlier ruling maybe a month ago and applies to all gerrymandering cases nationwide. It might appear like the news "changed" but it was a court appeal and a reversal of a prior lower court ruling. The bottom-line is that SCOTUS ruled that while state maps might be gerrymandered for political partisan purposes, the Fed doesn't have legal authority to tell states how to draw their maps, partisan or not.

States can insert clauses into their state constitutions if they want to change it. I'd have to look closer, but I also believe under that reasoning SCOTUS would let a state supreme court ruling stand as well whatever the decision.

To avoid thread drift, perhaps make a separate thread on that topic.

originally posted by: links234
Turkish president, Erdogan, cleared the way for Trump tower Istanbul in April. Last week he told Trump that he was going to attack the Kurdish forces in Syria. Not ISIS, not the Taliban, not Hezbollah. The Kurds, our allies.

Our allies, who helped defeat the ISIS caliphate and saved countless American lives in the last decade. Trump just sold them out for a building with his name on it.

Trump when running for President

"I have a little conflict of interest, because I have a major, major building in Istanbul...It's called Trump Towers. Two towers, instead of one. Not the usual one, it's two. And I've gotten to know Turkey very well."

www.latimes.com...

IVANKA TWEET THANKING TURKEY'S ERDOGAN FOR ATTENDING ISTANBUL TRUMP TOWERS LAUNCH RE-EMERGES AMID SYRIA CONTROVERSY
www.newsweek.com...

Good for Trump.

So, Trump just tweeted his continued support of the Kurds with money and weapons.

He also tweeted that Turkey, whether we like it or not, is a major trading partner and part of NATO.

I may not like it, but it is what it is.

We voted for less wars, right? Well then...

a reply to: Extorris

>>> If Trump is pulling out of Syria, then he's smarter and has more courage than I gave him credit for. The globalist's want us in there to overthrow the country and to take it over. They created ISIS to that end and we've been bringing their cronies over here before the shooting starts. Those aren't christian refugees or even refugees you see waddling around in our stores wearing flip flops and riding the scooters in our grocery stores with their families in tow. Those are friendlies to the state dept. that turned on their government and now need to be fed and housed. Run that gas pipeline through Syria and take over the banks. All they had to do was arm a few terrorists and sell that BS to the american people that we're being threatened. I think Trump is pissed at the impeachment coup attempt so he's giving some payback.

Not sure why people think Trump's "bury our head in the sand" strategy is a sound one. Withdrawing everywhere? Basically saying FU to all other countries, including allies, with the policy of "We'll only do something if it benefits us." It's all fun and games until all other countries do the same in return. We are not so all-powerful that we can simply dismiss the rest of the planet and live a sheltered hermit-life in the United States. Close all borders! Allow no one in! Remove all troops everywhere! Screw all treaties and pacts and allies if they don't directly benefit us!

That's a fools plan. And now apparently they are looking at removing the open skies treaty, which only benefits Russia.

Trump's brilliant plan seems to be two parts. 1. Have the United States withdraw into a turtle shell that ignores the rest of the world. And 2. Undo literally anything Obama enacted, whether it makes sense to do it or not.

originally posted by: fleabit
Not sure why people think Trump's "bury our head in the sand" strategy is a sound one. Withdrawing everywhere? Basically saying FU to all other countries, including allies, with the policy of "We'll only do something if it benefits us." It's all fun and games until all other countries do the same in return. We are not so all-powerful that we can simply dismiss the rest of the planet and live a sheltered hermit-life in the United States. Close all borders! Allow no one in! Remove all troops everywhere! Screw all treaties and pacts and allies if they don't directly benefit us!

That's a fools plan. And now apparently they are looking at removing the open skies treaty, which only benefits Russia.

Trump's brilliant plan seems to be two parts. 1. Have the United States withdraw into a turtle shell that ignores the rest of the world. And 2. Undo literally anything Obama enacted, whether it makes sense to do it or not.

Turkey gave us the heads up they were going to attack.

Would you have preferred that Trump left American troops there during an attack?

Hillary did and you saw how that went down....

originally posted by: fleabit
Not sure why people think Trump's "bury our head in the sand" strategy is a sound one. Withdrawing everywhere? Basically saying FU to all other countries, including allies, with the policy of "We'll only do something if it benefits us." It's all fun and games until all other countries do the same in return. We are not so all-powerful that we can simply dismiss the rest of the planet and live a sheltered hermit-life in the United States. Close all borders! Allow no one in! Remove all troops everywhere! Screw all treaties and pacts and allies if they don't directly benefit us!

That's a fools plan. And now apparently they are looking at removing the open skies treaty, which only benefits Russia.

Trump's brilliant plan seems to be two parts. 1. Have the United States withdraw into a turtle shell that ignores the rest of the world. And 2. Undo literally anything Obama enacted, whether it makes sense to do it or not.

