Active shooter at Walmart in El Paso, TX

a reply to: face23785

Interesting enough, his father is a Mkultra psychotherapist. Could he be a MK Victim?

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: UpIsNowDown

To the gun advocates what are you proposals to resolve this ?

Killing people doesn't require a gun, as was so clearly proven in Nice, France. A truck is a perfectly good weapon to kill people. A kitchen pressure cooker was a perfectly good weapon to kill people at the Boston Marathon. A knife was a perfectly good weapon to kill people in China. Fertilizer, a truck and diesel fuel was a perfectly good weapon to kill 168 people in Oklahoma City. And, most importantly, not a single shot was fired to kill 3,000 people on September 11, 2001, not a single shot. The single largest mass murder in history required not a single shot to be fired from a gun.

But do you know what one single thing was the common denominator in all those mass murders???? Do you know what one thing they all had in common??? It took "people" to commit these acts! Guns were illegal or heavily restricted in every single one of the areas where these tragic events took place, yet they still happened.

So, you ask...

To the gun advocates what are you proposals to resolve this ?

What do YOU think the answer is based on the above???

It's patently obvious outlawing guns doesn't solve the problem, but maybe we should outlaw...MURDERING PEOPLE!

Wait...

^^^^THIS^^^^

This is exactly what I was saying. Guns have been plentiful and readily available since before the US even existed but this problem of mass shootings is relatively new. You cant say its because of the availability of guns when guns have been here all along. And you don't need guns to commit mass murder.

The knee-jerk reaction of banning guns is IMO one of the biggest threats to our safety in this country. This is why: not only does it completely fail to solve the problem it is intended to solve, it wastes valuable resources on efforts that can and will not succeed. As you pointed out so well, these incidents repeatedly happen in places where guns are banned.

Maybe if we start replacing gun-free zone signs with signs that tell the truth people will start catching on. Signs like, "Willing victim zone", "Shooter friendly zone", "Defenseless people zone", "I fought for your right to murder me zone".

Thanks, but no thanks. I will stick with this one: "If I don't shoot you, my Doberman will".

a reply to: face23785>>>> The Gilroy garlic festival shooter comes across as MK Ultra. He mysteriously moves to an isolated area then comes back with a plan to make a statement by killing. Now this kid in Texas. I read his manifesto and it seemed like he was programmed to do this. They have him, they can have psychologists pick his brain and hopefully find out his motives. But two guys in a few days doing the same thing, same profile, same motives? Now the Dayton shooter. This guy kind of scares me a little bit since he resembles this freak kid I know. He's got the same smiling dead eyes expression on his face. He doesn't seem to have a job and comes into our business almost every night hanging around with an assortment of younger possibly mentally challenged teens. Like they're in a foster home program and have little supervision. I'm saying these young people are being programmed for these shootings. The Las Vegas shooting, the DC baseball congressional shooting, the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting, the Florida school shooting. Its the Deep State either behind the scenes or fully involved aiding them and part of it Is to force gun control on the masses. Why? Why don't they want us to have firearms and why are they willing to kill us to get us to give them up? And what happens if we do?

Which one of these 2 guys is the real murderer, Patrick Crusius?

twitter.com...

Could they be the same guy, from two different points in his life?

a reply to: ketsuko

Fourteen people were shot and killed at Texas University in 1966 and the first school shooting on record occurred in 1840.

a reply to: face23785

When you say 'case in point', you need to actually make a point.
You didn't.

At that point in time the manifesto was just being reported and I asked about it.

I guess in your world asking questions is not encouraged. Or something...

a reply to: face23785

El Paso is over 80% white according to demographics for the city.

[worldpopulationreview.com...]

El Paso Demographics According to the most recent ACS, the racial composition of El Paso was:
White: 82.02%
Other race: 9.82%
Black or African American: 3.80%
Two or more races: 2.38%
Asian: 1.27%
Native American: 0.58%
Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander: 0.13%

El Paso, Texas's estimated population is 682,669 according to the most recent United States census.

a reply to: Nyiah

Apparently the word 'average' doesn't register with them...
My link was.... the average walmart customer but they thought it was the average suburb of Chicago walmart customer...

And they wonder why I get frustrated...

Strawman arguments. Thats all you get around here.

originally posted by: Muninn

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: LordAhriman

If that is infact the shooters manifesto, it seem to be more right wing than anything else.

The blood is still wet and you are pointing fingers, sick.

Sorry, this is old news... there have already been a dozen people on her claiming Antifa..

originally posted by: DBCowboy
So to recap;

20 dead, 26 injured.

Suspect in custody.


Had to walk away from this topic yesterday. Blood not even drying and it became politicized.


