Everyone Needs to Condemn China over Hong Kong Right Now!!

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: Nyiah
Screw 'em. Their house, their mess.

I've said it time and again, and I'll say it once more -- I'm real damn tired of us being the World Police every time someone stateside whines and every time someone abroad doesn't want to do their own dirty work. If Hong Kong wants to maintain their status quo and not go Full China, then the good folks of HONG KONG need to see to that.

Not the UN.
Not the damn US.

HONG KONG.

They live there, it's their responsibility to look after their home and govern it as they see fit however they can achieve that end, and nobody else.

It's one thing to go in and help people out under the boot of major atrocities that they have zero hope of fighting off. Reabsorbing back into China ain't one of them. If the people of Hong Kong don't like it, they need to buck up and get their hands a little dirtier than just protesting in the streets. Nobody else is going to do that job for them.

I think it's more of an issue of China breaking international agreements to reabsorb Hong Kong prematurely. But like I mentioned before, is anyone here willing to die for Hong Kong? (I never did get a straight answer)

I can assure you that plenty of people in HK have already died for it in the last few months. I realize there is no offical death tolls but there are reports of various individuals dying, and countless injuries.

We cannot trust China on this because they still to this day have not given clear answers on the 1989 Tiananmen Square incident death tolls, all we have is estimates.

You gotta understand how a govt like this "black-bags" people and disappears them in the night right outta their homes, with no media reports, no official information, nothing. People just disappear to who knows where, probably their unmarked graves.

And about people around the world willing to die, we are going to have to face the cold hard reality that China's communist party regime is the enemy of freedom everywhere. It's like the USSR 2.0, especially considering the way they are spreading their tentacles around the globe. Their goal is to expand their "Lebensraum" because their population is so large and their resources so limited. They need living space and are not only plotting, but moving in and taking over various areas of Africa, South America, Central Asia, etc.

The Chinese regime is based on racist ideology, it's Han first all other ethnicity are screwed.
Racism in China

Look at how they treat the Japanese, the Tibetans, the Muslims, the Uyghurs, the Manchu, the Indians, the Mongols, the Koreans, Filipinos, the Taghliks - hell they even have racial slurs for all Caucasians and they especially hate Africans the most. Research this topic, the regime there not only allows racism but it promotes it.

Communism/Socialism is the worst thing that ever happened in human history, by the numbers. Their death tolls are way over 100,000,000 people, and that's the conservative estimates that do not include collateral or proxy death counts. I would personally put the number more around 250 million because I'd include WW2, Vietnam, Korea, etc (the Nazis were socialist fascists btw).

And to answer your question if I'm ready to die for HK :

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: UKTruth
Bringing China to it's knees is very very easy.
Shut off their access to worldwide markets. They're done as soon as that happens.

Agree completely.
China's power is in their economy, and without international trade they would collapse overnight.

The rest of the world could recover from economic sanctions against China, but China couldn't. Yes I realize it would cause market crashes around the world but it wouldn't be the end of those markets, because the next few days enterprising investors would buy up all the cheap assets that would survive in a world without China being dominant.

Rubbish! Because of the trade war, western companies are already suffering. If China fell, so would alot of countries in the West!

It's not rubbish. You think we "Need" China? Are you serious? Most of their goods aren't very good, it's crap! We can produce all our own stuff between the rest of us without them. We don't need 95% of these "goods" anyways.

This is where you are showing you know pretty much nothing on this. All chinese products being rubbish is a fantasy made by people who do not like the fact that chinese companies are making these products. Do you know how much stuff is made from China? I bet a lot of stuff in your home is made in China, just like my home. From your tv to your phone. Are they breaking all the time?


Do you think western people will do that work, earning the same money? Don't be silly! Earnings will go up, prices will sky rocket, companies eill go out of business. You need to look at this logically.

India is ready and willing to take China's place in the world economy. Many investors already recognize this and are moving towards that trend. Also you need to realize that most SE and NE Asian nations are also huge manufacturing hubs, we have more products coming from them collectively than we do from China.

I personally don't own much except my phone (which I don't have currently), and I buy Korean electronics most of the time. I think their products are excellent. My two pairs of shoes are made in South Korea (Fila) and I have a pair of Italian leather shoes made in Italy. My pants and shirts are made in US, Vietnam, India and Indonesia.

I refuse to buy anything made in China and you should too.
Especially now after all this.

We really don't need Chinese products to make it to tomorrow. Materialism is overrated anyways, people usually buy tons of junk they don't need and can easily do without.

The new tariffs against China have been one of the best things we could have done, I don't care if the stock market loses a few %, it's bloated as it is anyways.

originally posted by: Nyiah
Screw 'em. Their house, their mess.

