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Atlantis has been discovered?!
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originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
originally posted by: punkinworks10
there are so many reasons this is lame
Well, please share. If you have specific criticism, by all means share it with us. If not, your post is worth what?
Search for a thread on the very same subject, several months back, and you will find my detailed reply.
The area is hardly unexplored, surveyed, or described.
The geology is well known and there is no possible way the structure can be interpreted as a "sunken island".
Camps from Homo Erectus can be found, but not single modern human village let alone a Mediterranean dominating culture can has left any trace.
What about horses, horses don"t make it to that part of Africa until historic times, just like agriculture.
How did they feed their power structure?
Then there is the terrible fact that the structure is hundreds of miles inland and 1500' in elevation,.
The African craton is so impossibly stable, that that portion of Africa has not been covered by seawater since before primates existed, if ever.
The fish bones and clam shells getting tossed about as proof of submersion, like midden material, are just that, scientific throw aways.
Well know and described fresh water forms that were found there during transient wet periods.
The whole thing is an illustration of the intellectual sloppiness of both academia and laypersons.
Both take some things too litterally and yet others too figuratively at the same time over the same concept.
BTW, portions of Timeus are lifted, nearly verbatim, from Homer.
So clearly he is weaving a tale around an ancient root.
But also, while Plato, an Athenian, lived Athens was at war with Sparta and their Theran allies, and they had subjugated Athens for a while.
So, if you look at the really broad picture of the med basin, western europe, north Africa and the Levant, the Minoans are the link that ties it all together, and Minoans bases at Akrotiri
originally posted by: LABTECH767
originally posted by: Flavian
originally posted by: LABTECH767
Remember while we today accept that the pillars of Heracles are the straights of Gibraltar (the story of Cilla and Charybdis may hearken back to even longer to a time when the isthmus of Gibraltar broke and the sea flooded into the Mediterranean basin with the whirlpool and the gnashing rock's), though it has to be said that the assumption that it refers to the straight's of Gibraltar has often been challenged.
You mean roughly 5.3 million years ago? Before we, as a species, had developed language?
Nothing about Atlantis makes any sense whatsoever, which is why i strongly lean towards it being simple allegory. That isn't to say there wasn't some ancient super power of which we do not know, simply that nothing about Atlantis adds up.
The sites around the Richat structure are certainly interesting but not evidence of Atlantis by any stretch. Without data gathered there, they could be anything at all. Even if old, they could simply be Roman or Mauritanean - could even be pre Jugurtha era.
You know I was actually waiting for someone to bring that matter up when I mentioned it, actually classical geological 'guestimates' place it closer 6 million years ago but of course those are just that 'Guestimates' and they have no real proof as to how long ago the Isthmus (a natural lime stone damn that once spanned the straight's from Europe to Africa) failed, originally though as you know the Mediterranean was probably two low sea's or brackish lakes far below sea level one to the west and one to the east inside of a huge valley, these lake's were once fed by the rivers that flowed into the basin but over all more water evaporated than was deposited by these rivers and there have been innumerable account's of ruin's both under water and also unexplained ruin's on land such as the cart rut's of Malta which may hint at a lost epoch of which we really know nothing at all, some are a bit more outlandish though (I am not however denying the potential for them to be truth) such as claim's of an island near to the straight's that has supposedly a wall of baalbeck sized stone's (the big one's that form the platform according to the story the stones in the wall are about that size) and innumerable far more recent sunken city's from just within the last 2000 years as earthquakes happen quite frequently and the basin itself which is the join between Africa and Europe is - slowly - on the move.
Of course it is possible that the destruction of the Isthmus was far more recent, the violent end of the last ice age for example may have overwhelmed the natural damn which being lime stone was probably already run through with numerous natural caves and as you know when water find's a way it tend's to widen the path it has found.
The site is actually as we know geologically active and given the rate of sinking of the Mediterranean basin under the weight of the water.
You know I remember an old Barometric map which depicted a feature that is now not shown, on that old map which of course may have been wrong on the Mediterranean side of the straight's it showed a circular depression such as may be carved by a whirlpool but it was huge and called on the map an abyssal sump, I have since gone looking for that feature which I read in a reference book in one of our local library's but all the internet map's which of course are more up to date and likely far more accurate do not now show that feature so it could have been an error on that old map, still it intrigued me a lot at that time.
That "guesstimate" is for the re breaching at Gibraltar. The end of the last Ice Age raised sea levels by up to 300 feet in the Mediterranean but the depth there goes to over 900 feet - in other words, it was open at the time. The rising sea level in the Mediterranean though certainly did breach the Golden Horn at the end of the last Ice Age, turning what is now the Black Sea from fresh water lake to sea.