Tragic that these things happen. But in a free society, bad people often abuse those freedoms that we all enjoy.

I see the arguments and it astonishes me that so many would desire to give up freedoms just because a bad person abused his.

You are right. It is pretty sick that people immediately went with Antifa as the perpetrator.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Walmart still sells guns at a select few stores that are labeled Sports Stores. They are usually in areas where hunting is popular.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

I agree with you both.

It absolutely is not the availability of guns. I grew up in 70s and 80s and I always had access to a loaded gun. Half of my friends had access to guns in their house. At 8 years old we would walk down the street in plain sight with BB guns that looked like real guns, with no orange tips or wacky colors so we could shoot cans in the woods. I didn't hunt but I knew plenty of kids who had their own hunting rifles that they kept in their room.

It never crossed my mind to use a gun I had easy access to. I have asked my friends and family and they have said the same thing.

This is not an access problem this is a sociological problem that creates psychological problems.

And instead of fixing the problem, we are arguing over removing a Constitutional Right from people. Just look at how much our 4th Amendment Rights have been stripped down out of fear. We have seen our First Amendment Rights stripped over fear and hurt feelings and you can bet that as soon as our Second Amendment goes so goes everything else.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Hispanic is not a race. Hispanics may identify as white or black or whatever.

The Mayor of El Paso said yesterday that the city had a population of 84% Hispanic with another several thousand crossing the border each day for school, work, or shopping.

a reply to: Identified

It absolutely is not the availability of guns. I grew up in 70s and 80s and I always had access to a loaded gun. Half of my friends had access to guns in their house. At 8 years old we would walk down the street in plain sight with BB guns that looked like real guns, with no orange tips or wacky colors so we could shoot cans in the woods. I didn't hunt but I knew plenty of kids who had their own hunting rifles that they kept in their room. It never crossed my mind to use a gun I had easy access to. I have asked my friends and family and they have said the same thing. This is not an access problem this is a sociological problem that creates psychological problems.

But it did cross the mind of these and other shooters to go out and slaughter people. If these sort of firearms were not so readily available to them would that not be a good thing?

a reply to: oldcarpy

Read back several pages and this has been discussed by several other posters.

No, it would not be a good thing to take things from everyone else because a few people don't know how to behave themselves.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: face23785

Wouldn't a trump supporter say just that? I can see it here.
Thats more of an indication than if he had not mentioned trump at all.

But he did and he shielded him or tried to shield him with his words.

total trumpy... white supremacist. white nationalist.

Please.

www.foxnews.com...

"In one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy,” Trump said, in solemn remarks from the White House, standing beside Vice President Pence. “These sinister ideologies must be defeated. Hatred has no place in America.”

what words were you speaking of?

a reply to: Identified


"No, it would not be a good thing to take things from everyone else because a few people don't know how to behave themselves."

It's quite a bigger problem than "a few people don't know how to behave themselves".

I did not suggest taking guns away from people, by the way. Perhaps just not making it so easy for nutjobs to get their hands on things like assault rifles and stuff like that?

This is from a Brit's perspective, of course.

a reply to: oldcarpy

We already have plenty of laws that make it difficult for someone with mental problems but you can't know what is in someone's mind until such time as they say or do something to suggest it.

It's not access, I think living in Britain you understand the access to knives, broken glasses, acid, vehicles on bridges, etc.... People have access to deadly weapons and no matter what if they want to hurt someone they will.

a reply to: Identified

I'm so tired of this argument.

I grew up in this era as well, I grew up with guns and still have them to this day. That was 40 years ago when I was a kid, society has changed. We now glamorize people that run around and kill someone. 40 years ago, no one would have thought about performing these acts as they were afraid to die, and there wasn't an incentive of 10 minutes of fame.

Today we have a situation where certain people will choose death to try to get their 10 minutes of fame. This changes the ballgame completely. To address the situation there are many things we can address. Doing nothing is tragic. How about this.

1. From this day forward never mention the name, the picture or anything from anyone who commits an act of violence of this. We should not participate in any motive for recognition.
2. We need to quit this absolute vision of things like common sense controls. There are crazy people on both sides here. It is next to impossible to take guns out of society in the USA. It is also silly to assume that putting some sort of common sense gun control laws would prevent any of these things from going on. It is also silly to run around claiming the government is coming for your guns and you are getting 'liberties' taken away from you if common sense laws are put in place. Doing nothing is silly here, but as long as both polar sides allow themselves to be manipulated nothing will happen.

There are many additional ideas that people can come up with that need not be driving by politics and division but rather with common sense to address this stupid behavior from spreading even further.