Everything that exists has a soul, i mean really!?

a reply to: TerryDon79

Throwing Jim Jones name around doesn't help your case about whether or not souls exist. Implying it led to mass suicide shows you can't be bothered delving deeper into it. But that's par for the course whenever you jump into spiritual subjects; why is that?



www.freedommag.org...

Contrary to what is popularly reported in the media, the FBI files document the Peoples Temple as a mainstream religious congregation, with statements on behalf of the group by a range of political figures including Senators Walter Mondale, Hubert Humphrey, Henry Jackson, Sam Ervin Jr., Warren Magnuson and Mike Gravel, Congressmen Philip Burton, Ron Dellums and Don Edwards, Congresswomen Bella Abzug and Patsy Mink.


The papers demonstrate wide support for the organization. Actress and activist Jane Fonda wrote: “I also recommit myself to your congregation as an active full participant—not only for myself, but because I want my two children to have the experience.”


They also show its leader, Jim Jones, as a respected minister of the Disciples of Christ, the Protestant church of former President Lyndon Johnson and millions of other Americans.


And they show that while the church underwent a long period of harassment, surveillance and infiltration at the hands of government intelligence agents, these intensified once the group, founded in Indiana, relocated to San Francisco, and particularly after its headquarters moved to Guyana.


Indeed, in 1977 and 1978 came anonymous threats against the Peoples Temple, accompanied by random acts of violence against group members. It was in late 1977 that heavy pressure began on Ryan to visit Jonestown—pressure which built to a crescendo shortly before he agreed to go. Those pushing him to take action against “cults” included psychologist Margaret Singer, while others, among them Tim Stoen, a former member and top aide to Jim Jones with alleged ties to the CIA, pressured Ryan to visit Jonestown. (See “The Real Cult,”.)

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Mass Murder
Although many others lost their lives on November 18, 1978, according to Dr. C. Leslie Mootoo, then chief medical examiner of Guyana, the overwhelming majority of the deaths at Jonestown were murders, not suicides.

Dr. Mootoo, the government’s top pathologist and the first physician on the scene,told Freedom that many had died from injections of cyanide.

originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: TerryDon79

Again, I already explained why I said my philosophy was superior. I won't repeat myself to you, I explained it already and you are not properly addressing that explanation. I made the explanation in my previous post, so you should look at my reply to you and answer that.

It’s superior because you said it’s superior.

Just like every other cult.

originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: TerryDon79

Again, I already explained why I said my philosophy was superior.

Wow, thats a first

Don't mind me though, im just reading through the comments at the moment. But never heard anything like that before... WOW!

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Throwing Jim Jones name around doesn't help your case about whether or not souls exist. Implying it led to mass suicide shows you can't be bothered delving deeper into it. But that's par for the course whenever you jump into spiritual subjects; why is that?

You are exactly right... He is not using logical reasoning and is instead using appeals to emotion to try to support himself.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

If you’d have bothered to read what I typed, you would have seen it wasn’t in reference to souls.

But hey ho, I don’t expect anything out of ATS these days.

originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Throwing Jim Jones name around doesn't help your case about whether or not souls exist. Implying it led to mass suicide shows you can't be bothered delving deeper into it. But that's par for the course whenever you jump into spiritual subjects; why is that?

You are exactly right... He is not using logical reasoning and is instead using appeals to emotion to try to support himself.

Actually, kid. I was using the Jim Jones case to show YOU how dangerous cults can be.

I guess staying in school wasn’t a priority for you.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Are you going to continue using the c-word? You are really not helping your stance by saying that.

I won't repeat myself again.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Actually, kid. I was using the Jim Jones case to show YOU how dangerous cults can be.

You are really pushing these associations that are not relevant to the discussion to try to support yourself.

I guess staying in school wasn’t a priority for you.

Now you are throwing insults at me? This is a blatant assumption and does not mean anything.

originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: TerryDon79

Are you going to continue using the c-word? You are really not helping your stance by saying that.

I won't repeat myself again.

Yes. You’re a part of a religious cult.

And not exactly a new one at that. Someone just took bits from a few new agey religious crap and mixed it all together and said “LOOK! I’m woke!”

a reply to: SourceTruth

YOU’RE complaining about insults? The same kid who said to others on this forum they don’t have souls?