A 300 foot rise could certainly bury things off shore all over the Mediterranean though. Heck, we know of at least 4 lost settlements in the Bay of Naples area since Roman times alone. Atlantis can't have been real - there are far too many discrepancies, some of them major, for it to be based on anything from reality. That though isn't to say that there isn't some ancient lost city waiting to be discovered.
I would also add that both Ouadane and Chinguetti are both World Heritage Sites and have ben studied extensively. They are "ancient" in that they are
roughly a 1'000 years old (maybe slightly older) and originated from the West Saharan Salt Trade, that was once part of the trade network that made
later people like Mansa Musa so rich.
a reply to: Flavian
However I believe it is reasonable to assume that the Zanclean flood may have occurred rather more recently or the re flooding may have been more catastrophic though I do agree this was probably when the Black sea was also flooded on this second flooding of the Mediterranean so I am not disputing your opinion at all.
A sudden sea level rise in the med seem's to have occurred at least in the region of the Aegean sea as recently as 7600 years ago.
www.ecomagazine.com...
But if we go back to the Greek legend of how the Mediterranean began, a dry valley flooded when Heracles pushed apart the rock's.
(At least according to a first century writer)
And if I remember correctly there was a theory the med had been dried and filled again several time's over in geological history.
However I believe it is reasonable to assume that the Zanclean flood may have occurred rather more recently or the re flooding may have been more catastrophic though I do agree this was probably when the Black sea was also flooded on this second flooding of the Mediterranean so I am not disputing your opinion at all.
A sudden sea level rise in the med seem's to have occurred at least in the region of the Aegean sea as recently as 7600 years ago.
www.ecomagazine.com...
But if we go back to the Greek legend of how the Mediterranean began, a dry valley flooded when Heracles pushed apart the rock's.
(At least according to a first century writer)
And if I remember correctly there was a theory the med had been dried and filled again several time's over in geological history.
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a reply to: LABTECH767
Just want to thank you for re introducing the Zanclean flood, something i have not studied for years.
God i love geology!
The thing to remember with the Zanclean flood is that there are Atlantic fish deposits in the pre flood debris / deposits littering the Mediterranean basin, which proves the channel was open pre flood (either that or that old Atlantic fish species could fly!).
Just want to thank you for re introducing the Zanclean flood, something i have not studied for years.
God i love geology!
The thing to remember with the Zanclean flood is that there are Atlantic fish deposits in the pre flood debris / deposits littering the Mediterranean basin, which proves the channel was open pre flood (either that or that old Atlantic fish species could fly!).
originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
originally posted by: SamIamSam
How did this formation come into existence?
i64.tinypic.com...
If you could give me the map coordinates I would be more than happy to look at it. Or a general location.
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21°39'37.3"N 10°34'26.6"W
It's a canal, In convinced. From a time when the region was far more fertile, obviously. In other words, that's a structure that's more than 6 thousand years old! There are other canal-like structures in that area, as well. Take a good close look at that area. Here's more coordinates. Peruse at your leisure.
m.imgur.com...
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edit on 4-6-2019 by SamIamSam because: New link
originally posted by: Guyfriday
originally posted by: Harte
I see.
So Plato, a recognized genius, was ignorant of his own people's theogony, religion, and mythology.
Harte
If the story was told to him in a certain way, then it wouldn't have been his fault. Plato had only a limited description of places given to him by Solon, even his discourse on Attica wasn't all that complete and he lived there (Attica being the old name for the of the territory where Athens currently sits) Another point to add is that Solon had gotten the whole story from the Egyptians and then translated them into Greek. So the story about both Athens and Atlantis was recovered by the Egyptians. This may have contributed to a misunderstanding in words, or it could have been passed down with flourishes added. We don't know for certain, but I doubt Plato tried to mislead anyone with his discussion about this.
Plato knew who and what the Titans were. Plato's King Atlantis wasn't one of them.
There is the matter of Plato clearly explaining the lineage right there in the Dialogue.
Poseidon was an Olympian. They are descendants of the Titans. King Atlas' father was Poseidon.
Atlas the (second generation) Titan's father was Iapetus (first generation Titan.)
Plato includes multiple lines about this. It's not as if it's up in the air.
Harte
edit on 6/4/2019 by Harte because: of the wonderful things he does!
originally posted by: Wolfenz
originally posted by: Harte
originally posted by: Wolfenz
ANCIENT EGYPT IN AMERICA
BY MRS. SCHUYLER VAN RENSSELAER
an Rensselaer, Mrs. Schuyler. "Ancient Egypt in America." The North American Review 218, July 1923.
xroads.virginia.edu...
