If Trumps actually impeached.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: CthruU
Well if only he could get on with it instead of constantly defending baloney you might see what you seek.

You saying this weak ass pussy can only do one thing at a time?

You might want to add a clarification of whom you were posting about .
I could post a "yes" and add several up arrows....

originally posted by: Gothmog
You might want to add a clarification of whom you were posting about .

The very big-brained genius in the title.

If Trumps actually impeached.

We all get a hall pass straight from the Declaration of Independences, and THROW off such gubberment.

From Russia with Love to who wants to be a Ukranian.

Screw the haters.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Gothmog
You might want to add a clarification of whom you were posting about .

The very big-brained genius in the title.

Better.
And I am glad you see the light of reason.

originally posted by: CthruU
If trumps actually impeached the following will happen very shortly after -
...snip...
Somehow we the people must stop this impeachment from succeeding.

There is zero chance of the Senate convicting.

The chance that the House votes to impeach is only slightly higher than zero.

A few corrections...

originally posted by: CthruU
3) DJT is neither a student of history, nor is he a constitutional scholar. He is NOW a totally new variety of politician of sorts because he HAS to be. But he probably hates this fact, as WINNING is much harder to do in the political arena, even when using his tried and true "playing rough" tactics. Using such, he was able to win the Presidency, but once in office...not so, or as much. Entrenched interests, federal regulations/oversight, and socially expected presidential conduct ALL ... for good, ill or indifferent... mitigate and/or stand in the way of his tactics and efforts.

Still with me?

I see this one very differently. He IS winning, brilliantly, and doing so in spite of the "entrenched interests, federal regulations/oversight, and socially expected presidential conduct ALL" you mention.

He is winning daily, and no, I'm not tired of it yet.

Lacking true and habitual knowledge of the regulations, mores and folkways of the political world AND counting on his tried and true tactics may well have made him step on a constitutional landmine. At the time of the Ukrainian calls, having just won the Russia inquiry (Mueller's testimony) battle, may have emboldened him; leading him to, in newly found, but also in constitutional ignorance...set the land mine himself. I doubt you could TRICK him into doing so, or to manipulate him.

Nope... this is just one more of a whole lot of nothing-burgers served up by the MSM and the dems in Congress.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
A few corrections...

originally posted by: CthruU
3) DJT is neither a student of history, nor is he a constitutional scholar. He is NOW a totally new variety of politician of sorts because he HAS to be. But he probably hates this fact, as WINNING is much harder to do in the political arena, even when using his tried and true "playing rough" tactics. Using such, he was able to win the Presidency, but once in office...not so, or as much. Entrenched interests, federal regulations/oversight, and socially expected presidential conduct ALL ... for good, ill or indifferent... mitigate and/or stand in the way of his tactics and efforts.

Still with me?

I see this one very differently. He IS winning, brilliantly, and doing so in spite of the "entrenched interests, federal regulations/oversight, and socially expected presidential conduct ALL" you mention.

He is winning daily, and no, I'm not tired of it yet.

Lacking true and habitual knowledge of the regulations, mores and folkways of the political world AND counting on his tried and true tactics may well have made him step on a constitutional landmine. At the time of the Ukrainian calls, having just won the Russia inquiry (Mueller's testimony) battle, may have emboldened him; leading him to, in newly found, but also in constitutional ignorance...set the land mine himself. I doubt you could TRICK him into doing so, or to manipulate him.

Nope... this is just one more of a whole lot of nothing-burgers served up by the MSM and the dems in Congress.

Thanks for the thoughts, man. I will say that I am not a fella who cooks or eats "nothing burgers", regardless of who cooks them or how they are prepared. And note, too that there is a brilliant Impossible Burger joke in here somewhere. Ah, digression.

I am interested to hear your thoughts on my idea that perhaps McConnell or other establishment GOP may vote to impeach if it gets to the Senate. Given what we objectively know (not what what the ego may hope for) about Mitch...who himself just voted as part of a unanimous block to demand the whistle blower report... what do you think he might do and what happens if he, as I believe is POSSIBLE, Plays the role of Brutus (et tu, Brute) ?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: CthruU
If trumps actually impeached the following will happen very shortly after -
...snip...
Somehow we the people must stop this impeachment from succeeding.

