Atlantis has been discovered?!

a reply to: AleksandrK
What the hell dude.

Those people don't even have the decency to have caption in English.

But ! who knew this Atlantis thing, was a fancy world wide.

I mean not me, Atlantas does not concern me one bit, much less the Anunnaki, the spawn of Anu, who were likely underpaid and overworked, which supposedly lead to this little catastrophe we like to call the human race, leave it to one lazy race to create another lazier race.

But anyways, it is only logical that if you want something to be viewed you must make it in a language the most amount of people can understand. Its how you reach the largest target audience possible, its only logical.

I dont think we have that many russian speaking member on this site. Well that is not on the Ancient and lost civilization forum. In politics, though, they always seem to be going on about Russia this or Russia that. yada yada yada.

But anyways, I skimmed through the vid, and it would have been better if they had captions.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: AleksandrK
What the hell dude.

Those people don't even have the decency to have caption in English.


But anyways, I skimmed through the vid, and it would have been better if they had captions.

Interesting. It has captions now....

Fighting through it now. I wish they would do a English Version.

originally posted by: LABTECH767 the discovery of a carved monolith

""Maybe to find the roots of civilization, it's necessary to focus research in shallow water areas that are now submerged."

Yeah, no # Sherlock. Nice find Lab!

I was looking at some videos concerning mud bubbles. On a larger scale, is this not what we see in this structure?



I believe this structure is the result of gasses escaping from the interior of the newly forming planet, catching the glimpse of a molten ball. The last belch before solidification.

I wonder what Mount Olympus looks like...

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: HarteIf you have a link, please share it. My choice would be for the original source material. That is, if you wish to contribute.

A link to what?
Sitchin's preface?
It's online.
The whole book is free online in pdf format.

Also, I did provide you a link. A translation of an actual Akkadian myth written in cuneiform that mentions Magan.
Thought you might read through that to find something to back up the Magan - Atlantis claim you posted.

Guess not, eh?

Harte

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
a reply to: HarteIf you have a link, please share it. My choice would be for the original source material. That is, if you wish to contribute.

A link to what?
Sitchin's preface?
It's online.
The whole book is free online in pdf format.

Also, I did provide you a link. A translation of an actual Akkadian myth written in cuneiform that mentions Magan.
Thought you might read through that to find something to back up the Magan - Atlantis claim you posted.

Guess not, eh?

Harte

You pointed to the middle east, but the actual location, is "Unknown".

The location of Magan is not known with certainty, but most of the archaeological geological evidence suggests that Magan was part of what is now the United Arab Emirates and Oman.[2] However, some archaeologists place it elsewhere, such as in the region of Yemen known as Ma'in,[3] in the south of Upper Egypt, in Nubia or the Sudan, and others as part of today's Iran and Pakistan. The latter location, specifically in the neighborhood of coastal Baluchistan, has been suggested on account of the similarity between Baluchistan's historical name, "Makran", and "Makkan", a variant of Magan.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...(civilization)

It is Endubsar who claims to have been taken to the Land of Magan. So, if that be true, then Atlantis would also be the Land of Magan. So many languages to deal with...

So, with your reference and this one, makes two.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect

originally posted by: LABTECH767 the discovery of a carved monolith

""Maybe to find the roots of civilization, it's necessary to focus research in shallow water areas that are now submerged."

Yeah, no # Sherlock. Nice find Lab!

In this case, its the opposite. Shallow areas filled with mud and debris from a large flood. It filled in the natural harbor. The Richat Structure no longer sheds spring water as it has in the past, that is documented by science. That water coursed its way into the bay, but now, dry.

From lakes and grasslands with hippos and giraffes to a vast desert, North Africa's sudden geographical transformation 5,000 years ago was one of the planet's most dramatic climate shifts.

The transformation took place nearly simultaneously across the continent's northern half, a new study finds. The results will appear in an upcoming issue of the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters.

www.livescience.com...

Complete "Causeway". A series of stones placed in virtually straight lines covering a large area. Suggested usage, Docks for ships.

originally posted by: dragonridr
Middle earth should exist by these standards. Tolkien tells us of the hobbits and the shire surely it must exist.

Did Tolkien invent the end of the last ice age?
Did Tolkien invent the Sargasso Sea?
Did Tolkien invent the American continents?
Did Tolkien invent the freaking Coconut?

According to your line of thinking Plato must have invented all of them. Because Plato wrote about all those things. And unless he was a sailor, he should not have known about any of them.

So if Plato did not invent those things then he must have been made aware of their reality by others who knew about their existence. Someone had seen them and wrote about them.

The way I see it, if he was correct about those four then he was probably correct about Atlantis too.

