This is what socialized medicine looks like

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: JAGStorm

The one fix has been known for decades but has been fought against furiously by insurance companies, eager to protect their "fiefdoms" and their "right" to screw their "serfs" for every penny.

ALLOW INTERSTATE COMPETITION IN HEALTH INSURANCE/HEALTH CARE.

Basically, blow up the health care monopolies, like the AT & T monopoly was blown up in the 1980s which led to dramatically better service and order of magnitude lower pricing.

Lower pricing and margins...insurance and health firm not gonna like it....screw' em

^ THIS

General Motors just cut off company insurance for it's employees. If this trend continues, it only strengthens the dembs. Medicare for all platform.


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a reply to: Stupidsecrets

I don't why the US is filled with dummies. They have schooling, internet yet something like 60% are living paycheck to paycheck and have no clue what is going on. No dummies. Government healthcare is stupid. Look at the VA. You won't even get that. It will be WORSE.

Sending you a super high five through the internet. You get it, you my friend get it. The VA sucks and yes it will be much much worse if we were all forced on it. That is not an experiment I want to try. Yes I had military medical too and I choose to pay out of pocket to see a civilian doctor!

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: JAGStorm

The one fix has been known for decades but has been fought against furiously by insurance companies, eager to protect their "fiefdoms" and their "right" to screw their "serfs" for every penny.

ALLOW INTERSTATE COMPETITION IN HEALTH INSURANCE/HEALTH CARE.

Basically, blow up the health care monopolies, like the AT & T monopoly was blown up in the 1980s which led to dramatically better service and order of magnitude lower pricing.

Lower pricing and margins...insurance and health firm not gonna like it....screw' em

Don't even get me started on insurance... what a racket. How did we let it get this far?

a reply to: JAGStorm

Making profit off of other people's suffering is immoral. Just like abortion, even if it's legal it's still immoral.

a reply to: JAGStorm

The foreigners I've talked say they LOVE their healthcare systems. They all think Americans crazy.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: JAGStorm

Making profit off of other people's suffering is immoral. Just like abortion, even if it's legal it's still immoral.

If those profits help save other people, or create new cures/treatments is it still immoral?

I don't see countries with socialized healthcare coming out with groundbreaking treatments or new medicine or trials. No they all rely on our system for that.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: JAGStorm

Making profit off of other people's suffering is immoral. Just like abortion, even if it's legal it's still immoral.

If those profits help save other people, or create new cures/treatments is it still immoral?

I don't see countries with socialized healthcare coming out with groundbreaking treatments or new medicine or trials. No they all rely on our system for that.

Yes other countries do medical research and trials as well. The US produces a great deal of research as would be expected for its size and wealth but research is conducted across all developed countries.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Actually in the vast majority of polls Americans overwhelmingly favor single payer and the vote if made public would be for higher wages, single payer healthcare, and higher taxes on the wealthy. All have overwhelming support among both democrats and republicans.

As to drugs, pharmaceutical companies produce far less new meds than ever before, and have had no medical miracles or breakthroughs in over a decade. And we do NOT pay so much because we fund research. Research is only 27% of the allocation of funds. The majority actually goes to advertising, and the rest, both larger than research, goes to “profits” and “other”.

And lastly you don’t know what you’re comparing. You think it’s just healthcare. But really Americans spend vast amounts of time and stress worrying about things people in other countries never even have to think about. Families here spend inordinate amounts of time stressing over how they’re going to pay for their kids college, or how they will afford their bills and their medical costs, or if they will lose their home because of it. Or how they will survive when they retire. Or if they can afford to stay home when they’re sick, and if they’ll get fired. For many other nations these are not even issues.

a reply to: Atsbhct

Who says we aren't?

I'm attempting to work through a frozen shoulder right now. I saw my doctor within a week of initial contact for the problem. He got me in and I ended up with both the x-ray and a cortisone shot on that day rather than referral to an ortho although I had that option which would have taken a further two weeks. And I was able to get started physical therapy within the week with a simple doctor's order and a therapy provider that had open times on their schedule.

Now I am looking the possibility of needing a manipulation procedure from the ortho which is an out-patient surgery, and I am guessing that could be scheduled and one within a month of doctor and therapists deciding I am not progressing with physical rehab alone.

This is as opposed to a socialized system where it is possible such a procedure could be classed as elective because most frozen shoulders do resolve on their own if left and the associated wait times as a result leaving me with the excruciating pain in the meantime.

a reply to: pexx421

Americans do until the costs of the system are made known.

The trick is that everyone likes free health care, not so many like free care with much higher taxes and a VAT added to the system.

a reply to: ketsuko

No, most Americans do when they realize that The cost of a tax to create a single payer healthcare system, while seeming astronomical, are fractional when compared to what we are all already paying for our profit based system. So let’s see. Would the majority of Americans prefer to pay astronomical prices for worse outcomes with the current plan where most of us still have to ration our care because it’s a cost burden even when fully insured, and still is the greatest cause of bankruptcies? Or would they rather pay almost half the rate, for doctors they can see whenever they want, and never have to stress that they’ll lose everything if they have the inevitable single catastrophic accident or illness? It’s not rocket science and all the industry funded propaganda in the world isn’t changing that.

a reply to: pexx421

Given what I know about how socialized health care handles my condition?

I would rather keep the current system. Outlier diseases or those that manifest in a highly individualized way are not handled well by socialized care. If you do not respond to the most common and most cost effective, one-size-fits-all treatment, it's very difficult for you to get care tailored to your personal needs and situation.

a reply to: ketsuko

consider, strain/counter strain and acupuncture for your shoulder...bummer, frozen shoulder...no fun

a reply to: ketsuko

I would rather keep the current system.

I'd rather keep the current system also

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: JAGStorm

I refer to 2 examples of the horror potentiated by nationalized healthcare: 1. The English couple with the dying child, that the government and docs refused to allow treatment in Italy 2. The poor bastard in the Netherlands that was unwillingly assisted in suicide due to the cost of his long term treatment.

Yeah, gimme some of that!

WE HAVE A WINNER

eta can you please elaborate or point to the story of the man in the Netherlands that was suicided? I can't seem to find anything on this story, but if it's real, I'm appalled.

a reply to: toolgal462

heres one from Canada, Im still looking fo Netherlands
www.lifenews.com...

a reply to: toolgal462

This one is interesting too:www.theguardian.com...

Ill find the other one yet!

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: toolgal462

This one is interesting too:www.theguardian.com...

Ill find the other one yet!

This is f,king sick!!!

About 7,000 people were euthanised by doctors in 2017, according to official records, up from 4,188 five years ago. There is yet to be a single prosecution of a doctor involved but concerns have been raised that assisted death is becoming normalised.

See, and how’s this? I’m perfectly fine with you having your private health insurance. I’m certainly not trying to prevent you from having that, nor would I want to. So I don’t understand why y’all want to prevent the rest of us who want it from having single payer medicine. How’s that work for y’all?