There is zero chance of the Senate convicting.

The chance that the House votes to impeach is only slightly higher than zero.

Objectively, you are probably right about the Senate.

Probably.

See my earlier suggestion about the quintessential
establishment man McConnell. He is worth keeping an eye on.

Relative to the House of Reps (or HORS, if you prefer), I am in objective and utter disagreement, my good man. Pelosi may be a number of #ty things, but she's cagey and politically shrewd. She will have a simple majority. It will be JUST LIKE Clinton in 1998.

Most likely, hes impeached in the HORs , but cleared by the Senate where 2/3 is needed to remove. This is unless Mitch is sharpening his shiv surreptitiously, which is something to consider.

Mitch is just as shrewd and cagey as Pelosi. He may prefer to deal with Pence. Note also that his wife is now under investigation. Maybe Mitch is being pressured? I dunno. It's worth consideration is all.

originally posted by: SparkyMcBurny
a reply to: CthruU

I'm something of a lurker. I dont post too often. But this situation calls for such. I may even create my own, which I have maybe done once?

Anyway, here is my take; let's look at what we know, the facts that we should be able to agree with.. even if agreement is by degree, and not total.

1) Trump was born into wealth, and his upbringing demonstrated that there were rich folks (elite), those who wanted to join the rich elites (upper & upper middle classes), commoners (middle & working classes) who serve the elites through labor of various sorts, and of course, the poor & destitute, who are often looking to receive "help" at the expense of everyone else in the form of social services, paid for via tax revenue at the federal, state, and local levels.

Are we good so far?

2) As a businessman, he has a demonstrable history of success, as well as a history "playing rough" having been guided by Ray Cohn. These tactics allowed DJT to often sidestep inconvenient regulations and guidance mostly at local levels, which helped him build something of an elite empire. He loves WINNING.

Are we still good? I would think so.

3) DJT is neither a student of history, nor is he a constitutional scholar. He is NOW a totally new variety of politician of sorts because he HAS to be. But he probably hates this fact, as WINNING is much harder to do in the political arena, even when using his tried and true "playing rough" tactics. Using such, he was able to win the Presidency, but once in office...not so, or as much. Entrenched interests, federal regulations/oversight, and socially expected presidential conduct ALL ... for good, ill or indifferent... mitigate and/or stand in the way of his tactics and efforts.

Still with me?

4) DJT is a a proverbial "creature of habit"; a man who does what he wants, when he wants. Period. Paradoxically, he is also stunningly unpredictable, due in part to the mentoring of Cohn.

Hmm? I believe that the above points are indeed points that we can all agree with. Sure there is far more that one could say, but THESE points are, to pardon a pun unimpeachable.

I believe that given who he is, how he was brought up, how he was mentored/how he achieved successes and his penchant for embracing habits, often in unpredictable ways has led us to this moment in history. Trump STILL IS WHAT HE IS. The above are points (which by themselves) are some of the characteristics that IMO inarguably define him. This is true regardless of what can be said about his opponents, critics and the potential forces behind them; of which there are many.

Lacking true and habitual knowledge of the regulations, mores and folkways of the political world AND counting on his tried and true tactics may well have made him step on a constitutional landmine. At the time of the Ukrainian calls, having just won the Russia inquiry (Mueller's testimony) battle, may have emboldened him; leading him to, in newly found, but also in constitutional ignorance...set the land mine himself. I doubt you could TRICK him into doing so, or to manipulate him.

In the end. he may have, like Icarus flown too close to sun. The wax in Trump's wings having been formed by his nature, his life/business experience and his use of tried and true tactics.

It is fair to CONSIDER that he may have just screwed up.

I think this is a reasonable take... I might add, that Trump has a soft spot for tradesmen and blue collar workers... because these are people he interacted with his whole career, and he certainly met some good decent folks. Not all... the trades and construction industry has plenty of thugs, especially in NYC and environs.