Seriously kid. Go get laid. Have a beer. Grow up a bit. Have some damn fun!

originally posted by: XXXN3O

originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: TerryDon79

Again, I already explained why I said my philosophy was superior.

Wow, thats a first

Don't mind me though, im just reading through the comments at the moment. But never heard anything like that before... WOW!

Well, it's not a first for me because I have had to repeat this statement several times to someone who doesn't want to be reasonable with me.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: SourceTruth

YOU’RE complaining about insults? The same kid who said to others on this forum they don’t have souls?

Seriously kid. Go get laid. Have a beer. Grow up a bit. Have some damn fun!

I did not say that to people during a normal discussion, I only said that as a response to them insulting me.

You are insulting me in what is supposed to be a civil discussion.

I don't need to do any of those things that you considered "fun" because they are really just traps.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: SourceTruth
a reply to: TerryDon79

Are you going to continue using the c-word? You are really not helping your stance by saying that.

I won't repeat myself again.

Yes. You’re a part of a religious cult.

And not exactly a new one at that. Someone just took bits from a few new agey religious crap and mixed it all together and said “LOOK! I’m woke!”

What do you know about spiritual topics? You have not demonstrated any knowledge on spiritual topics.

For you to say this shows your ignorance.

a reply to: SourceTruth

You know what kid? I don’t care. You grow up to be alone and boring.

One last closing remark before I leave this boring thread.

Your YouTube guru? Might want to check out some details about her.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: SourceTruth

You know what kid? I don’t care. You grow up to be alone and boring.

One last closing remark before I leave this boring thread.

Your YouTube guru? Might want to check out some details about her.

This is where you give up because you have no more responses against my responses. You were never interested in discussing this topic deeper, you only wanted to tell me that I was wrong. This is where you have lost the argument.

There are no details that I find wrong with my "youtube guru".

a reply to: SourceTruth

You keep saying you have already proven things you have not proven. You basically called me soulless. Where is your proof I am soulless? Why can I not be a "source player"? Where is your proof you have a soul and are some special "source player"? And again, I'm not going to stop masterbating to find the answer.

a reply to: SourceTruth

So I read through some of your replies as genuinely interested.

I can prove I have a soul because I have hidden knowledge about the matrix and how you can escape.

Explain? Which others have asked too.

I already have, because I have proven that I am connected to source through the knowledge I have shared which comes from source.

Words do not prove a connection with anything other than words themselves. I mean, if you can quote a reference to proven words backed by something historical or fact based in some form at the least, that might be different of course.

This is what happens when you try to claim that all human beings are conscious souls, you start to have to ascribe consciousness as a property of an object such as the brain, and you can then extend this to other objects. This is what leads you to wrong conclusions, so because of this, then it must be true that not everyone has a soul in order to avoid this.

Ok... so... from what you are saying, having a brain does not mean you have a conscious mind/soul? Same thing or something else? Can you clear that up a bit? Thanks.

But I have proved it through the unique knowledge I have given that I am connected to source.

The knowledge I am talking about applies only to source players (the souls). Those are the ones that it can be proven to. The rest are simply soulless ones so it cannot be.

This is right. What the original poster is describing in his original post is that all humans have a spirit, but this is not the same as all humans having a soul

I hope that other members will try to participate in this discussion, but from what I have seen there are too many of them that just want to clash with you.

We will start by deconstructing the idea that everyone has consciousness.
What is it that makes a human being conscious? That is what we will start with.

The reason I share that info is because it is a hundred percent truth

Look, this is quite a jump here from my perspective at the moment, please explain the difference between consciousness, soul and spirit at the least from your perspective. Without further explantion there can be no debate and if that is the case I could just go around in life saying nope your an NPC and anyone that agrees with me is real.

With respect, you cannot just claim others are attempting to clash because you switch points of view (without explantion) when challenged. That is the whole point of a debate

Sometimes you lose and sometimes you win, any person that is comfortable with themselves and views will not feel hurt by it. Whole point of this site is to engage discussion for crying out loud.

Chill and would appreciate a bit more info.