Perhaps you should read your references before posting them. That article isn't about what you think.
Harte
just keep on assuming,,,
I know what they are talking about ..
Sure.
That's why you linked it in a post about old world contact in antiquity.
Whatever you say.
Just take my advice.
Harte
originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: punkinworks10
atlantipedia.ie...
Leonard is full of it.
His pre-Platonic references to Atlantis are a genealogy of the Titan Atlas (by Hellanikos) and Herodotus calling the people that live in the shadow of Mt. Atlas "Atlantes"
Both usages are completely explained by Greek grammar.
"Atlantis" is a Greek word. It means "of Atlas."
There are no pre-Platonic references to Atlantis (the island/continent/whatever.)
Leonard knows this but makes money from lying about it.
Harte
The dots are connecting!
History, ancient history is extremely fragmented in its record but also in its retelling. No one can really argue the point. Sure, there are going to be disagreement in the re-translation of one passage to another. One language to another, one time to another. We, human beings wrote on papyrus, animal skins, or what ever we had. Unlike the gods themselves, who wrote in stone.
In very simple terms, and at the top of the mystery's are the gods, themselves. Each society in their native tung had a name for their gods, which were virtually the same individual. That would tie some dots together, at the top.
Undoing years of confusion, babble...
onlinelibrary.wiley.com...
www.halexandria.org...
Anu, Cronus is at the top, he is the god over all others. He may have other names. He had two sons, Enki and Enlil. Enki was also called Posidon, and Enlil was called Zeus. For now, only focus on those three.
I'm not going to go into details about each, or their attributes. You can debate that kind of stuff for generations and not get anywhere. As I intended this post to deal with facts, not myth.
Facts, there is a great deal evidence that this region had a very large population in antiquity.
So we have heard what the Greeks, Roman, Egyptians had to say. What about the Gods themselves, what did they say?
Being gods they would not "write" for themselves, they would have servants do the actual writing. Very similar to present day "Boss" having his secretary do the actual work. They were called scribes, and possibly other descriptions as well.
Some may automatically throw the baby out with the bathwater when reading Enkie's accounts. One of the gods themselves tells you the story. It is true a certain author put a certain spin on details within the story, but I'm certain much of the bulk of information must be considered. Must be!
One main point is that Enki himself states "The secrets of Heaven and Earth shall not be shared with mankind. The other main point witch is overlooked is in his re telling of the journeys through the "Crushed Bracelet". Pay attention to this section as he is telling you, indirectly, and quite by accident, the nature of the weapon used against "Atlantis".
I have absolutely little doubt that is what happened.
I will not respond to this subject, unless you have read the "Lost Book Of Enki" You can also call it "The Lost Book of Poseidon" if you wish.
Scholars and theologians alike now recognize that the biblical tales of Creation, of Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, the Deluge, the Tower of Babel, were based on texts written down millennia earlier in Mesopotamia, especially by the Sumerians. And they, in turn, clearly stated that they obtained their knowledge of past events-many from a time before civilizations began, even before Mankind came to be-from the writings of the Anunnaki ("Those Who from Heaven to Earth Came")-the "gods" of antiquity.
History, ancient history is extremely fragmented in its record but also in its retelling. No one can really argue the point. Sure, there are going to be disagreement in the re-translation of one passage to another. One language to another, one time to another. We, human beings wrote on papyrus, animal skins, or what ever we had. Unlike the gods themselves, who wrote in stone.
In very simple terms, and at the top of the mystery's are the gods, themselves. Each society in their native tung had a name for their gods, which were virtually the same individual. That would tie some dots together, at the top.
Undoing years of confusion, babble...
onlinelibrary.wiley.com...
www.halexandria.org...
Anu, Cronus is at the top, he is the god over all others. He may have other names. He had two sons, Enki and Enlil. Enki was also called Posidon, and Enlil was called Zeus. For now, only focus on those three.
I'm not going to go into details about each, or their attributes. You can debate that kind of stuff for generations and not get anywhere. As I intended this post to deal with facts, not myth.
Facts, there is a great deal evidence that this region had a very large population in antiquity.
So we have heard what the Greeks, Roman, Egyptians had to say. What about the Gods themselves, what did they say?
Being gods they would not "write" for themselves, they would have servants do the actual writing. Very similar to present day "Boss" having his secretary do the actual work. They were called scribes, and possibly other descriptions as well.