And another possibility, how about the Panathenaea? It dates back to 138 years before Plato was even born. Does the procession to the Acropolis have to do with the goddess saving the city of Athens with her victory over the nation of Poseidon (aka Atlantis)? Is it just coincidence that a Goddess from Athens and a God from Atlantis were fighting over Athens, or did Plato invent that too?

originally posted by: dragonridr
there would have been some record somewhere talking about this magical place.

And lastly, I think we should open the Vatican vaults. Because it was in the Vatican Archives that Athanasius said he found proof that Atlantis was fact. That’s where he found the leather bound map of Atlantis that the Romans had brought back from Egypt in the first century AD.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
And lastly, I think we should open the Vatican vaults. Because it was in the Vatican Archives that Athanasius said he found proof that Atlantis was fact. That’s where he found the leather bound map of Atlantis that the Romans had brought back from Egypt in the first century AD.

My guess is that the Vatican vaults are a lot less interesting (and organized) than you would assume. Good luck.

a reply to: Blue Shift


I think a lot of people picture the Vat-Vaults as the Library form Dr Strange, but the more I hear about how "things" are found there I picture Sol's apartment from Soylent Green.


If we were all serious about finding out where (or in my case what) Atlantis is then we should look at not only the story that Plato tells, but also the stories and geologies of the world at that time. We should examine what happened to Attica and why did the land go away, or even why the early Greeks fled to the caves. An early story of Medusa had her being raped by Poseidon, could that have meant a tidal wave (or tsunami) flooded the temple in Attica?

Why did the Egyptians have these stories and not the Greeks themselves? This is where people fail to research when it comes to Atlantis. Other histories from other lands that are nearby. Look at the mystical aspects of the story and view them as mundane. If a god was angered, then reflect as to what would that look like and reference that to what could be happening in the world.

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
It is Endubsar who claims to have been taken to the Land of Magan. So, if that be true, then Atlantis would also be the Land of Magan. So many languages to deal with...

No, that's Sitchin saying that, not some scribe named Endubsar (fake name Sitchin masde up by sticking "En" for Enki in front of the Akkadian word for scribe.) Find Endubsar in the ancient myths or quit talking about him.

originally posted by: All Seeing EyeSo, with your reference and this one, makes two.

There's only been one reference to any ancient text containing the place-name Magar and I provided it.

I suppose I could give you others. Links to ancient writings about how Sargon conquered them, but it looks like you think Sargon traveled clear across the known world (at the time) just to subjugate Magar, skipping over MUCH wealthier regions in doing so.
There would be no point in me helping you with this, in other words.

Harte

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect

originally posted by: dragonridr
Middle earth should exist by these standards. Tolkien tells us of the hobbits and the shire surely it must exist.

Did Tolkien invent the end of the last ice age?
Did Tolkien invent the Sargasso Sea?
Did Tolkien invent the American continents?
Did Tolkien invent the freaking Coconut?

According to your line of thinking Plato must have invented all of them. Because Plato wrote about all those things. And unless he was a sailor, he should not have known about any of them.

Dumb answer. You're proving Dragonrider's point.
Tolkien wrote about boots, bows, arrows, swords, even gunpowder in his trilogy.
Since those are real things, then Sauron must have been real too?
Look, if you can't address someone's point, don't reply.
Here's what was said:

originally posted by: dragonridr
It's clear that Plato invented Atlantis as a plot device for his stories, because not once is it ever mentioned by anyone else. There are many extant Greek texts; surely someone else would have also mentioned, at least in passing, such a remarkable place. There is simply no evidence from any source that the legends about Atlantis existed before Plato wrote about it.

Bottom line he created this mythical land and if it had actually existed there would have been some record somewhere talking about this magical place.

Middle earth should exist by these standards. Tolkien tells us of the hobbits and the shire surely it must exist.

See, there WAS records of boots, bows, arrows, swords, etc. when Tolkien wrote his trilogy.
On the other hand, there WAS no record of Atlantis - nothing even resembling it - until Plato wrote his allegory.
What this means is, the evidence for the existence of Bilbo is equal to the evidence for the existence of Atlantis.

So, if you're gonna quote and reply to Dragonrider, then address the bolded portion above from his post.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitectSo if Plato did not invent those things then he must have been made aware of their reality by others who knew about their existence. Someone had seen them and wrote about them.

The way I see it, if he was correct about those four then he was probably correct about Atlantis too.

while you're at it, please quote Plato on the Sargasso Sea, The Americas, the coconut, and the last Ice Age.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitectAnd another possibility, how about the Panathenaea? It dates back to 138 years before Plato was even born. Does the procession to the Acropolis have to do with the goddess saving the city of Athens with her victory over the nation of Poseidon (aka Atlantis)? Is it just coincidence that a Goddess from Athens and a God from Atlantis were fighting over Athens, or did Plato invent that too?

