Pompeo to UK: Don't use Huawei or you will lose sharing of intel!

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: pexx421
To add, who was it that tapped the phone of Angela merkel? Who is known for spying on their own people as well as the uk and people in other nations? That was the us, not China.

And Obama should suffer for that.

But if war breaks out, it will not be the US attacking the UK.

The US has spied on allies since the early 60s at least under Echelon, plus sold guns and explosives to the IRA since the 70s.

a reply to: pexx421

You would be as stupid as the US was to save Europe from Germany. The world with China as it's master is not a place you would enjoy living.

a reply to: bastion

Which has literally nothing to do with my post. China's goal is world domination. They do not share the values of Europe, they are not a friend. The US has done a lot of terrible things, much like brothers will do terrible things to each other sometimes. At the end of the day they stand together. Good luck living in your world where China forces it's will on you.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: pexx421

You would be as stupid as the US was to save Europe from Germany. The world with China as it's master is not a place you would enjoy living.

That's not entirely correct, if it wasn't for the Russians on the Eastern front, then regardless of US involvement, we'd possibly all have Nazi masters by now.

This stuff and nothing to do with the OP

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Either Russia or the US would have tipped the balance. If not for the US then most of Europe would have fallen under Russian control as they "liberated" you. The fact remains war with China is looming, and denying them intel is a smart move. If war does break out, not taking sides and hoping the US wins on it's own would be a really stupid idea. As bad as the US has been at times, you would beg for the worst version of the US over the best version of China as your master.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Either Russia or the US would have tipped the balance. If not for the US then most of Europe would have fallen under Russian control as they "liberated" you. The fact remains war with China is looming, and denying them intel is a smart move. If war does break out, not taking sides and hoping the US wins on it's own would be a really stupid idea. As bad as the US has been at times, you would beg for the worst version of the US over the best version of China as your master.

You create your own reality or what?

Yeah, a police state world with privatized prisons, a worship for the dollar over human life, all while everyone scrapes for scraps under an empire that basically does what it wants with absolutely no transparency, that would be just great

I thought this would be a thread for us tech nerds but partisan jackasses from both sides have hijacked it.
What a waste of server resources.
On topic, imagine having Chinese having access and control of your 5g infrastructure, its more than just spying. As much as I loath this US admin and Trump I understand and support this move.
I suggest some of you read up about 5g and what changes it will bring and then think about having the authitorian Chinese state manage infrastructure of US or European country

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

The US has forced all that on you? Wow what country do you live in?

a reply to: XCrycek

Exactly. Only someone who loves China and wants them to rule the world would be for this.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

The US has forced all that on you? Wow what country do you live in?

A country that last time checked was still free of US rule

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

The US has forced all that on you? Wow what country do you live in?

A country that last time checked was still free of US rule

Let's not pretend that Chinese are some peace loving unicorns who would plant flowers around the world if they were in same position as USA. Every superpower strives to dominate the world. That's how we are as species

originally posted by: XCrycek

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

The US has forced all that on you? Wow what country do you live in?

A country that last time checked was still free of US rule

Let's not pretend that Chinese are some peace loving unicorns who would plant flowers around the world if they were in same position as USA. Every superpower strives to dominate the world. That's how we are as species

No mate, that's how you are

Ah, so you think Europe joining a war on the side of the us would lead to them being on the better and winning side. Obviously you didn’t think this through. Let’s hope the European powers realize what you don’t. If Europe allows itself to be drawn onto either side of the us led war for global domination against China and Russia, it will be left a radioactive wasteland. And most of them know it. It will be the primary battlefield as it was during ww2, and there will be no rebuilding afterwards. Assuming the rest of the world even survives.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: pexx421

You would be as stupid as the US was to save Europe from Germany. The world with China as it's master is not a place you would enjoy living.

That's quite scary. You actually think the U.S. saved Europe?

That was Russia. The war was done pretty much by the time the U.S. arrived. It's only real interest was Japan, of which it had been blockading, which is why Japan entered the war in the first place.

However I think all Europeans are grateful to the American service personel that helped.

But to say the U.S. saved anyone or won the war is disingenuous at best and highly insulting at worst.