Cheers

originally posted by: Lucky109
a reply to: SourceTruth

You keep saying you have already proven things you have not proven. You basically called me soulless. Where is your proof I am soulless? Why can I not be a "source player"? Where is your proof you have a soul and are some special "source player"? And again, I'm not going to stop masterbating to find the answer.

I am not saying that I can prove that I have a soul to you, but I am saying that I have reasons why I have shown myself to not be a soulless one, although that wouldn't prove it 100%. If you were connected to source then I could prove to you I had a soul, but you have not done anything to connect with source.

I explained that you have a reason to believe I have a soul because I have explained that I have inner knowing, which results from my connection to source, meaning I have a soul. This is not 100% proof, but it is a reasonable argument to make as to why I have a soul.

If you are a soulless one than you can't verify if I have a soul or not because you are not connected to source.
I talked about this in a thread that I opened and you canfind it in this subform.

With respect, you cannot just claim others are attempting to clash because you switch points of view (without explantion) when challenged. That is the whole point of a debate 



Sometimes you lose and sometimes you win, any person that is comfortable with themselves and views will not feel hurt by it. Whole point of this site is to engage discussion for crying out loud.

Chill and would appreciate a bit more info.

I have been trying to engage in proper discussion but there are too many people who are simply being ruse and dismissive towards my posts. If uou looked at my threads you would see this more.

a reply to: XXXN3O

Ok... so... from what you are saying, having a brain does not mean you have a conscious mind/soul? Same thing or something else? Can you clear that up a bit? Thanks.

Yes, that is what I am saying.

Look, this is quite a jump here from my perspective at the moment, please explain the difference between consciousness, soul and spirit at the least from your perspective. Without further explantion there can be no debate and if that is the case I could just go around in life saying nope your an NPC and anyone that agrees with me is real.

The spirit is simply what people think is a soul or consciousness that they are interacting with. It is basically a programmed entity that runs on source energy. It is the mateix counterfeit of a soul.

The soul is what is connected to source. Source created this reality in order to enter into it as source players, and source players exist as soulsinthis reality. Souls are source itself which is creating the experience of reality. Each soul is a unique experience that is playing out within source, which souls are.
When a person has consciousness they are connected to source in this way. So this is what having consciousness means. Consciousness itself is the state of an experience taking place within source.

Explain? Which others have asked too.

I am explaining why it would be reasonable for someone to think that I have a soul nased on my own standards. Because I have source self awareness which has brought me to this knowledge, that must mean I am connected to source to have the inner knowing that led me down the path of discovering this knowledge.

a reply to: SourceTruth

The spirit is simply what people think is a soul or consciousness that they are interacting with. It is basically a programmed entity that runs on source energy. It is the mateix counterfeit of a soul.

The soul is what is connected to source. Source created this reality in order to enter into it as source players, and source players exist as soulsinthis reality. Souls are source itself which is creating the experience of reality. Each soul is a unique experience that is playing out within source, which souls are.
When a person has consciousness they are connected to source in this way. So this is what having consciousness means. Consciousness itself is the state of an experience taking place within source.

Ok, so if this is correct and I am interpreting your thoughts correctly.

From what I already know as fact. No two things in nature can be the same. Be it plant, planet, product or even a clone of a person or otherwise, everything is unique and exists one time only, cannot be copied to 100% accuracy.
So that answers (to me) why people would incarnate on here from a source as you say, to experience reality and learn uniquely.
I can take that a step further and add that every single unique soul can add an experience to a collective (God in a sense) almost infinite possibilities from a finite reality.

Here is the problem with this, how I see it…

Why the need for NPC’s or empty shells and to take it a step further, which is tied to that question... how can you tell if you are an NPC or if you have a soul?

Cheers

PS: I ignored the first part of your reply as I do not wish to debate too much. I disagree with you on that part, as a professional Hypnotist and NLP practitioner speaking from experience with quite a number of folks from a lot of walks of life... I have yet to meet a human being that has a brain without consciousness in some form.
Can provide proof if required on that part too although probably off topic.

But anyways, appreciate the debate and im not here to destroy anyone, might have even given you some food for thought which is the point of debates or it used to be... all good!

It is ok to take on board other viewpoints you know and not get hurt when someone challenges otherwise (respectfully)