It's too late for that. We are already invested into the world politic and we have military bases all around the world.

My sarcastic point in the OP was that we are always more than willing to intervene in a situation where we are the bad guy simply to grab some resources - but when we actually have a situation where we are the good guy we are just refusing to intervene because "their house their mess" and other BS excuses that would only be legit if we said the same thing about all those other hot-spots we are currently involved in like Yemen, Iran, Korea, Nigeria, Syria, Colombia, etc.

My point is that we are lying hypocrites that actually don't believe in Freedom or any of that feel-good nonsense and that we are no better than the Chinese tyrants we claim to oppose. The only difference being that China is honest about their tyranny and does it up front, where we lie and pretend we are liberty-lovers when in reality we aren't.

Thanks for proving my point by offering your opinion supporting it.

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: UKTruth
Bringing China to it's knees is very very easy.
Shut off their access to worldwide markets. They're done as soon as that happens.

Agree completely.
China's power is in their economy, and without international trade they would collapse overnight.

The rest of the world could recover from economic sanctions against China, but China couldn't. Yes I realize it would cause market crashes around the world but it wouldn't be the end of those markets, because the next few days enterprising investors would buy up all the cheap assets that would survive in a world without China being dominant.

Rubbish! Because of the trade war, western companies are already suffering. If China fell, so would alot of countries in the West!

It's not rubbish. You think we "Need" China? Are you serious? Most of their goods aren't very good, it's crap! We can produce all our own stuff between the rest of us without them. We don't need 95% of these "goods" anyways.

This is where you are showing you know pretty much nothing on this. All chinese products being rubbish is a fantasy made by people who do not like the fact that chinese companies are making these products. Do you know how much stuff is made from China? I bet a lot of stuff in your home is made in China, just like my home. From your tv to your phone. Are they breaking all the time?


Do you think western people will do that work, earning the same money? Don't be silly! Earnings will go up, prices will sky rocket, companies eill go out of business. You need to look at this logically.

India is ready and willing to take China's place in the world economy. Many investors already recognize this and are moving towards that trend. Also you need to realize that most SE and NE Asian nations are also huge manufacturing hubs, we have more products coming from them collectively than we do from China.

I personally don't own much except my phone (which I don't have currently), and I buy Korean electronics most of the time. I think their products are excellent. My two pairs of shoes are made in South Korea (Fila) and I have a pair of Italian leather shoes made in Italy. My pants and shirts are made in US, Vietnam, India and Indonesia.

I refuse to buy anything made in China and you should too.
Especially now after all this.

We really don't need Chinese products to make it to tomorrow. Materialism is overrated anyways, people usually buy tons of junk they don't need and can easily do without.

The new tariffs against China have been one of the best things we could have done, I don't care if the stock market loses a few %, it's bloated as it is anyways.

So, let me get this straight. Even if you are right, which you are not, you are willing for millions of people to suffer, and lose their jobs, just to spite their government. You are ok for that? For millions of innocent men, women and children to suffer?

Does that make you as bad as these sociopaths running these countries? What makes you Amy different?

This is the problem, and why I brought it up about you in my first post. You just cannot see these countries filled with individual people, living their lives like you are me. You clump them all together, which is so wrong.

Like I said, do I condemn every American because of the ilegal invasions and wars in the last two decades? Of course not. Just lime me and you, most people are trying to live their lives.

Blame the government's, not the normal everyday people trying to live their lives!

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: schuyler

What do mean over this? Should we let China run roughshod? Hong Kong isn't Chinese anymore than is Australia or Canada or the US.

Legally, Hong Kong belongs to China.

Get off the internet. What are you, a Beijing official?

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: UKTruth
Bringing China to it's knees is very very easy.
Shut off their access to worldwide markets. They're done as soon as that happens.

Agree completely.
China's power is in their economy, and without international trade they would collapse overnight.

The rest of the world could recover from economic sanctions against China, but China couldn't. Yes I realize it would cause market crashes around the world but it wouldn't be the end of those markets, because the next few days enterprising investors would buy up all the cheap assets that would survive in a world without China being dominant.

Rubbish! Because of the trade war, western companies are already suffering. If China fell, so would alot of countries in the West!

It's not rubbish. You think we "Need" China? Are you serious? Most of their goods aren't very good, it's crap! We can produce all our own stuff between the rest of us without them. We don't need 95% of these "goods" anyways.

This is where you are showing you know pretty much nothing on this. All chinese products being rubbish is a fantasy made by people who do not like the fact that chinese companies are making these products. Do you know how much stuff is made from China? I bet a lot of stuff in your home is made in China, just like my home. From your tv to your phone. Are they breaking all the time?