So let’s think this through. Y’all are worried about the idea of what happens if Europe’s using huawei and war breaks out. I think the cell phone technology will be the least of the worries in that situation. In such a scenario there will likely be near instant nuclear exchange and you will have little time to worry about information compromise.

Now, when deliberating which superpower you’re more concerned about abusing your info let’s peruse recent behavior patterns in foreign affairs.

The us attempts to force its “partners” into uneven trade treaties which are one sided, pushing their partners into subjugation and limiting their ability to become competitors. They force South America, the Mideast and Africa into sweat shop economies or formats that extract those nations resources to us or western owned corporations. And they engage in overthrowing democratically elected governments and installing dictators who will enforce poverty and oppression upon their own people in exchange for a slice of the nation’s profits.

China, on the other hand, is building roads and infrastructure across Asia, Africa, South America, with much more humane and mutually beneficial models. Building the new Silk Road initiative which everyone but the us fully embrace as it promises economic opportunities for all the nations concerned, and they do this without twisting nation’s arms, threatening them, or using sanctions to force the people of those nations to bleed until they cry out for mercy ala the current us mo.

Sorry, but On the current world stage the Chinese model is much more equal and egalitarian with much less destruction and loss of life than the model the us is practicing via venezuela, afghan, Iraq, Libya, Cuba, etc.

I personally don’t think it’s a matter of Russia, USA, and China fighting for global supremacy. The way y’all fear and depict. I believe it’s the USA fighting for global supremacy and subjugation, while China and Russia are working towards a multipolar world. And for Russia also they are fighting the constant existential threat the us creates for them.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: pexx421

You would be as stupid as the US was to save Europe from Germany. The world with China as it's master is not a place you would enjoy living.

That's quite scary. You actually think the U.S. saved Europe?

That was Russia. The war was done pretty much by the time the U.S. arrived. It's only real interest was Japan, of which it had been blockading, which is why Japan entered the war in the first place.

However I think all Europeans are grateful to the American service personel that helped.

But to say the U.S. saved anyone or won the war is disingenuous at best and highly insulting at worst.

Pretty much all Americans labor under the delusion that the world was almost destroyed, and then the us swooped in with a red cape and a big S on its chest and saved Europe, just in the nick of time. And got the girl.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: pexx421

You would be as stupid as the US was to save Europe from Germany. The world with China as it's master is not a place you would enjoy living.

That's quite scary. You actually think the U.S. saved Europe?

That was Russia. The war was done pretty much by the time the U.S. arrived. It's only real interest was Japan, of which it had been blockading, which is why Japan entered the war in the first place.

However I think all Europeans are grateful to the American service personel that helped.

But to say the U.S. saved anyone or won the war is disingenuous at best and highly insulting at worst.

America saved Europe from being under the control of Russia. If America never arrived, what would have stopped Russia from marching across Europe to "liberate" it? The only thing scary is your ignorance.

a reply to: pexx421

Ask China's neighbors, who have recently had land literally stolen from them, about China wanting a multipolar world of just trade.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: pexx421

Ask China's neighbors, who have recently had land literally stolen from them, about China wanting a multipolar world of just trade.

Or I can listen to yanis varoufakis of Greece or others in Africa, Brazil, etc what their experiences have been in their trade deals with China. Which I have.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: pexx421

You would be as stupid as the US was to save Europe from Germany. The world with China as it's master is not a place you would enjoy living.

That's quite scary. You actually think the U.S. saved Europe?

That was Russia. The war was done pretty much by the time the U.S. arrived. It's only real interest was Japan, of which it had been blockading, which is why Japan entered the war in the first place.

However I think all Europeans are grateful to the American service personel that helped.

But to say the U.S. saved anyone or won the war is disingenuous at best and highly insulting at worst.

America saved Europe from being under the control of Russia. If America never arrived, what would have stopped Russia from marching across Europe to "liberate" it? The only thing scary is your ignorance.

Ah, a nice made up scenario for me to worry about with no support from reality. Any other made up fears you’d like to spread? Like Russia and China invading Europe? Like they’ve invaded so many folks in the last 50 years?