The other thing I'll add, is in comparison to the kinds of things Presidents certainly do while in office, the issue with his remark to Ukraine President, barely even register on the radar.

Hell, we already know that the CIA and FBI recruited at least 3 nations to interfere in the 2016 election (to trigger the "Foreign" in the FISA application allowing surveillance), and that doesn't count the Russians who were in Putin's orbit, that Christopher Steele paid for dirt on Trump. (Just the facts... but not a defense if he has mistepped.)

I think trump does misstep, for many of the reason you outlined. He's just not a politician, so he steps on lines he shouldn't now and then. He shoots from the hip, when he should take more time, and actually AIM.

I do think if somehow they manage to get him out of office, it will be a DISASTER for the nation... and for American workers especially, if it derails the Trade reforms Trump is trying to get done.

originally posted by: SparkyMcBurny
Given what we objectively know (not what what the ego may hope for) about Mitch...who himself just voted as part of a unanimous block to demand the whistle blower report... what do you think he might do and what happens if he, as I believe is POSSIBLE, Plays the role of Brutus (et tu, Brute) ?

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! 40 years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes! The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

(to keep in spirit of the Original Post)

Impeach him. I'll fight for red, we all know from the first civil war Democrats (the slave party) can't handle a good old fashioned fight, whether it be with fists or bullets.

This whole situation has actually made me a Republican and I've spent half my life hating everything about the two party system.

But what the democrats are doing today is worthy of treason. No other leader in the world has had to deal with the amount of BS Trump has had to deal with, and all of them were/are VASTLY more corrupt.

This is not good for our country. And it leads to war. Just because a bunch of weird sensitive people lose an election they turn into rabid cult leaders. And then there's a bunch of morons acting like they're smart, but too stupid to see the attempted Coup by their party.

I'm damn near convinced this is some sort of psyop to usher in a one party system, or something. Like the media isn't even hiding how corrupt they are. This is not good for our kids. Be tribal on sport fields, keep that # out when the future of your kids are at stake. This nation has single handedly changed the world and created many great things, and now radicals want to turn this nation into a dumpster fire because they didn't get their way.

If Trump is actually impeached, and is booted out of office. . . . .

I'm working for the socialists because clearly they are in power and I'm turning in each and every one of you here so I can get the extra slab of cheese when I'm in line for water allocations.

If Trump is actually impeached nothing is gonna happen. It takes 67 votes in the Senate to actually remove him from office. That won't happen, and he'll win in a landslide in 2020.

Democrats, including the leftists here who pretend to not be leftists but constantly post left-wing talking points: YOU NEED TO GET OVER THE ELECTION. You really, really, really need to get over the election. Hillary lost. She lost fair and square. She lost because she didn't campaign effectively and she was a terrible candidate. YOU NEED TO GET OVER IT. IT'S OVER. Grow. The. #. Up. You are absolutely destroying the Democrat party. Independents are sick of this nonsense. Grow up. You can't always get what you want. You have another chance in 2020. That's the way our system works.

a reply to: face23785

originally posted by: CthruU
If trumps actually impeached the following will happen very shortly after -

- The stockmarket will crash like never seen before.
- Oil supplies will cease.
- Currency in USA primarily will be less valuable than toilet paper - with other western nations following closely there after.
- Civil war will be unavoidable if we don't want to be oppreseed beyond comprehension.
- China, Russia, Iran and cronnies will invade/attack western world with malicious intent.
- Real climate change due to nuclear fallout will devastate/cripple the planet initiating earthquakes of unimaginable magnitude.

Trump is the glue that is stopping these dominos from falling.

Somehow we the people must stop this impeachment from succeeding.
This is no longer just politics - it is our freedom and lifes, are we going to stand by and allow this to happen to the only bloke in power in the last 4 decades who actually has humanity's best interests at heart and the smarts to keep them at arms length?

Will whatever you're smoking cure the common cold? I'd like some if it will, I haven't coughed like this in a long time.

- The stockmarket will crash like never seen before.

