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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: CthruU
Clinton was impeached.
originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: CthruU
I think most of the things on your list will happen anyway.
originally posted by: SparkyMcBurny
a reply to: CthruU
I'm something of a lurker. I dont post too often. But this situation calls for such. I may even create my own, which I have maybe done once?
Anyway, here is my take; let's look at what we know, the facts that we should be able to agree with.. even if agreement is by degree, and not total.
1) Trump was born into wealth, and his upbringing demonstrated that there were rich folks (elite), those who wanted to join the rich elites (upper & upper middle classes), commoners (middle & working classes) who serve the elites through labor of various sorts, and of course, the poor & destitute, who are often looking to receive "help" at the expense of everyone else in the form of social services, paid for via tax revenue at the federal, state, and local levels.
Are we good so far?
2) As a businessman, he has a demonstrable history of success, as well as a history "playing rough" having been guided by Ray Cohn. These tactics allowed DJT to often sidestep inconvenient regulations and guidance mostly at local levels, which helped him build something of an elite empire. He loves WINNING.
Are we still good? I would think so.
3) DJT is neither a student of history, nor is he a constitutional scholar. He is NOW a totally new variety of politician of sorts because he HAS to be. But he probably hates this fact, as WINNING is much harder to do in the political arena, even when using his tried and true "playing rough" tactics. Using such, he was able to win the Presidency, but once in office...not so, or as much. Entrenched interests, federal regulations/oversight, and socially expected presidential conduct ALL ... for good, ill or indifferent... mitigate and/or stand in the way of his tactics and efforts.
Still with me?
4) DJT is a a proverbial "creature of habit"; a man who does what he wants, when he wants. Period. Paradoxically, he is also stunningly unpredictable, due in part to the mentoring of Cohn.
Hmm? I believe that the above points are indeed points that we can all agree with. Sure there is far more that one could say, but THESE points are, to pardon a pun unimpeachable.
I believe that given who he is, how he was brought up, how he was mentored/how he achieved successes and his penchant for embracing habits, often in unpredictable ways has led us to this moment in history. Trump STILL IS WHAT HE IS. The above are points (which by themselves) are some of the characteristics that IMO inarguably define him. This is true regardless of what can be said about his opponents, critics and the potential forces behind them; of which there are many.
Lacking true and habitual knowledge of the regulations, mores and folkways of the political world AND counting on his tried and true tactics may well have made him step on a constitutional landmine. At the time of the Ukrainian calls, having just won the Russia inquiry (Mueller's testimony) battle, may have emboldened him; leading him to, in newly found, but also in constitutional ignorance...set the land mine himself. I doubt you could TRICK him into doing so, or to manipulate him.
In the end. he may have, like Icarus flown too close to sun. The wax in Trump's wings having been formed by his nature, his life/business experience and his use of tried and true tactics.
It is fair to CONSIDER that he may have just screwed up.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: CthruU
Clinton was impeached.
Nixon quit before Congress had a chance.
originally posted by: GBP/JPY
Impeached just means goes to trial.....not kicked out of office though.....
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: CthruU
Trump is the glue that is stopping these dominos from falling.
No he isn't, Trump is transient, just like every one of his predecessors.
originally posted by: CthruU
If trumps actually impeached the following will happen very shortly after -
- The stockmarket will crash like never seen before.
- Oil supplies will cease.
- Currency in USA primarily will be less valuable than toilet paper - with other western nations following closely there after.
- Civil war will be unavoidable if we don't want to be oppreseed beyond comprehension.
- China, Russia, Iran and cronnies will invade/attack western world with malicious intent.
- Real climate change due to nuclear fallout will devastate/cripple the planet initiating earthquakes of unimaginable magnitude.
Trump is the glue that is stopping these dominos from falling.
Somehow we the people must stop this impeachment from succeeding.
This is no longer just politics - it is our freedom and lifes, are we going to stand by and allow this to happen to the only bloke in power in the last 4 decades who actually has humanity's best interests at heart and the smarts to keep them at arms length?