Do you think western people will do that work, earning the same money? Don't be silly! Earnings will go up, prices will sky rocket, companies eill go out of business. You need to look at this logically.

India is ready and willing to take China's place in the world economy. Many investors already recognize this and are moving towards that trend. Also you need to realize that most SE and NE Asian nations are also huge manufacturing hubs, we have more products coming from them collectively than we do from China.

I personally don't own much except my phone (which I don't have currently), and I buy Korean electronics most of the time. I think their products are excellent. My two pairs of shoes are made in South Korea (Fila) and I have a pair of Italian leather shoes made in Italy. My pants and shirts are made in US, Vietnam, India and Indonesia.

I refuse to buy anything made in China and you should too.
Especially now after all this.

We really don't need Chinese products to make it to tomorrow. Materialism is overrated anyways, people usually buy tons of junk they don't need and can easily do without.

The new tariffs against China have been one of the best things we could have done, I don't care if the stock market loses a few %, it's bloated as it is anyways.

So, let me get this straight. Even if you are right, which you are not, you are willing for millions of people to suffer, and lose their jobs, just to spite their government. You are ok for that? For millions of innocent men, women and children to suffer?

Does that make you as bad as these sociopaths running these countries? What makes you Amy different?

This is the problem, and why I brought it up about you in my first post. You just cannot see these countries filled with individual people, living their lives like you are me. You clump them all together, which is so wrong.

Like I said, do I condemn every American because of the ilegal invasions and wars in the last two decades? Of course not. Just lime me and you, most people are trying to live their lives.

Blame the government's, not the normal everyday people trying to live their lives!

You don't get it do you? Those people making those things get paid #/day, get treated like slaves. losing their jobs would probably be better for them.
Them staying in those #ty jobs (and making overpriced #ty stuff for the greedy west) is what keeps their corrupt system going.
sadly, 100 people in the west not buying those products won't make a difference.
In any case, by all means you move to China, deal with heavy censorship, no ATS, no FB, no Google (or its products) and the intrusive social score.

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: UKTruth
Bringing China to it's knees is very very easy.
Shut off their access to worldwide markets. They're done as soon as that happens.

Yeah, and watch western companies fall apart in the process! It's all connected! You think by doing that the west would not suffer? Seriously?

Sure some Western companies would be hurt but it would be a mortal wound to China. Without being able to export, they would be dead in the water. The West would be in a shock recession till they moved all that production either home or someplace else. Then our economy would be pumping out very high GDP.

In the long-term it would kill China and help the West.

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: UKTruth
Bringing China to it's knees is very very easy.
Shut off their access to worldwide markets. They're done as soon as that happens.

Agree completely.
China's power is in their economy, and without international trade they would collapse overnight.

The rest of the world could recover from economic sanctions against China, but China couldn't. Yes I realize it would cause market crashes around the world but it wouldn't be the end of those markets, because the next few days enterprising investors would buy up all the cheap assets that would survive in a world without China being dominant.

Rubbish! Because of the trade war, western companies are already suffering. If China fell, so would alot of countries in the West!

It's not rubbish. You think we "Need" China? Are you serious? Most of their goods aren't very good, it's crap! We can produce all our own stuff between the rest of us without them. We don't need 95% of these "goods" anyways.

This is where you are showing you know pretty much nothing on this. All chinese products being rubbish is a fantasy made by people who do not like the fact that chinese companies are making these products. Do you know how much stuff is made from China? I bet a lot of stuff in your home is made in China, just like my home. From your tv to your phone. Are they breaking all the time?


Do you think western people will do that work, earning the same money? Don't be silly! Earnings will go up, prices will sky rocket, companies eill go out of business. You need to look at this logically.

India is ready and willing to take China's place in the world economy. Many investors already recognize this and are moving towards that trend. Also you need to realize that most SE and NE Asian nations are also huge manufacturing hubs, we have more products coming from them collectively than we do from China.

I personally don't own much except my phone (which I don't have currently), and I buy Korean electronics most of the time. I think their products are excellent. My two pairs of shoes are made in South Korea (Fila) and I have a pair of Italian leather shoes made in Italy. My pants and shirts are made in US, Vietnam, India and Indonesia.

I refuse to buy anything made in China and you should too.
Especially now after all this.

We really don't need Chinese products to make it to tomorrow. Materialism is overrated anyways, people usually buy tons of junk they don't need and can easily do without.

The new tariffs against China have been one of the best things we could have done, I don't care if the stock market loses a few %, it's bloated as it is anyways.