You mean is it a coincidence that a Greek author would write about a Greek god (presuming you mean Poseidon?)

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
And lastly, I think we should open the Vatican vaults. Because it was in the Vatican Archives that Athanasius said he found proof that Atlantis was fact. That’s where he found the leather bound map of Atlantis that the Romans had brought back from Egypt in the first century AD.

Kircher made a lot of suspect claims. You appear to have never looked into his stuff.

Harte

Hey we found Atlantis. It is the Richat structure in northwestern Africa. It is extremely fascinating and exciting that we finally found it. Why not more celebration? It is simply an artifact of ancient civilization. Should be celebrated that we found it.

Naysayers, give some geological arguments as to how the Richat structure would occur naturally, non man-made. Would love to hear it.

Atlantis has been found. We should celebrate. Maybe even excavate.

originally posted by: sincerelyme
Naysayers, give some geological arguments as to how the Richat structure would occur naturally, non man-made. Would love to hear it.

Eroded dome formed by plunge on an existing fold.
I use ad blockers, so I can't post the pic, but here's a link to a pic: plunge on fold
Source of that pic: source

Not as if it's the only sedimentary dome around. Not even the only eroded one. Just a particularly well articulated one.

Harte

a reply to: sincerelyme

Why not more celebration?

Well, that's a tough one to try and explain.

I have been trying to introduce evidence for its central Island city to be, where we have been mistakenly, by design or by accident, misdirected from. Simply put, we were misdirected. Evidently when the gods decided to destroy The City Island State of Atlantis, they not only meant physically, but wiped it out of history as well.

Only the slimiest of evidence comes from the historical record which itself is quite incomplete. But quite by accident there is a old map that does in fact show a Circular Island, right where the Richat Structure stands.

So, at some time in the past, someone, knew where it was. Personally, I believe the "Mystery Schools" were formed, to keep, mysteries, not expose them. For if, you were to discover the location of Atlantis(the seat of demi gods), then you might go one to search for the "Other" fabled location, Mount Olympus(the seat of the gods), itself.

The Piri Reas Map correctly shows the location of the Island City.



The map depicts two areas, the upper one appears to be hidden under the sand to the north of the "Eye". I wonder what we are not, seeing....

originally posted by: sincerelyme
Hey we found Atlantis. It is the Richat structure in northwestern Africa. It is extremely fascinating and exciting that we finally found it. Why not more celebration? It is simply an artifact of ancient civilization. Should be celebrated that we found it.

Naysayers, give some geological arguments as to how the Richat structure would occur naturally, non man-made. Would love to hear it.

Atlantis has been found. We should celebrate. Maybe even excavate.

This was why I pointed out the Cruiser Tablemount in the other thread on Atlantis. It fits the location, shape, and best of all it's fully under water. The Richat structure to me is just an eroded dome out in the dessert. While there may have been some settlements around the area (probably due to the resources at first, then religious purposes later on) I doubt it fits the story of Atlantis. The Richat structure is nothing but an interesting area in the dessert. If it was Atlantis then the story Solon had gotten from the Egyptians would have been more in tone with the appearances of it.

Sadly, and I hate to state this but, if the Richat structure was a possible location for Atlantis, then wouldn't the NAZI have spent tons of resources and men digging the crap out of the place? Instead we don't get much information about the place until the 1950's. So even though the area has been poked around since the 11th century by the Berbers and the Almoravid reign of power, nobody thought that this place could be Atlantis until recently.

I still think Atlantis is just west of the Libya, but if people really want to think that Richat structure is Atlantis, then I would argue that Cruiser Tablemount is a better location instead.

Hundreds of Mysterious Ancient Structures Found in the Sahara Desert

Archaeologists working in the Sahara have published their findings outlining the discovery of mysterious stone structures found scattered throughout the world’s largest desert. The structures come in various shapes and forms and appear to date back thousands of years, although researchers still aren’t sure when they were build or what their purpose may have been.

mysteriousuniverse.org...

It isn't hundreds, its more like thousands..

Starting on the Atlantic 23°24'35.29"N 15°58'23.97"W there is a stone wall that runs generally west then northwest. It has small, what I call stone outposts at regular intervals. Some are simple while others are larger and more complicated along the walls length. The ruins are in generally poor condition until you start up into the anti atlas mountains where they are in good to pristine condition. Some appear to even have the original roofs still in place. In the mountains its obvious these "Outposts" were used in a defensive posture. Many of them have been excavated, some presently inhabited. Ant it appears in Northern Mauritania one of these "Outposts" are manned by the military, as noted by 7 tanks sitting in the courtyard, along with 6 half track vehicles. (Google maps only show two tanks present). 25°59'35.70"N 11°46'0.19"W To the point where the wall crosses the Mauritania boader, heading north is over 340 miles, from the ocean. Suggested use, Manned Military Boarder Wall, with supporting facilities, services.