This dude wants war with Turkey!

He has no idea why they would have attacked the Kurds or what has happened over the last 2 weeks. But he probably was told by Rachel Maddow that we should be at WAR in Syria for some reason!

Is that where we are at now? Political divisions lead to people dying in countries you will never visit?

WOW

This is why I love Zero Hedge, despite their incessant economic doom porn. Because they are one of the few media outlets who will report on something like this:

Syrian Kurds Say 'Partnership' With Assad Or Russia Likely If Turkey Invades

As we predicted in the wake of the White House's late Sunday announcement that “Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria” and that American troops will withdraw from the "immediate area" — this will ensure that the United States' Kurdish proxies in Syria, now in Erdogan's cross hairs, will quickly do a deal with "the devil we know" — that is, come under the protection of Assad and the Syrian Army.

On Monday the commander of the US trained and armed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), Mazlum Abdi, indicated just that in a bombshell statement. “We are considering a partnership with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, with the aim of fighting Turkish forces,” he said.

This is goal of pulling US troops out. They're forcing the Kurds to accept Syrian government rule. Note that Turkey has been preparing an "imminent invasion" for about a year now. Much like Adam Schiff's evidence, this invasion always seems to be just over the next hill, out of sight. Eventually, if the Kurds don't deal, it will happen, but what everyone really wants is to return the status quo that existed before the Arab Spring and ISIS swept in and destabilized Syria.

Trump is obviously getting tired of waiting and is forcing the situation by withdrawing US troops.

originally posted by: Scepticaldem

originally posted by: fleabit
Not sure why people think Trump's "bury our head in the sand" strategy is a sound one. Withdrawing everywhere? Basically saying FU to all other countries, including allies, with the policy of "We'll only do something if it benefits us." It's all fun and games until all other countries do the same in return. We are not so all-powerful that we can simply dismiss the rest of the planet and live a sheltered hermit-life in the United States. Close all borders! Allow no one in! Remove all troops everywhere! Screw all treaties and pacts and allies if they don't directly benefit us!

That's a fools plan. And now apparently they are looking at removing the open skies treaty, which only benefits Russia.

Trump's brilliant plan seems to be two parts. 1. Have the United States withdraw into a turtle shell that ignores the rest of the world. And 2. Undo literally anything Obama enacted, whether it makes sense to do it or not.

Turkey gave us the heads up they were going to attack.

Would you have preferred that Trump left American troops there during an attack?

Hillary did and you saw how that went down....

Not only did trump betray the Kurds but our Nato allies who we're also fighting ISIS. That wasn't the actions of "great and unmatched wisdom" but the actions of a fool, opening up another ME power play.

I don't think our one time allies will trust America as long as bonespurs is in the WH with a cut and run strategy.

Who honestly gives a crap about the kurds until the media tells them to? I care about our people and getting out of stupid conflicts. The kurds can figure their own stuff out without us holding their hands.

originally posted by: Lucky109
Who honestly gives a crap about the kurds until the media tells them to? I care about our people and getting out of stupid conflicts. The kurds can figure their own stuff out without us holding their hands.

Have you read the actual news or just look at headlines?
America aren't leaving Syria, just the northern part where the Kurds were.
People care about other people by the way, sociopaths don't.

a reply to: contextual I understand we aren't leaving right now, but that seems to be the plan for the future. I'm not sure what your reply is about.

And no, you wouldn't care if the tv didn't tell you to. These people are not any allies I would want. They are scumbags.

a reply to: tanstaafl

We have asked them multiple times to goto war and each time they have run to assist us and we have just turned and walked away with little warning each time.


They might be one of the few groups in the ME that have been honest (for the me) in their dealings with us.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: tanstaafl

We have asked them multiple times to goto war and each time they have run to assist us and we have just turned and walked away with little warning each time.

So, you have to ask yourself, why? Why would they keep agreeing to work with us if we keep stabbing them in the back?

They might be one of the few groups in the ME that have been honest (for the me) in their dealings with us.

No, something isn't right about this.

What Colonel MacGregor says makes sense. Did you even listen?

originally posted by: contextual

originally posted by: Lucky109
Who honestly gives a crap about the kurds until the media tells them to? I care about our people and getting out of stupid conflicts. The kurds can figure their own stuff out without us holding their hands.

Have you read the actual news or just look at headlines?
America aren't leaving Syria, just the northern part where the Kurds were.
People care about other people by the way, sociopaths don't.

You are so correct, so whyhave the Democrats not done something about the Border?

Oh right you are to busy trying with 🍑🍬 that you cannot get any legislation done.

you are also corrcet that is shows they are sociopaths, the fact that YOU are more worried about

"over there" says more about YOU and the USA.