So, let me get this straight. Even if you are right, which you are not, you are willing for millions of people to suffer, and lose their jobs, just to spite their government. You are ok for that? For millions of innocent men, women and children to suffer?

Does that make you as bad as these sociopaths running these countries? What makes you Amy different?

This is the problem, and why I brought it up about you in my first post. You just cannot see these countries filled with individual people, living their lives like you are me. You clump them all together, which is so wrong.

Like I said, do I condemn every American because of the ilegal invasions and wars in the last two decades? Of course not. Just lime me and you, most people are trying to live their lives.

Blame the government's, not the normal everyday people trying to live their lives!

There are millions of people in HK that will suffer because of what's going on there right now. Their freedoms and their wealth are about to get taken away from them.

Allowing a repressive regime that disappears people regularly for simply disagreeing with their policies to continue forward unchecked is far more dangerous and devastating to millions upon millions of people today and in future generations than it would be to stand up to them now and put an end to this insanity.

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: UKTruth
Bringing China to it's knees is very very easy.
Shut off their access to worldwide markets. They're done as soon as that happens.

Yeah, and watch western companies fall apart in the process! It's all connected! You think by doing that the west would not suffer? Seriously?

Sure some Western companies would be hurt but it would be a mortal wound to China. Without being able to export, they would be dead in the water. The West would be in a shock recession till they moved all that production either home or someplace else. Then our economy would be pumping out very high GDP.

In the long-term it would kill China and help the West.

Exactly. It's in our interest to move in this direction. A few short term losses are worth the huge long term gains.

originally posted by: Kryscent

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: schuyler

What do mean over this? Should we let China run roughshod? Hong Kong isn't Chinese anymore than is Australia or Canada or the US.

Legally, Hong Kong belongs to China.

Get off the internet. What are you, a Beijing official?

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: UKTruth
Bringing China to it's knees is very very easy.
Shut off their access to worldwide markets. They're done as soon as that happens.

Agree completely.
China's power is in their economy, and without international trade they would collapse overnight.

The rest of the world could recover from economic sanctions against China, but China couldn't. Yes I realize it would cause market crashes around the world but it wouldn't be the end of those markets, because the next few days enterprising investors would buy up all the cheap assets that would survive in a world without China being dominant.

Rubbish! Because of the trade war, western companies are already suffering. If China fell, so would alot of countries in the West!

It's not rubbish. You think we "Need" China? Are you serious? Most of their goods aren't very good, it's crap! We can produce all our own stuff between the rest of us without them. We don't need 95% of these "goods" anyways.

This is where you are showing you know pretty much nothing on this. All chinese products being rubbish is a fantasy made by people who do not like the fact that chinese companies are making these products. Do you know how much stuff is made from China? I bet a lot of stuff in your home is made in China, just like my home. From your tv to your phone. Are they breaking all the time?


Do you think western people will do that work, earning the same money? Don't be silly! Earnings will go up, prices will sky rocket, companies eill go out of business. You need to look at this logically.

India is ready and willing to take China's place in the world economy. Many investors already recognize this and are moving towards that trend. Also you need to realize that most SE and NE Asian nations are also huge manufacturing hubs, we have more products coming from them collectively than we do from China.

I personally don't own much except my phone (which I don't have currently), and I buy Korean electronics most of the time. I think their products are excellent. My two pairs of shoes are made in South Korea (Fila) and I have a pair of Italian leather shoes made in Italy. My pants and shirts are made in US, Vietnam, India and Indonesia.

I refuse to buy anything made in China and you should too.
Especially now after all this.

We really don't need Chinese products to make it to tomorrow. Materialism is overrated anyways, people usually buy tons of junk they don't need and can easily do without.

The new tariffs against China have been one of the best things we could have done, I don't care if the stock market loses a few %, it's bloated as it is anyways.

So, let me get this straight. Even if you are right, which you are not, you are willing for millions of people to suffer, and lose their jobs, just to spite their government. You are ok for that? For millions of innocent men, women and children to suffer?

Does that make you as bad as these sociopaths running these countries? What makes you Amy different?

This is the problem, and why I brought it up about you in my first post. You just cannot see these countries filled with individual people, living their lives like you are me. You clump them all together, which is so wrong.

Like I said, do I condemn every American because of the ilegal invasions and wars in the last two decades? Of course not. Just lime me and you, most people are trying to live their lives.

Blame the government's, not the normal everyday people trying to live their lives!

You don't get it do you? Those people making those things get paid #/day, get treated like slaves. losing their jobs would probably be better for them.
Them staying in those #ty jobs (and making overpriced #ty stuff for the greedy west) is what keeps their corrupt system going.
sadly, 100 people in the west not buying those products won't make a difference.
In any case, by all means you move to China, deal with heavy censorship, no ATS, no FB, no Google (or its products) and the intrusive social score.