There would be considerable impact, but I don't know "like never before". Pence will likely continue most of the same policies.

- Oil supplies will cease.

I don't see a single reason why this would happen.

- Currency in USA primarily will be less valuable than toilet paper - with other western nations following closely there after.

Again, no particular reason why this would happen. It isn't like the currency is backed with Trump Gold.

- Civil war will be unavoidable if we don't want to be oppreseed beyond comprehension.

Who is the rebelling side, and who is going to finance and support them? And why is the Impeachment and removal of Trump and the installation of Pence the thing that is the one unforgivable?

- China, Russia, Iran and cronnies will invade/attack western world with malicious intent.

They already do that.

- Real climate change due to nuclear fallout will devastate/cripple the planet initiating earthquakes of unimaginable magnitude.

It sounds like you have a bunker you are itching to live in. Why not start today?

a reply to: CthruU

-ANY Democrat Holding Public Office will have to Run for their Lives . The UNION Demands It ........

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: CthruU

Seems like you're giving potus too much credit. The world will end if trump is impeached? I think not...

If our entire system crashes and burns because one potus is impeached then we have a really weak system.

Not sure what your prediction is based on but it seems very silly.

I certainly hope your right, i think most here aren't recognising his achievement and its true implications(tall poppy syndrome) but if you take the time to look back at his meetings with Putin or rocket man it's plain as day from their mannerisms that they like him, i mean for F- sake the new Hungarian head honcho is even defending him publicly. No other president has had such backing internationally.

The systen crashes as the eastern powers are really hopeing he's going to turn usual rhetoric and more importantly behaviour around but if he's outed its more than likely back to the usual types and all hope is lost for the east, China at the moment is no doubt hating him as per usual western hatred hence their placement of 5000 troops in iran but with Putin cooling their heels they cannot act unless they all act together, i believe Putin won't engage unless our system proves itself to be reoccuring.

Lets be honest - All his predecessors would have flattened iran by now with all the issues this year and China is saying with the 5000 - go on give us a reason attack iran and put our troops in harms way.

Trumps resistance to engage all throughout this years events is the only reason this list hasn't been well underway so far.

You can take that to the bank.

This is what forms the basis of the list.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
A few corrections...

originally posted by: CthruU
3) DJT is neither a student of history, nor is he a constitutional scholar. He is NOW a totally new variety of politician of sorts because he HAS to be. But he probably hates this fact, as WINNING is much harder to do in the political arena, even when using his tried and true "playing rough" tactics. Using such, he was able to win the Presidency, but once in office...not so, or as much. Entrenched interests, federal regulations/oversight, and socially expected presidential conduct ALL ... for good, ill or indifferent... mitigate and/or stand in the way of his tactics and efforts.

Still with me?

I see this one very differently. He IS winning, brilliantly, and doing so in spite of the "entrenched interests, federal regulations/oversight, and socially expected presidential conduct ALL" you mention.

He is winning daily, and no, I'm not tired of it yet.

Lacking true and habitual knowledge of the regulations, mores and folkways of the political world AND counting on his tried and true tactics may well have made him step on a constitutional landmine. At the time of the Ukrainian calls, having just won the Russia inquiry (Mueller's testimony) battle, may have emboldened him; leading him to, in newly found, but also in constitutional ignorance...set the land mine himself. I doubt you could TRICK him into doing so, or to manipulate him.

Nope... this is just one more of a whole lot of nothing-burgers served up by the MSM and the dems in Congress.

Not my post champ.

originally posted by: SparkyMcBurny
I am interested to hear your thoughts on my idea that perhaps McConnell or other establishment GOP may vote to impeach if it gets to the Senate. Given what we objectively know (not what what the ego may hope for) about Mitch...who himself just voted as part of a unanimous block to demand the whistle blower report... what do you think he might do and what happens if he, as I believe is POSSIBLE, Plays the role of Brutus (et tu, Brute) ?

Anything is possible, and I certainly wouldn't put it past one or two of the RINOs still in the Senate, but I personally think they know that it would be the end of their political career, and likely wouldn't, unless they were planning on retiring anyway.