25°10'12.59"N 12° 8'11.14"W




25°17'11.20"N 12° 3'6.91"W



Presently it appears some of the "Outposts" are being excavated by an organized effort, its anyone's guess who. But again, there are ruins that are completely untouched.

Given the amount of ruins, length of boarder wall, this was not accomplished by nomads. At least hundreds of thousands, maybe more, people, building and manning these posts/ villages. This was no small effort. When the King says he wants a wall, what do you do?

originally posted by: ManyMasks
Hidden in plain site would put Atlantis in the Atlantic.

Just like the secret of the universe is that it's one vibration/song this is recent, yet it's always been called uni verse.... Talk about in your face.

As stupid..or..as crazy....or as probably as is sounds you are most likely right. As in tradition things carry a certain name for a reason. Considering how significant the atlantic ocean is for the history of our planet it would be really weird or a sloppy mistake to name an important city..or nation like Atlantis must have been Atlantis if it was to be found in the pacific ocean. Therefore I agree that Atlantis must have been somewhere in the Atlantic ocean. No matter how many other beautiful candidate places for this lost city there are in other parts of the world.

I am not sure but can it be that I read somewhere that this city took of from the sea and disappeared in the sky...? If so evidence for finding the exact location of Atlantis will be close to impossible.. But hey, finding Troje was also considered impossible to find..

Maybe new developed scientific devices somewhere in the future can help us find Atlantis. Maybe some apparatus will be able to register shapes under mud of the sea floor. Just like LADAR made uit possible to find the mysterious city of the monkey king under the jungle canapy in Honduras.

originally posted by: Guyfriday

This was why I pointed out the Cruiser Tablemount in the other thread on Atlantis. It fits the location, shape, and best of all it's fully under water.

The Cruiser Tablemount makes sense. If Kircher’s Vatican Egyptian map is the Great Meteor Seamount, as it sure looks to be, then Cruiser should have been above water at the same time too. As would be the 2 mounts between them, Irving and Hyeres. And north of them, the seamounts of Plato, Tyro and Atlantis would also been above water. This gives an island chain running a hundred miles north to the Azroes.


en.wikipedia.org...#/media/File:Seewarte3d.svg


“In a 1954 issue of Geological Society of America, Bulletin, Bruce Heezen and others reported on a seamount - an underwater mountain - that has been named Atlantis by geologists and is in the Atlantic Ocean. It has been found to have been an island about 12,000 years - exactly the time specified by Plato! This abstract is given:
The Atlantis, Cruiser, and Great Meteor seamounts rise from a broad ridge or plateau which extends from the Mid-Atlantic Ridge to 37°N. 32°W. southeast to Great Sea mount at 30°N. 28°W. The Atlantis Sea mount, briefly explored 1947 and 1948, was found by echo sounding and submarine photography to have a fairly flat bedrock summit area at about 180 fathoms covered in some cases by current-rippled sand. Its slopes are covered with sand or ooze symmetrically rippled at 400 fathoms and marked by slump features in 570 fathoms. A small piece of volcanic agglomerate was dredged from 400 fathoms on the north slope. About a ton of flat pteropod limestone cobbles was dredged from the summit area. One of the cobbles gave an apparent radiocarbon age of 12,000 years ±900 (J.L. Kulp). The state of lithification of the limestone suggests that it may have been lithified under subaerial [i.e. above water, on land surface] conditions and that the sea mount may have been an island within the past 12,000 years. (Heezen, Bruce C., et al, "Flat-Topped Atlantis, Cruiser, And Great Meteor Sea Mounts" in Geological Society of America, Bulletin, 65:1261, 1954 (Protogonos issue 9))”


The Horse Shoe Seamount is a submerged mountain chain about 450 miles off of Gibraltar and is supposed to cover 6,000 square miles, plenty large enough for Atlantis. A Russian expedition dredged up elephant bones and beach sand from the Horse Shoe Seamount. And the rocks which were brought up showed that they had formed on dry land within the last 10,000 years. Fossilized freshwater algae was also brought up from Mount Ampere, whose summit is only 65 meters under water. All of this shows that the area had once been above water.

When we add Ampere, Josephine and Horseshoe to Cruiser and the seamounts around it, we get one or two very large island chains.