If we cut China off than their people will have no choice but to rise up against the leadership and replace them with a more Freedom-oriented government system.

That, in the long run, is by far more in their interests than remaining as slaves in the system they are currently under.

Us standing up to China boldly right now is not only in the interest of all of us in the Western nations, it's in the interest of the Chinese citizens and their progeny.

Get a grip OP. No-one HAS to do anything.

originally posted by: ItsAllOk
Get a grip OP. No-one HAS to do anything.

Yes you do!!
Or else!

originally posted by: Kryscent

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: Identified
a reply to: schuyler

What do mean over this? Should we let China run roughshod? Hong Kong isn't Chinese anymore than is Australia or Canada or the US.

Legally, Hong Kong belongs to China.

Get off the internet. What are you, a Beijing official?

Oh, now THAT'S a rational response! The problem with both you and OP is that you are way too emotional. Thank God you are not making irrevocable decisions on this. This is Chinese territory we're talking about here. Period. End of story. If you think you can persuade a billion Chinese to think otherwise, be my guest. You can't even get the people here on ATS to rally to your cause. Assuming you cannot accomplish that small task, what the hell are you going to do?

Invade China? What a laughable idea!
Launch the nukes? So we get to die for Hong Kong? Brilliant!
Boycott the place? Watch the stock market for that one.
Get the UN to say, "China, please stop."? China will say, "Make me!"

Your options are limited. You can't even get the American people to back this nonsense. You certainly won't get the rest of the world. So really, all you are doing is letting off some steam and alienating people. Congratulations.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Let’s just get one thing straight, it was and is western corporations that allowed the economic rise of China in the first place. Most of the manufacturing is done for western companies, often the products of competing western companies are made in the same Chinese factory.

It all good and well moaning about the Chinese gov not treating its people fairly with low wages, long hours and hardly any health and safety measures, but western corporations are complicit by having their products manufactured there. Hell its the reason they had their products manufactured there in the first place, for the bottom line, bigger profit margins. Sure China now has its own powerful corporations but that is a relatively recent development.

What I find most confusing about China is how is it still being labelled as communist? I know it went that way in the early days of the revolution but today? How does a communist country have the greatest amount of newly created millionaires and billionaires in the world? Buying up businesses, land and property all over the world?
Yet at the same time have some of the poorest and most repressed people in the world? It seems to me China is just as corrupt if not more so than anywhere else and it doesn’t really give a # about its average citizens just like so many other countries that claim to be united under one flag.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Saw this photo this morning, pretty much sums up everything.

And this is why the Second Amendment is so important here in the United States of America. And also why some members of our elected officials want to take it away from us. a reply to: muzzleflash

a reply to: JAGStorm

I am sure those
Libyan and Syrian rebels and protesters were fighting for freedom an democracy to. Lets ignore the reality on the real issue about whose pushing these color revolutions in ironic places.

I am already seeing the trending.

YOUR A COMMUSINT IF YOU DONT SUPPORT REGIME CHANGE AND PREOSTS IN Hk! Where have I heard this nonsense before?

a reply to: muzzleflash

Their freedoms and their wealth are about to get taken away from them.

What do you think what will happen when HK is free from China? be a booming great economy place? HK all on its own wont survive very long economically.

Kosovo is a great example of that. Even there are millions if not more Albanians moving away from Kosovo because there are no job opportunities nor a proper economy.

This is what China knows. China knows America gov wants to divide them.

a reply to: schuyler

I had being branded as a Beijing official as well lol for just expressing my opposition to the protests and looking at the reality.

The only reason these protests are happening in HK I will say it again is because the American deep state gov lost in Syria and its losing in Venezuela they need a new distraction.

a reply to: muzzleflash


I read a rumour today that there was trouble at St Marys college in London between Hong Kong Chinese students and mainland ones, with some Taiwanese getting involved.

Can't see anything online about it though, (Was a comment in the guardian on one of the Brexit threads).

originally posted by: TacoLoco75
And this is why the Second Amendment is so important here in the United States of America. And also why some members of our elected officials want to take it away from us. a reply to: muzzleflash

Agree 100%!!

Thank God we have that Constitution - but it is under attack and we need to do everything we can to protect it and to push back against the tyrants who are continually trying to erode and destroy it.

We need to remove restrictions that were placed upon that 2nd Amendment, it's insane that people want more added. It's scary and sad to see people hating their Freedom so much.

Thank you for posting the plain Truth!