Some may automatically throw the baby out with the bathwater when reading Enkie's accounts. One of the gods themselves tells you the story. It is true a certain author put a certain spin on details within the story, but I'm certain much of the bulk of information must be considered. Must be!
One main point is that Enki himself states "The secrets of Heaven and Earth shall not be shared with mankind. The other main point witch is overlooked is in his re telling of the journeys through the "Crushed Bracelet". Pay attention to this section as he is telling you, indirectly, and quite by accident, the nature of the weapon used against "Atlantis".
I have absolutely little doubt that is what happened.
I will not respond to this subject, unless you have read the "Lost Book Of Enki" You can also call it "The Lost Book of Poseidon" if you wish.
Scholars and theologians alike now recognize that the biblical tales of Creation, of Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, the Deluge, the Tower of Babel, were based on texts written down millennia earlier in Mesopotamia, especially by the Sumerians. And they, in turn, clearly stated that they obtained their knowledge of past events-many from a time before civilizations began, even before Mankind came to be-from the writings of the Anunnaki ("Those Who from Heaven to Earth Came")-the "gods" of antiquity.
originally posted by: SamIamSam
It's a canal, In convinced. From a time when the region was far more fertile, obviously. In other words, that's a structure that's more than 6 thousand years old! There are other canal-like structures in that area, as well. Take a good close look at that area. Here's more coordinates. Peruse at your leisure.
m.imgur.com...
editby]edit on 4-6-2019 by SamIamSam because: More info
To be a useful a canal it must connect two bodies of water. Obviously the lack of water would keep us from seeing those canals.
But logic would say, if there were one story of a canal being cut, then that opens the possibilities to other canals being cut. And probably were.
This area, if all the accounts are correct, goes back much further than 12,000 years. It may even go back as far as 30 - 40,000 years. Before mankind was even on the scene.
Many things, may have been done.
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a reply to: punkinworks10
What is the name of this community, its history, etc
Who created this road. Where did it go, and what was it used for.
And this one
I'm so glad you will be able to answer these questions.
I agree. It did not "Sink" under the waves, in the traditional manner. But the evidence does suggest certain areas were underwater for a brief period. And it was enough water to wipe clean the targeted areas.
When a Global flood does not "wipe clean" "evidence", what do you do?
Please share the results of those surveys so we can examine them together.
The area is hardly unexplored, surveyed, or described.
What is the name of this community, its history, etc
Who created this road. Where did it go, and what was it used for.
And this one
I'm so glad you will be able to answer these questions.
The geology is well known and there is no possible way the structure can be interpreted as a "sunken island".
I agree. It did not "Sink" under the waves, in the traditional manner. But the evidence does suggest certain areas were underwater for a brief period. And it was enough water to wipe clean the targeted areas.
When a Global flood does not "wipe clean" "evidence", what do you do?
And when I lifted my eyes, there were two divine emissaries standing near me. And they had
the faces of men, and their garments were sparkling like burnished brass. And they called me
by name and spoke to me, saying: You are summoned by the great god the lord Enki. Fear not,
for you are blessed. And we are here to take you aloft, and carry you unto his retreat in the
Land of Magan, on the island amidst the River of Magan, where the sluices are.
And as they spoke, the Whirlwind lifted itself as a fiery chariot and was gone. And they took me
by my hands, each one grasping me by one hand. And they lifted me and carried me swiftly
between the Earth and the heavens, as the eagle soars. And I could see the land and the
waters, and the plains and the mountains. And they let me down on the island at the gateway
of the great god's abode. And the moment they let go of my hands, a brilliance as I had never
seen before engulfed and overwhelmed me, and I collapsed on the ground as though voided of
the spirit of life.
archive.org...
This describes the event at which Enki's scribe is transported to a "Island", in a River, to be deposited at the entrance of Enki's/Poseidon's Abode. In Greek it is Atlantis, in Enki's retelling, it is the Land of Magan. Poseidon does not live in the middle east. He lives on a Island in a river. The scribe did not go into great detail, undoubtedly he did not get the opportunity to study the area in great detail.
Another place discovered. No signs of modern man. Game trails crisscross the landscape. Old ruins with a small segment of road. Maybe fields with
stone walls in area to south. Too numerous to document. 196 miles from the Eye. 18°17'51.95"N 12°21'48.32"W
originally posted by: Blue Shift
originally posted by: Theyy
Atlantis is not even real. Made up by Plato
That's not what he said.
Are you sure? Even Aristotle joked about Plato’s ability to conjure nations out of thin air. No one believed Atlantis existed what they did is see it kind of like Camelot. A mythical place that made us aspire to be better.