Alabama Senate passes nation’s most restrictive abortion ban

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
I see a lot of people arguing that it's ultimately up to the woman to decide. What about the father that helped conceive the child?

It is up to the lawmakers/judges to decide based upon the interpretation of existing constitutional laws.

Lol the same lawmakers you're saying don't have the right to make the very law were discussing???

Make up your mind

a reply to: InTheLight

Bitter reply. So now I see where you are coming from.

Factual reply. No, it has not happened to me. I raised my kids. But I have seen it happen to others.

Doesn't matter though... they're just men. Amirite?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: InTheLight

What makes military personnel so special that they have the legal right to kill? Self-serving reasons.

Uhh people shooting at them and trying to kill them, that's the justification......

What kind of wonky ass logic was that????

Self-serving government justification that sends them to other lands where they will be shot at and must shoot back, don't you mean.

No, it's the same logic that says if my life at any point is threatened I won't hesitate to preserve it......... Whether it's over seas in uniform or standing outside my own house watching the sun set.........

Stop trying to detail because your example was ridiculous

The only reason killing within war is legal is because of the reasoning of defense. When military invade others' lands that is offense not defense.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

What kind of wonky ass logic was that????

The same wonky logic that says you should go sit in the corner and shut up while the women decide things without you.

TheRedneck

Killing is murder, isn't it? With or without justification, isn't it?

Nope..... Not when it's self defense.....

Wrong again.....

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: InTheLight

Bitter reply. So now I see where you are coming from.

Factual reply. No, it has not happened to me. I raised my kids. But I have seen it happen to others.

Doesn't matter though... they're just men. Amirite?

TheRedneck

I raised my kids too and have seen the courts do their due diligence in deciding who are fit parents and who are not. And guess what? They know their stuff.

a reply to: olaru12

Yes in a perfect world.

I can't argue with that; many do manage to away with abandoning children. I just wanted to point out that the burden is on the father as well as the mother in many cases. A different burden to be sure, but a burden nonetheless.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

What kind of wonky ass logic was that????

The same wonky logic that says you should go sit in the corner and shut up while the women decide things without you.

TheRedneck

Killing is murder, isn't it? With or without justification, isn't it?

Nope..... Not when it's self defense.....

Wrong again.....

Going to others' countries and forcing hostilities then claiming self-defense is a ridiculous argument.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Nyiah

Know what else is oppressive? Robbing a human being of the chance at having a full life, and dumping their remains in the refuse bin while you go on about your day

Sounds about the same life a woman might face if she could not have the abortion she wanted.

Did you seriously compare killing a child, to inconvenience????

This is why there can't be honest discussion and debate..... So much of this logic is off in clown world there's just no way to have an intelligent discussion, much less come to any middle ground

a reply to: InTheLight

They also make mistakes.

One of them is called Roe vs. Wade.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

What kind of wonky ass logic was that????

The same wonky logic that says you should go sit in the corner and shut up while the women decide things without you.

TheRedneck

Killing is murder, isn't it? With or without justification, isn't it?

Nope..... Not when it's self defense.....

Wrong again.....

Going to others' countries and forcing hostilities then claiming self-defense is a ridiculous argument.

Just gonna go ahead and ignore the part about always having the right to defend yourself no matter where you are huh?

Couldn't cram that into your narrative so pretend it doesn't exist????

Judging by your last statement comparing killing babies to the inconvenience of motherhood, I'm not surprised

You should really change your avatar name.... There's nothing "InTheLight" about murdering innocents

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Nyiah

Know what else is oppressive? Robbing a human being of the chance at having a full life, and dumping their remains in the refuse bin while you go on about your day

Sounds about the same life a woman might face if she could not have the abortion she wanted.

Did you seriously compare killing a child, to inconvenience????

This is why there can't be honest discussion and debate..... So much of this logic is off in clown world there's just no way to have an intelligent discussion, much less come to any middle ground

I didn't say that.

You say killing a child, while others say that mass of cells is not a child.

So you are right there can never be an intelligent discussion when there is such a divide.

So we are all part of this clown world bouncing off the walls.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: InTheLight

So what if 2 people had consensual sex but the female decided she didn't want the child. Is it still her body, her choice?

Turn it around...

What if the father doesn't want the child and demands an abortion...Becuse he doesn't want a crying brat cramping his style or pay child support.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

What kind of wonky ass logic was that????

The same wonky logic that says you should go sit in the corner and shut up while the women decide things without you.

TheRedneck

Killing is murder, isn't it? With or without justification, isn't it?

Nope..... Not when it's self defense.....

Wrong again.....

Going to others' countries and forcing hostilities then claiming self-defense is a ridiculous argument.

Just gonna go ahead and ignore the part about always having the right to defend yourself no matter where you are huh?

Couldn't cram that into your narrative so pretend it doesn't exist????

Judging by your last statement comparing killing babies to the inconvenience of motherhood, I'm not surprised

You should really change your avatar name.... There's nothing "InTheLight" about murdering innocents

You lost that one...so here come the insults.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Now days they are just as likely to be flying drones and killing innocent children or dropping depleted uranium bombs and maiming children that aren't even conceived yet.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: InTheLight

They also make mistakes.

One of them is called Roe vs. Wade.

TheRedneck

Right or wrong, it's all one's personal perception.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: InTheLight

So what if 2 people had consensual sex but the female decided she didn't want the child. Is it still her body, her choice?

Turn it around...

What if the father doesn't want the child and demands an abortion...Becuse he doesn't want a crying brat cramping his style or pay child support.

I don't he should have that right, just like I don't think the mother has the right to abort the child if the father wants to keep it.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Well we are gonna have a lot more of that If they actually start forcind children to have children!!!

a reply to: InTheLight

Right or wrong, it's all one's personal perception.

Yes, it is. Some think all the unborn are just a clump of cells that magically becomes a human life when it exits the birth canal, while others think it changes in a much more continuous fashion. Personally, I think the former is a bit unrealistic and unscientific.

TheRedneck

These abortion threads are all the same.

At the end of the day what can be said about women taking personal responsibility to not get pregnant can be said for the man involved. The old saying goes "it takes two to tango".

Everything just comes full circle in the abortion debate.

Why didn't she practice abstinence?
Ok, why didn't the man?

Why didn't she use protection?
Ok, why didn't the man?

Why doesn't she seek to put the child up for adoption?
Ok, why doesn't the man want the child?

A lot of the arguments are fully put on the women in these situations, like they were the ones who got pregnant and the father just washes their hands of the ordeal. I believe it's called victim blaming.
Either way women will still seek abortions illegally. Or go elsewhere, and all this will do is clog up the system, and cause more problems.

Why not just be more strict laws on the process instead of out right banning it, like most normal places in the developed world. But I think giving women the choice without severe consequences is a lot better than taking it away and giving severe consequences.
People make mistakes, and people make poor decisions all the time, but putting the blame just on women in this situation is extremely closed minded.

a reply to: olaru12

Some men won't wear them and they won't take no for
an answer. Mind you,these things all happened during
the 70's.